Genesis, sons of God, nephilim, and Giants

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There was a specific sin that led to the global destruction of the world by the Flood.


Yes the spiritual seed Christ was in jeopardy having not yet come to fullfilment in respect to the genealogy of the generation of Christ. Mathew 1:1.

Sons of god as those led by the Spirit of Christ were being unevenly yoked with the daughters of men (unbelievers). God started over with Noah and His family.

Today to be unevenly yoked caries a different reason now that the genealogy of has been fulfilled with the birth of Jesus.
 
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I believe you arent getting that the fallen angels want to reproduce via sexual reproduction and influence humans in the wrong way to do this so they can get into their bodies.

This is how the devils seed multiplies.
Lying spirits have no form or DNA as a seed to multiply.

If the father of lies as the god of this world had the ability in his own self to take on form .He would not of put his words on the lips of a creature to destroy the faith principle (God has no form)

All of fallen mankind are typified as having the father of lies, as the spirit that men are born with. As soon as they are born they go forth telling as their lying nature . A man must be born again typified by Noah. Jesus said...marvel not.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 

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Stumbled across this guy's video. I don't know much about him, or his other beliefs, but man, is this a great explanation on this issue.

It has even caused me to rethink the hybrid aspect of the Fallen angel - human women mating:

In the video at 16:21, the narrator says that the gods of Psalm 82:6,7 were "not men" in his attempt to prove that the gods - children of the most High are "heavenly beings". That couldn't be true because God calls these gods to repentance: How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
Would God waste these words on unredeemable demons? Jesus quoted this to the Jews (John 10:34,35). Was He calling those who wanted to stone Him "heavenly beings"? Of course not. The Jews were wicked men, just like the children of the most High in Psalm 82. Jesus called the Jews to repent; He never called demons to stop judging unjustly & start delivering the needy from the hand of the wicked. Fallen angels will never repent.
 

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^ Sorry, I meant the second word (for "day"... lol)… and then, say, the other word I pointed out in same Job 1 verse as it might be found/used in Genesis. All I'm asking is whether you believe there's any way at all to discover whether or not those would have originally been the same word (in both places [Job/Genesis for comparing], where originally written) or if there is no way possible.

I'm not sure if I'm conveying my question as to your understanding regarding this (point), or not. If not, simply disregard this, and I'll continue pondering... thanks. :)



P.S. the computer belonging to the person I had borrowed from, to use, crashed and burned last time I attempted opening an innocent-looking link at one of these discussion boards. I can't afford to replace any more... :D


I apologize for not responding until now I have been busy and have not had time and may also be today and tomorrow.

From what I see in your post it makes me wonder if your questions are in regard to comments I have made in other threads about Yom/Yowm, toledot or toledoth(endings vrs. beginnings) and aeon/age/generation?

I am part Hebrew but also Iberian(Spanish,French,German ect.) I was unaware of this until some of my family members worked on our genealogy but have always been Christian by faith. Anyway I do not consider myself as any type Hebrew or Greek expert,lol

To me it is apparent that that the Jewish people always saw yom/yowm in aspect to the generations of the heavens and the earth(Genesis 2:4) and to them this is not 2019 but since they adhere to a type of millennial day theory to them it is 5779 and they are counting off the 7 days as 1000 years each.

The apostolic Church fathers and others up to around 300ad did also Papias,Irenaeus,Barnabas ect. and so to me I see Jesus statement of "generation shall not pass" as "age/generation" as an answer to the question in Matthew 24:3(answer to the direct question they ask). I understand that in many's mind a generation is used to mean "the 50's,the 60's the 70's ect." but to me its important to see the meaning that a Jewish person(speaking to Jesus) would have used it so end of age is end of generation or one of the days of the generations of the heavens and the earth(toledot/toledoth,Gen.2:4 ect.)

I understand you are uncomfortable opening links and so I wont give any but suggest you look up toledot mystery, millennial day theory, ect. as I mentioned in my post and consider how a Jew in ad 30's would have seen it's meaning. I will be busy again today but did not want you to think I was being rude by not responding.
 

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By possessing human men, or somehow creating sexual organs and sperm by themselves?
Possession. Why did you think I meant the other...? Strange. Didnt the whole thing begin with the serpent with his seed, and eves seed being at emnity with each other. Or why does the Bible talk about the devil having seed.

The flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh and these are contrary to each other...
I was not saying anything about DNA at all. The devil tries to corrupt human DNA via sexual immorality. Do you know how sexual reproduction works. Its is different from asexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction involves mixing of DNA, asexual reproduction does not. Every product of asexual reproduction is like a clone of the parent. This is why when you have children they all turn out different from each other and mixture of both parents, in asexual reproduction, the children are perfectly like their parents. Was Jesus born by sexual reproduction....well no! Mary was with child by the holy ghost! She didnt even know Joseph. And Jesus turned out just like his Father in heaven.
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The false prophet and the beast work in tandem with each other to corrupt humans. Also see revelation 12
There is war on the saints.

One of the biggest sins is fornication, why is this so bad, its because the generations that come from it are not as how God wants them to be. Why did the sons of God see the daughters of men that they were fair, and took wives of all that they chose.

Note they took wives of all that they chose. They were basing this on what. Lust? Why was Noah perfect in his generations? I dont know the answer to all of that, but there is something in about mixing of genes, and why revelation says the 144,000 that were virgins and had not defiled themselves with women.
 

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Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6:1‭-‬4 NASB

This has always been a bit confusing to me. Who is the sons of God, and what relationship is the nephilim or Giants to the men of renoun?
they were men . nephilim means mighty men of war.
 

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they were men . nephilim means mighty men of war.
Not according to the Book of Enoch, Jubilees, and Josephus as well as many Jewish sages and commentators.

IMO they were certainly fallen angel and human hybrids. The other theories do not hold up under scrutiny, and are relatively recent interpretations.
 

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Just listen to yourself. When the angels fell and became demons they are still spirits. Why would scripture still refer to them as sons of God. When they rebelled, they gave up that identity. Flesh and spirits can't mix. Besides, God wouldn't let them. They must still operate within the boundaries set by God. :cool:
Flesh and spirits DO mix. As the NT phenomenon of casting them out clearly portrays.
 
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Possession. Why did you think I meant the other...? Strange. Didnt the whole thing begin with the serpent with his seed, and eves seed being at enmity with each other. Or why does the Bible talk about the devil having seed.
I see the end of the mater a little differently. Yes, the seed is the lying spirt of the father of lies the god of this world.

The flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh and these are contrary to each other...
I was not saying anything about DNA at all. The devil tries to corrupt human DNA via sexual immorality. Do you know how sexual reproduction works. Its is different from asexual reproduction. Sexual reproduction involves mixing of DNA, asexual reproduction does not. Every product of asexual reproduction is like a clone of the parent. This is why when you have children they all turn out different from each other and mixture of both parents, in asexual reproduction, the children are perfectly like their parents. Was Jesus born by sexual reproduction....well no! Mary was with child by the holy ghost! She didnt even know Joseph. And Jesus turned out just like his Father in heaven.
I would agree the devil tries to corrupt human DNA via sexual immorality. And in the case of Genesis 6 the sexual immorality caused by being unevenly yoked .Sons of God as those led by the Spirit of God mixing the spiritual seed Christ, with the daughters of men those who have no faith.

The false prophet and the beast work in tandem with each other to corrupt humans. Also see revelation 12
There is war on the saints.
A good example in shown in Mathew 16 :22-23 When Peter man as a beast of the field (created from the dust of the field ) was used as a another Christ (antichrist) Forbidding the son of man from finishing the work he came to do. In the end offending the unseen things of God by those things seen of men. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man when he denied Christ . Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of Christ( not seen) is not forgivable.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew16:22-23

One of the biggest sins is fornication, why is this so bad, its because the generations that come from it are not as how God wants them to be. Why did the sons of God see the daughters of men that they were fair, and took wives of all that they chose.
First and foremost when those who did refuse to not be unevenly yoked . They fornicated against Christ our husband Violating the 1st commandment to have no other gods before Him, again choosing the god of this world, Satan, to do his will, as did Peter . whenever mankind sin it is first and foremost against the things not seen .The Holy place of God

Note they took wives of all that they chose. They were basing this on what. Lust? Why was Noah perfect in his generations? I dont know the answer to all of that, but there is something in about mixing of genes, and why revelation says the 144,000 that were virgins and had not defiled themselves with women.
I think that Noah was considered as being part of the generation of born again believers. The generation of Christ. Previously the generation of Adam natural unconverted man called the evil generation.

Virgins when looking to the spiritual understanding hid in parables I believe would have to do with the chaste virgin bride of Christ as those who have not gone after strange women or daughters of men . This can be seen by looking at the parable using Paul as a segregate mother typifying the church as the mother of us all (Galatians 4;26). as he held out the gospel seed in a hope of Timothy could also become one of the may lively stones that makes up the spiritual house the church .His bride

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

What we are is not what we will be(no more male or female, Jew nor gentile) the temporal.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

The 144,000 as the signified language of parables represents the chaste virgin bride of Christ .Old testament saints as well as new testament saint as a unknown number.
 
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Not according to the Book of Enoch, Jubilees, and Josephus as well as many Jewish sages and commentators.

IMO they were certainly fallen angel and human hybrids. The other theories do not hold up under scrutiny, and are relatively recent interpretations.
What book of Enoch?
 

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That is possession and not a hybrid human. Possession can end very abruptly. Don't bother us with the book of Enoch. It is not scripture.

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Ok....that was not my meaning in that particular case. As to the nephilim......I am fully convinced of the hybrid interpretation. For now.

Enoch was quoted in Jude and referred to in Scripture. It was undoubtedly well known in Pauls day and no doubt Paul had studied it in depth. I am not saying that it is inspired or fully factual. But likely substantially legitimate, however nobody can confirm or deny anything.

The Genesis 6 text is just too strong and specific to allow for merely extramarriage. Esau extramarried and did not precipitate a world ending crisis.
 
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Ok....that was not my meaning in that particular case. As to the nephilim......I am fully convinced of the hybrid interpretation. For now.

Enoch was quoted in Jude and referred to in Scripture. It was undoubtedly well known in Pauls day and no doubt Paul had studied it in depth. I am not saying that it is inspired or fully factual. But likely substantially legitimate, however nobody can confirm or deny anything.

The Genesis 6 text is just too strong and specific to allow for merely extramarriage. Esau extramarried and did not precipitate a world ending crisis.
Esau who saw no value in the spiritual unseen things of God also was being unevenly yoked with the daughters of men .You could say they were evenly yoked.

Yes it was more in respect to being unevenly yoked not just extramarried but putting the spiritual seed Christ in jeopardy, having not yet reached its fulfillment with the birth of Jesus. The new born again generation

Not sure how Enoch quoting the prophecy in Deuteronomy 33 is classified as a book . A verse of phrase would seem to be more appropriate according to my understanding .

Deuteronomy 33:2And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jude 1:14
 

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Esau who saw no value in the spiritual unseen things of God also was being unevenly yoked with the daughters of men .You could say they were evenly yoked.

Yes it was more in respect to being unevenly yoked not just extramarried but putting the spiritual seed Christ in jeopardy, having not yet reached its fulfillment with the birth of Jesus. The new born again generation

Not sure how Enoch quoting the prophecy in Deuteronomy 33 is classified as a book . A verse of phrase would seem to be more appropriate according to my understanding .

Deuteronomy 33:2And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jude 1:14
And it is just possible that Enoch was written long after our Bible was canonized. Too many wild stories are in Enoch including aliens. :eek:
 

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And it is just possible that Enoch was written long after our Bible was canonized. Too many wild stories are in Enoch including aliens. :eek:
the oldest complete Enoch goes back to 150 - 200 BC. this theory did when the DSS was discovered back in the 1940s.
 

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a few facts i always thought interesting.

up until the year 400 there was no sethite or non angel view, the reason for the change, the angel view was to far fetched yet other facts from the bible such as walking on water, talking snakes, sun stopping for a day, a man living in a fish, etc, or perfectly rational?
the overwhelming majority believe the angel view yet the official mainstream view is the non angel.
Catholics and Protestant bible schools both teach the non angel view, they agree on nothing else but agree on the oddball things?
 

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the oldest complete Enoch goes back to 150 - 200 BC. this theory did when the DSS was discovered back in the 1940s.
a few facts i always thought interesting.

up until the year 400 there was no sethite or non angel view, the reason for the change, the angel view was to far fetched yet other facts from the bible such as walking on water, talking snakes, sun stopping for a day, a man living in a fish, etc, or perfectly rational?
the overwhelming majority believe the angel view yet the official mainstream view is the non angel.
Catholics and Protestant bible schools both teach the non angel view, they agree on nothing else but agree on the oddball things?
You sure put out a lot as fact. Let's have some references for all this hobnob. :cool:
 

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Not according to the Book of Enoch, Jubilees, and Josephus as well as many Jewish sages and commentators.

IMO they were certainly fallen angel and human hybrids. The other theories do not hold up under scrutiny, and are relatively recent interpretations.
those books are not authoritative sorry were the bible speaks on the topic of " son of god in gen 6 contextually is men. FYI the writer of the Old Testament were Jews too and far more anointed than commentators .
 

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they were men . nephilim means mighty men of war.
My bible just says giants. I'd never heard of nephilim as the word commonly used before. When people talk about Nephilim they seem to regard them as not even human...? Or is this what Jude refers to as 'brute beasts'

How do the sethites explain the giant size of the offspring? Or if it was not their offspring, the presence of giants. Why arent there still giants today? If they actually are the offspring of unequal yoking, why arent we seeing more giants. If that is the case why arent all unbelievers giants.

I dont quite understand...because in the Bible giants did refer to physical stature not just being mighty or famous. Right?