Genesis, sons of God, nephilim, and Giants

[TheDivineWatermark]

"and He did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, one of eight, having brought the flood upon the world of the ungodly" 2 Peter 2:5 [blb] (like Gen6:5-7 says). Elsewhere stating that they were "disobedient" (they disregarded God's word via Noah and the building of the ark -- https://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/3-20.htm "having disobeyed" rather ).


spirits in prison... but they were "men" WHEN they were preached unto

 

[cv5]

2 Peter 2 term: ἀγγέλων (angelōn)

Here it is folks. Please no shoehorning or arm twisting lol.

ἀγγέλων (angelōn) — 31 Occurrences
Matthew 16:27 N-GMP
GRK: μετὰ τῶν ἀγγέλων αὐτοῦ καὶ
NAS: of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN
KJV: with his angels; and then
INT: with the angels of him and
Matthew 26:53 N-GMP
GRK: δώδεκα λεγιῶνας ἀγγέλων
NAS: than twelve legions of angels?
KJV: twelve legions of angels?
INT: twelve legions of angels
Mark 8:38 N-GMP
GRK: μετὰ τῶν ἀγγέλων τῶν ἁγίων
NAS: of His Father with the holy angels.
KJV: with the holy angels.
INT: with the angels holy
Luke 7:24 N-GMP
GRK: δὲ τῶν ἀγγέλων Ἰωάννου ἤρξατο
NAS: When the messengers of John had left,
KJV: And when the messengers of John
INT: moreover the messengers of John he began
Luke 9:26 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἁγίων ἀγγέλων
NAS: and of the holy angels.
KJV: and of the holy angels.
INT: of the holy angels
Luke 12:8 N-GMP
GRK: ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀγγέλων τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: him also before the angels of God;
KJV: confess before the angels of God:
INT: before the angels of God
Luke 12:9 N-GMP
GRK: ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀγγέλων τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: before the angels of God.
KJV: before the angels of God.
INT: before the angels of God
Luke 15:10 N-GMP
GRK: ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀγγέλων τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: in the presence of the angels of God
KJV: in the presence of the angels of God
INT: before the angels of God
Luke 16:22 N-GMP
GRK: ὑπὸ τῶν ἀγγέλων εἰς τὸν
NAS: and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's
KJV: by the angels into
INT: by the angels into the
Luke 24:23 N-GMP
GRK: καὶ ὀπτασίαν ἀγγέλων ἑωρακέναι οἳ
NAS: seen a vision of angels who said
KJV: seen a vision of angels, which said
INT: also a vision of angels to have seen who

 

[CS1]

I disagree on every point. The exegesis of 1 Peter 3 is unmistakeable. The term "spirits" is beyond equivocation. The link to total destruction of the age of Noah is beyond refutation. There is never any mention of "men" in an otherworldly "prison" anywhere in Scripture.

However this specific judgment is confirmed in…… 2 Peter 2:

The theme is perfectly clear: sexual sins committed by fallen angels now amplified by the warnings against similar sexual excesses and sins of like nature that God judged on the earth post flood. Its all here people. No wiggle room.

"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell (prison) and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.

I see you did not answer thr following points therefore it is not exegesis because you use one verse from gen 6 and one verse from 1pet 3 to build and narrtitive that is not there. You have to change the authorial intent to make your sex withangels work and remove the remaining verses of both chapters LOL No sir that is not exegesis that is what is known as Allergorizing and is more
Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text.

 

[cv5]

Angels. Certainly.

1 Peter 3:22 N-GMP
GRK: ὑποταγέντων αὐτῷ ἀγγέλων καὶ ἐξουσιῶν
NAS: into heaven, after angels and authorities
KJV: of God; angels and
INT: having been subjected to him angels and authorities

2 Peter 2:4 N-GMP
GRK: ὁ θεὸς ἀγγέλων ἁμαρτησάντων οὐκ
NAS: did not spare angels when they sinned,
KJV: spared not the angels that sinned, but
INT: God [the] angels having sinned not

Revelation 3:5 N-GMP
GRK: ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀγγέλων αὐτοῦ
NAS: My Father and before His angels.
KJV: before his angels.
INT: before the angels of him

Revelation 5:11 N-GMP
GRK: ἤκουσα φωνὴν ἀγγέλων πολλῶν κύκλῳ
NAS: of many angels around
KJV: of many angels round about
INT: I heard [the] voice of angels many around

Revelation 8:13 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν τριῶν ἀγγέλων τῶν μελλόντων
NAS: of the three angels who are about
KJV: heard an angel flying through
INT: of the three angels who [are] about

Revelation 14:10 N-GMP
GRK: θείῳ ἐνώπιον ἀγγέλων ἁγίων καὶ
NAS: of the holy angels and in the presence
KJV: of the holy angels, and
INT: brimstone before angels holy and

Revelation 15:8 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων
NAS: of the seven angels were finished.
KJV: of the seven angels were fulfilled.
INT: of the seven angels

Revelation 17:1 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων τῶν ἐχόντων
NAS: of the seven angels who had
KJV: of the seven angels which had
INT: the seven angels of those having

Revelation 21:9 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων τῶν ἐχόντων
NAS: of the seven angels who had
KJV: one of the seven angels which had
INT: the seven angels which had

 

[CS1]

2 Peter 2 term: ἀγγέλων (angelōn)

Here it is folks. Please no shoehorning or arm twisting lol.

ἀγγέλων (angelōn) — 31 Occurrences
Matthew 16:27 N-GMP
GRK: μετὰ τῶν ἀγγέλων αὐτοῦ καὶ
NAS: of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN
KJV: with his angels; and then
INT: with the angels of him and
Matthew 26:53 N-GMP
GRK: δώδεκα λεγιῶνας ἀγγέλων
NAS: than twelve legions of angels?
KJV: twelve legions of angels?
INT: twelve legions of angels
Mark 8:38 N-GMP
GRK: μετὰ τῶν ἀγγέλων τῶν ἁγίων
NAS: of His Father with the holy angels.
KJV: with the holy angels.
INT: with the angels holy
Luke 7:24 N-GMP
GRK: δὲ τῶν ἀγγέλων Ἰωάννου ἤρξατο
NAS: When the messengers of John had left,
KJV: And when the messengers of John
INT: moreover the messengers of John he began
Luke 9:26 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἁγίων ἀγγέλων
NAS: and of the holy angels.
KJV: and of the holy angels.
INT: of the holy angels
Luke 12:8 N-GMP
GRK: ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀγγέλων τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: him also before the angels of God;
KJV: confess before the angels of God:
INT: before the angels of God
Luke 12:9 N-GMP
GRK: ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀγγέλων τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: before the angels of God.
KJV: before the angels of God.
INT: before the angels of God
Luke 15:10 N-GMP
GRK: ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀγγέλων τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: in the presence of the angels of God
KJV: in the presence of the angels of God
INT: before the angels of God
Luke 16:22 N-GMP
GRK: ὑπὸ τῶν ἀγγέλων εἰς τὸν
NAS: and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's
KJV: by the angels into
INT: by the angels into the
Luke 24:23 N-GMP
GRK: καὶ ὀπτασίαν ἀγγέλων ἑωρακέναι οἳ
NAS: seen a vision of angels who said
KJV: seen a vision of angels, which said
INT: also a vision of angels to have seen who

LOl wow we found more then one time where the term angel is used 201 times in the KJV. all have a context to how they are used.
Matthew 16: 27 has nothing to do with Luke 16:22 and none of them have any context to 1pet 3 or gen 6 .

 

[cv5]

"and He did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, one of eight, having brought the flood upon the world of the ungodly" 2 Peter 2:5 [blb] (like Gen6:5-7 says). Elsewhere stating that they were "disobedient" (they disregarded God's word via Noah and the building of the ark -- https://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/3-20.htm "having disobeyed" rather ).


spirits in prison... but they were "men" WHEN they were preached unto

Absolutely not. The text definitely does not allow for that. They are "Angels"....distinct from men.

BTW....there is not way that God is using the term "angel" in 2 Peter 2 for the souls of men in place of punishment. The term must mean fallen angel and nothing else.

Men elevated to angel status have been SAVED......NOT IMPRISIONED.

 

[cv5]

LOl wow we found more then one time where the term angel is used 201 times in the KJV. all have a context to how they are used.
Matthew 16: 27 has nothing to do with Luke 16:22 and none of them have any context to 1pet 3 or gen 6 .

Doesn't matter. The vast, overwhelming scope is non-human angel. And the term in 2 Peter 2 means exactly what it says and is clearly correlated to 1 Peter and Gen 6.

Call this a wrap. Over and out. Regards.

 

[CS1]

Angels. Certainly.

1 Peter 3:22 N-GMP
GRK: ὑποταγέντων αὐτῷ ἀγγέλων καὶ ἐξουσιῶν
NAS: into heaven, after angels and authorities
KJV: of God; angels and
INT: having been subjected to him angels and authorities

2 Peter 2:4 N-GMP
GRK: ὁ θεὸς ἀγγέλων ἁμαρτησάντων οὐκ
NAS: did not spare angels when they sinned,
KJV: spared not the angels that sinned, but
INT: God [the] angels having sinned not

Revelation 3:5 N-GMP
GRK: ἐνώπιον τῶν ἀγγέλων αὐτοῦ
NAS: My Father and before His angels.
KJV: before his angels.
INT: before the angels of him

Revelation 5:11 N-GMP
GRK: ἤκουσα φωνὴν ἀγγέλων πολλῶν κύκλῳ
NAS: of many angels around
KJV: of many angels round about
INT: I heard [the] voice of angels many around

Revelation 8:13 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν τριῶν ἀγγέλων τῶν μελλόντων
NAS: of the three angels who are about
KJV: heard an angel flying through
INT: of the three angels who [are] about

Revelation 14:10 N-GMP
GRK: θείῳ ἐνώπιον ἀγγέλων ἁγίων καὶ
NAS: of the holy angels and in the presence
KJV: of the holy angels, and
INT: brimstone before angels holy and

Revelation 15:8 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων
NAS: of the seven angels were finished.
KJV: of the seven angels were fulfilled.
INT: of the seven angels

Revelation 17:1 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων τῶν ἐχόντων
NAS: of the seven angels who had
KJV: of the seven angels which had
INT: the seven angels of those having

Revelation 21:9 N-GMP
GRK: τῶν ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλων τῶν ἐχόντων
NAS: of the seven angels who had
KJV: one of the seven angels which had
INT: the seven angels which had

Oh more scripture where the word angel is used. Yet they have nothing to do with angels having sex with women nor are they parellal in context to 1pet chp.3

 

[CS1]

Doesn't matter. The vast, overwhelming scope is non-human angel. And the term in 2 Peter 2 means exactly what it says and is clearly correlated to 1 Peter and Gen 6.

Call this a wrap. Over and out. Regards.

lol hahaha wrong

 

[cv5]

Oh more scripture where the word angel is used. Yet they have nothing to do with angels having sex with women nor are they parellal in context to 1pet chp.3

The term used in 2 Peter 2 is angelōn.
Men in a state of Gods punishment are not angels. Every. Not anywhere.

OK, now that this matter is cleared up.....next?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Job 40:13 [bsb] [God speaking to Job in this section] -

"Bury them together in the dust; imprison them in the grave."


[this doesn't mean I think every passage about "prison" is necessarily "the grave"... or "in the dust" (of the burial-grounds, or the like)]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Absolutely not. The text definitely does not allow for that. They are "Angels"....distinct from men.

BTW....there is not way that God is using the term "angel" in 2 Peter 2 for the souls of men in place of punishment. The term must mean fallen angel and nothing else.

Men elevated to angel status have been SAVED......NOT IMPRISIONED.

What?! (read my Post #206 again )

[re: your reference to 2 Peter...]


4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell, delivering them in chains to be held in gloomy darkness until their judgment;
5 if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;
6 if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction, reducing them to ashes as an example of what is coming on the ungodly;
7and if He rescued Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless
8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

10 Such punishment is specially reserved for those who indulge the corrupt desires of the flesh and despise authority.


THREE EXAMPLES (in FOUR STATEMENTS) he lists here (not merely one)

 

[CS1]

The term used in 2 Peter 2 is angelōn.
Men in a state of Gods punishment are not angels. Every. Not anywhere.

OK, now that this matter is cleared up.....next?

so again you are now using 2pet 2 to make the idea of sex with angels to work? Now what is cleared up? because nothing of what you have provided proves angels had sex with women in gen 6.

 

[CS1]

The term used in 2 Peter 2 is angelōn.
Men in a state of Gods punishment are not angels. Every. Not anywhere.

OK, now that this matter is cleared up.....next?

are you now doing a topic change on this thread ? because you have not proven sex with angel thing yet. At least not Biblically.

 

[cv5]

What?! (read my Post #2__ again)

[re: your reference to 2 Peter...]


4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell, delivering them in chains to be held in gloomy darkness until their judgment;
5 if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;
6 if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction, reducing them to ashes as an example of what is coming on the ungodly;
7and if He rescued Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless
8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

10 Such punishment is specially reserved for those who indulge the corrupt desires of the flesh and despise authority.

Your point being? Than the term Angels is never used in conjuction with men who are judged?

Totally agree!

That men are to abstain from sexual sins of the type in Genesis 6 and S&G?

Totally agree!

 

[cv5]

Job 40:13 [bsb] [God speaking to Job in this section] -

"Bury them together in the dust; imprison them in the grave."


[this doesn't mean I think every passage about "prison" is necessarily "the grave"... or "in the dust" (of the burial-grounds, or the like)]

There are no conversations occurring there. There are plenty of conversation occurring in the Abyss however.....

Luke 8:31 And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go ...
And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. ... And
they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss. ...
//biblehub.com/luke/8-31.htm - 17k



Revelation 9:2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like ...
When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace.
The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/9-2.htm - 19k



Revelation 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the ...
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from
the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/11-7.htm - 19k



Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven ...
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to
the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/20-1.htm - 18k



Revelation 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss ...
They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew
is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer). ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/9-11.htm - 18k



Revelation 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed ...
He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from
deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/20-3.htm - 20k



Revelation 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not ...
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out
of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/17-8.htm - 22k



Romans 10:7 "or 'Who will descend into the deep?'" (that is, to ...
... or “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). ...
//biblehub.com/romans/10-7.htm - 17k



Revelation 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a ...
... to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. ... heaven to
earth. The key to the shaft of the abyss was given to him. ...​

​

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Your point being? Than the term Angels is never used in conjuction with men who are judged?

Totally agree!

That men are to abstain from sexual sins of the type in Genesis 6 and S&G?

Totally agree!

What do you imagine that the phrase "dwelling among them" means in the following verse (I had put)? :

"8 (for that righteous man, living among them [enkatoikōn - G1460] day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—"



You are missing most of the idea being conveyed in the passage I supplied.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

There are no conversations occurring there. There are plenty of conversation occurring in the Abyss however.....

Luke 8:31 And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go ...
And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. ... And
they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss. ...
//biblehub.com/luke/8-31.htm - 17k



Revelation 9:2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like ...
When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace.
The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/9-2.htm - 19k



Revelation 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the ...
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from
the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/11-7.htm - 19k



Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven ...
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to
the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/20-1.htm - 18k



Revelation 9:11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss ...
They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew
is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer). ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/9-11.htm - 18k



Revelation 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed ...
He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from
deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/20-3.htm - 20k



Revelation 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not ...
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out
of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants ...
//biblehub.com/revelation/17-8.htm - 22k



Romans 10:7 "or 'Who will descend into the deep?'" (that is, to ...
... or “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). ...
//biblehub.com/romans/10-7.htm - 17k



Revelation 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a ...
... to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. ... heaven to
earth. The key to the shaft of the abyss was given to him. ...​

​

Nope. The MESSAGE to them came BEFORE they were "imprisoned"... (read again my post #206, more carefully!), which "having disobeyed," they were taken away in judgment [DIED IN THE FLOOD] (and still to have the final sentence/judgment carried out at the GWTj).

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

EDIT ^ : Nope. The MESSAGE to them came BEFORE they were "imprisoned"... (read again my post #206, more carefully!), which "having disobeyed" (speaking specifically of the ppl at time of FLOOD), they were taken away in judgment [DIED IN THE FLOOD] (and still to have the final sentence/judgment carried out at the GWTj).

 

[cv5]

BTW....there is zero Scriptural evidence indicating that there is anyone other than fallen angels in the abyss. Men are never mention to be in the abyss.