getting dates about a young earth

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Dan_473

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back to the flood, of course, before the flood. I would say everything was destroyed, so we can only guess. which is what science tries to do.
ok, I can see the logic in that. Science, then, is useless for dating things before the flood.
 

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what dates does one arrive at using those?
Alpha has to be a constant for the universe to exist.... one scientist found that billions of years ago alpha was smaller.
 
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ok, I can see the logic in that. Science, then, is useless for dating things before the flood.

which only leaves us with scripture.

which is why many today are changing their view to a young earth..


I used to believe in a Gap theory between gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, it explained why science sees the world old. and explains why. We went to interpret the bible to fit science which I believe was a mistake..

Today many christian scientists are reverting to a Young Earth.. and the literal interpretation of Gods words, without trying to read somethign which is not there into it.
 

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yes, Science would be right, in saying the world is of age.. But "faith" may be right in saying the actually age of the earth may be young.

ie, the earth was created in its origional state "AGED"
yes, so two different possibilities I see.

one is that science is unreliable for dating the early stuff, the other that science correctly says the earth appears to be billions of years old (because God made it that way)
 
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I've been looking at some young-earth creationist websites, and noticed that a lot of time is spent showing that the conventional dates for rocks and stuff is wrong, that the earth is much younger.

but the dates talked about don't always support a 6,000 year old earth.

from Library: Radio-Carbon Dating Proves a Young Earth
"For example, a rock aged by two different scientists using the most advanced radiometric technique was reported to be 10,000 years old by one scientist. The other scientist aged the same rock at several billion years."

is the 10,000 reliable?

what dates are arrived at with proper carbon-dating etc?
I really doesn't know of a site, but here's video of someone that knows a lot about and the method that they uses to come up with these speculations.

[video]https://youtu.be/bMZbpDnYZ2Y[/video]
 

Dan_473

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Alpha has to be a constant for the universe to exist.... one scientist found that billions of years ago alpha was smaller.
what dates does a smaller alpha yield?
 

Dan_473

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which only leaves us with scripture.

which is why many today are changing their view to a young earth..


I used to believe in a Gap theory between gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2, it explained why science sees the world old. and explains why. We went to interpret the bible to fit science which I believe was a mistake..

Today many christian scientists are reverting to a Young Earth.. and the literal interpretation of Gods words, without trying to read somethign which is not there into it.
maybe I was reading the young earth sites with the wrong idea, then... maybe they're not saying science points to a young earth, maybe they're saying science can't be trusted for the age of the earth.
 

Dan_473

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I really doesn't know of a site, but here's video of someone that knows a lot about and the method that they uses to come up with these speculations.

[video]https://youtu.be/bMZbpDnYZ2Y[/video]
I'm on a 'puter that doesn't play youtube... can you summarize the vid, plz?
 
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maybe I was reading the young earth sites with the wrong idea, then... maybe they're not saying science points to a young earth, maybe they're saying science can't be trusted for the age of the earth.
Not sure which ones you went to.. But yeah, Maybe your right, I am going to the creation museum in Cincinatti Ohio this saturday, It was there where I went about 5 years ago, and questioned alot of my views, and started my way to where I am now.
 
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Trying to make sense out of everything with what little we actually know to be true only causes division. Given the information that I have studied, my guess is that "humans" predated Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were created special to tend Eden. Then they were cast out into the wilderness when they disobeyed. My question is who was Cain afraid of? Who did he build a city for, a city? Whats with all of the megalithic structures built with science we are just discovering, or haven't yet discovered. There's too many blanks to be filled. All I will say is history is probably not even close to what we think it is.
 
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Okay I admit my typo 4th day not 3rd...

However,, it's insulting the assumptions and personal attacks made about me.

You can't assume I haven't done research or if you present a logically explanation I would not listen.

I haven't been on here in a while but I would hope there are some who will attest to my character and willingness to fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I apologize if my statements don't make sense to you Tintin but what I was challenging was the commonly held scientific beliefs of traditional Judiasm and some Christians.


Some people claim the Bible says the Earth is flat and the center of the universe.

I simply state they are mistaken.

I have read cases where people claim that the Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old..I don't find it convincing.

If you can show me reasoning using the Bible, I am willing to look at it.

However, most just believe because their pastor told them so.
Yes, I can assume that. I can assume that from your questions, (since all the answers you ask are easy enough to find with a simple online search) and the fact that you can't define a day even after reading the first chapter in the book. It's defined right in it. So, sure I can assume, and back up my assumptions.
 
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I'm on a 'puter that doesn't play youtube... can you summarize the vid, plz?
This scientist explain all of the dating methods that is out there and how incorrect they are. He proves that in this video that the earth is about the age that the Bible says it is. His name is Bruce Malone, and maybe you can searched the web that speak of his evidences of how old the earth is..
 

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Not sure which ones you went to.. But yeah, Maybe your right, I am going to the creation museum in Cincinatti Ohio this saturday, It was there where I went about 5 years ago, and questioned alot of my views, and started my way to where I am now.
I'm not sure which ones, either... I think answersingenesis was one...
 

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This scientist explain all of the dating methods that is out there and how incorrect they are. He proves that in this video that the earth is about the age that the Bible says it is. His name is Bruce Malone, and maybe you can searched the web that speak of his evidences of how old the earth is..
thanks... so the scientist is in the "science is unreliable for dating the earth" group.
 
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thanks... so the scientist is in the "science is unreliable for dating the earth" group.
He has explains about how old things are and why they came up with their analyst about the age of things and know that these methods that they has been using only can go back so far, they just add their own belief into it, their own assumptions. But the method are good, but they has stretched the tlie a little bit by over 200 millions of years.
 
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I don't go on dates anymore 'cause I'm a married man. Dates are good in desserts though. Or is that figs?
 
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He has explains about how old things are and why they came up with their analyst about the age of things and know that these methods that they has been using only can go back so far, they just add their own belief into it, their own assumptions. But the method are good, but they has stretched the lie a little bit by over 200 millions of years.
 

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what dates does a smaller alpha yield?
Alpha defines how elements interact, so the whole periodic table would be messed up. Protons and electrons would interact differently and even light would have been affected. Physics relies on constants remaining constant, so it would affect that too.
A change in alpha apparently would mean the earth wouldn't have existed.
 
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are there any "science-y" methods that can be trusted? would you then be in the 'science is useless in dating the earth' camp?
Yes, observable science is valid, origins science isn't. It's a humanistic philosophy steeped in evolutionism.