Gift of Tongues: Contrary to Pentecost

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I just wanna add somethin on the inperpretaton fuss.. Sometimes people get the interpretation and dont say them openly. Depending on what it is, especially if its a private word I dont blast it into the crowd but bring it to that specific person when God wants me to. Its now always noticeable if there is ant interpretaton spoken.
Sometimes ppl get the interpretation for themselves and think about it at home without talking about it openly etc.
Amen....this is so true....there is a maturing in everything in the things of the Spirit. I believe that a lot of us are getting things from the Holy Spirit but without teaching or experience in this area - we lose in the understanding of these things and thus fail to express what the things that the Spirit is showing us.

I believe many of us are used and given words of knowledge and words of wisdom but we just don't recognize them as being what they really are. There is a maturing process in the things of the Lord in everything. That's why it's important to be open to receive what the Spirit is telling us through teachers and from our own spirit within us as He bears witness with us on the truths of Christ in us.
 

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Amen....this is so true....there is a maturing in everything in the things of the Spirit. I believe that a lot of us are getting things from the Holy Spirit but without teaching or experience in this area - we lose in the understanding of these things and thus fail to express what the things that the Spirit is showing us.

I believe many of us are used and given words of knowledge and words of wisdom but we just don't recognize them as being what they really are. There is a maturing process in the things of the Lord in everything. That's why it's important to be open to receive what the Spirit is telling us through teachers and from our own spirit within us as He bears witness with us on the truths of Christ in us.

Ill just give you a example. Once the holy spirit gave me a message about a girl that was verbally abused, he showed me to her and she was crying (i got it during worship and she was sitting down crying) so everyone was busy and he sent me to her and not scream it all out. So I went to her, no one really understood or noticed why and what was happening but I went to her and could minister to her and help her heal and understand God after service. Now if I would have screamed out HEY WE HAVE A PERSON WHO GOT VERBALLY ABUSED AND HER SPIRIT IS GRIEVED AND GOD WANTS HER TO HEAAAAAAAL! SHES RIGHT THEEERE GOD LOOOOVES YOUUU!.... I dont think that would have been a good idea now do you?
 
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Ill just give you a example. Once the holy spirit gave me a message about a girl that was verbally abused, he showed me to her and she was crying (i got it during worship and she was sitting down crying) so everyone was busy and he sent me to her and not scream it all out. So I went to her, no one really understood or noticed why and what was happening but I went to her and could minister to her and help her heal and understand God after service. Now if I would have screamed out HEY WE HAVE A PERSON WHO GOT VERBALLY ABUSED AND HER SPIRIT IS GRIEVED AND GOD WANTS HER TO HEAAAAAAAL! SHES RIGHT THEEERE GOD LOOOOVES YOUUU!.... I dont think that would have been a good idea now do you?
Nope!......:)
 
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Many people believe that those speaking in tongues at Pentecost spoke in the languages of those present (though it says they heard them in their own language), but lets say this is true. That the tongue speakers literally were speaking in the language of the people and the people were not just hearing their language supernaturally.
The hearing of tongues (prophecy) is never attributed to the speaker.Its not speaking in tongue, its hearing as God does the work of translating.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It would seem some are getting away from the faith principle (2Corinthians 4:18 ) as a perfect law for hearing God by a work of his faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. It is never about the clay he forms Christ in. God is simply not served by human hands in any way shape or form.

There is no outward sign as evidence a person has the Holy Spirit we are aware of the subtleties of the father of lies it is how he works to deceive, leading men walking by sight down the three avenues described below

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The gift of tongues is twofold. As a sign seen in confirms unbelief.(signs are for those who rebel) At the same time as prophecy not seen. the faith principle, the same message, it brings the hearing of faith described in Galatians 3. Three thousand souls where given the hearing of Christ’s faith showing they received the Holy Spirit .How many Jew heard it to confirm their unbelief no one knows.

In the end the gift is the “hearing of Christ’s faith” (the unseen work) Not men speaking words they have no idea of what they mean their own selves. Men spoke in their own language God interpreted it in others.

When it say Paul spoke in tongues more than others. for one he being a apostle to the gentiles was confronted with a differnt dialect when dicussing spiritual matters . This means he spoke is regular dialect the hearer heard the prophecy as God interpreted it.. and when they spoke in their normal dialect which paul could not undersatand Paul heard it in his own language as god interpreted to Him.

Nothing is attributed to either person it is a gift of God just as any gift..... not of men in any way shape or form.

Because tongues are prophecy supernaturally spoken by God... the “hearing of faith” is the result of hearing God.(not the one speaking) It is how God gives us ears to hear the gospel.

Not all that heard the message by faith where not acquainted with the dialect of the speaker. Because some heard the same message in their own language that it was spoken it did not change the purpose to give them eternal life.

Its prophecy coming from God whether it is interpreted in another language by God or a person hears it in the same dialect.
Signs to one to confirm their unbelief, prophecy to the other to bring the Holy Spirit as born from above.

It has nothing to do with the lips or mouth used to both will and do the good purpose that intended. Nothing is attributed to the clay.
 
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One of Paul's later instructions is if there is no interpreter to stay silent. (Chap 14:28) Why would they need to stay silent if it is a tongue to edify everyone?

The whole emphasis on this chapter is to bring order to the church in Corinth.

If Paul wanted to talk about ecstatic utterances I am sure he would have used those words. Ecstatic utterances were already in use by the pagans at the temple.

In the church of Corinth there were many different languages and nationalities being an ancient trading city so there were many different languages therefore there was need for interpreters and the use of tongues.

what you are doing, is saying water is wet

I thought you know nothing about this subject? :p

I often pray in english after praying in tongues...I interpret myself....write songs the same way

In fact, I have been known to sing an entire song on the spur of the moment, in english, and people have a hard time believing it was a 'Holy Spirit song'...I'm like...well...that's what I do

so, I am so very tired of people who do not WANT this gift, telling those of us who HAVE this gift, that NO ONE should have this gift

I am fully aware of ALL that Paul taught...see, Paul spoke in tongues, so I REALLY get what he was saying
 

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2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Pentecostals and charismatics are very passionate about tongues. Despite all that passion they cannot support what goes on inside their churches from the bible. Most of them do not even agree with each other on what constitutes the gift of tongues.

A lot of wrangling goes into trying to reconcile what goes on in Pentecostal and charismatic circles which only adds to the distress of those who endeavor to understand them.

For the cause of Christ
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JMO but I see Jesus as Redeemer

I see Penecost as the "redemption" of language which was confounded at Babel
 
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Ill just give you a example. Once the holy spirit gave me a message about a girl that was verbally abused, he showed me to her and she was crying (i got it during worship and she was sitting down crying) so everyone was busy and he sent me to her and not scream it all out. So I went to her, no one really understood or noticed why and what was happening but I went to her and could minister to her and help her heal and understand God after service. Now if I would have screamed out HEY WE HAVE A PERSON WHO GOT VERBALLY ABUSED AND HER SPIRIT IS GRIEVED AND GOD WANTS HER TO HEAAAAAAAL! SHES RIGHT THEEERE GOD LOOOOVES YOUUU!.... I dont think that would have been a good idea now do you?
That would be the gift of discernment or a word of knowledge
 

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That would be the gift of discernment or a word of knowledge
It was tounges worship and normal worship.. freestyle.. it was interpretation.. i know the difference of the gifts...
 

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How can it be so plainly put, with so much scripture and still be denied? Unfathomable. :confused:
 

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It was tounges worship and normal worship.. freestyle.. it was interpretation.. i know the difference of the gifts...
Considering what you shared, it would appear to be a word of knowledge as the Lord enlightened you to an area of her life that you couldn't have otherwise known. That's why psalm said that. :) Of course, you could've been speaking in tongues and the Lord gave you the interpretation which was a message for that person, do doubt.
 

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Paul was talking about the 2 uses of tongues in 1 Cor. One is a devotional tongue for personal use in praying mysteries to God and other people are not involved.

Then there is the use of tongues as a gift of the Holy Spirit and as He wills only and used with the other gift - interpretation and it is used for the edification of those around us. This has the same effect as simple prophecy has - for edification, comfort and consolation to fellow believers.

Confuse the two uses of tongues and we'll end up with a mess. I believe the reason Paul brought order in the Corinthian gatherings because the people were just speaking in tongues all the time when they were together and that tongue is used for praying with our spirit to the Lord only. He was simply correcting the use of tongues so that there would be order.
There are many times that I've been with an interpreter and spoken in tongues to minister to people and it was volitional. Meaning, I fullheartedly believe the Lord always wants to speak to us and therefore when I minister I believe God has something to say. Its expectation and faith, I know the goodness of God and how He wishes to encourage and comfort His children. So with that in mind, I can go confidently ministering in the gifts He has given me with the expectation of results and His operation.

Both the private use and public use of tongues is at our disposal, if you will. Its the same gift used for different purposes. Its also something that we control, meaning we initiate the tongues and then the Lord decides if it is to be interpreted. Sometimes tongues are shielded, in God's sovereignty. A shielded prayer, or something we are praying about in the future but isn't for us to know currently.

There is a lot about this gift that people don't understand, and I'm still learning. Did you know you can pray in tongues and see a person get healed? I was directed by the Lord to do so, and the person's pain went away. The tongue interpreter was like "Man, you spoke like a general." Meaning, like, with authority. There is also intercession, or intercessory prayer that can be done with tongues. If you understand that it is the Holy Spirit guiding your spirit to pray then you can allow the Holy Spirit to direct your prayers for another person. I'll ask the Holy Spirit to guide my tongues on behalf of another and then speak in tongues, trusting He is through me interceding for them and then I thank Him.

There is even a verse that speaks of building up our faith through tongues. Check it out...

Jude 20 King James Version (KJV)

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Some people don't realize it, but if the Lord can address a congregation in tongues and it be interpreted that means that the Lord is speaking through this gift to the people. This means that, theoretically, one can fello
wship through this gift and an interpreter present with the Holy Spirit. Him speaking to you and the interpreter.

As I was saying, there is actually quite a bit behind this gift and for me, I am grateful to the Lord for it. It has allowed for the most intimate of fellowships with the Holy Spirit. So very clear. So while it may be according to some the least of the gifts, it is a most prized/coveted one for me as it has allowed me to fellowship with the Holy Spirit where as without it I wouldn't have been able to share the time I've had so far with Him. Anyways, just wanted to share some of that. :)
 

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How can it be so plainly put, with so much scripture and still be denied? Unfathomable. :confused:
Pr 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Hi Ben,
I remember you and I talking about this quite awhile back. Not sure if you remember but you asked me to pray for you about this. Anyways, just wanted to let you know I remember that before I share what happened to me.

As with many things, for years I struggled trying to understand tongues in particular. I had doubts but I wasn't doubting God, I was doubting his ability to bestow such a gift on me without understanding it. It wasn't until I got over myself (aka stopped leaning to my own understanding) and just decided to trust God on it. I just trusted that if such a gift was necessary at any time, God was more than able to perform it in me despite my ignorance. After that, I had multiple experiences. I will just share a couple in hopes that it will be uplifting to others.

Gift of tongues/interpretation
The Lord sent me to a household but did not tell me why. I spent time mostly just helping around the house but also ministering whenever the Lord instructed. I was still not sure why I was there though. Then one day the spirit of the Lord came on me strongly while I was caring for the 1 1/2 year old in the house. I began to speak to him in tongues. His eyes lit up and he looked at me and started babbling back to me. It continued for a short time before I was given the interpretation. When this happened, I switched to speaking in English. During the conversation I learned from the child that something was wrong with his mother. I asked for specifics but he nodded no and continued babbling. After my discussion, I knew that I was there because of her specifically. Later I found out that she had a couple of secrets. One... she was a drug addict and none of her friends or family suspected. Two... she had hepatitis. I told her that God was more than able to heal her of both. She had her doubts and did not want to talk about it. I told her that God would heal her of the hepatitis as and that if she then would trust in him and repent of her ways, God would free her from her addiction. She ended up not wanting me back to the house. She avoided me now that I knew about her drug addiction. Many months later she called me to tell me that the doctors were baffled cause she showed no signs of hepatitis. She soon after checked herself into rehab.

I never knew God would use the gift of tongues and interpretation in that way. No man had ever taught me that. It wasn't up to me and my understanding. It was God doing the work in a willing vessel. So I can only boast in knowing him, not in anything I have done.

Interpretation
A couple of years later a friend of mine and I decided to check out a Puerto Rican church in my area. I lived in a Latin neighborhood. The decision was really out of obedience on both of our parts. We went only to discover that the message was not in English. They asked if I would need an interpreter and my friend was a bit surprised when I said "no". She responded saying, "Well, I know a bit of Spanish. I can help him a bit if he needs it."
The message began and I just closed my eyes and spoke in tongues softly. Soon after, I was able to understand the context of a paragraph... and then a sentence... and then even specific words. I leaned over to my friend and whispered, "The preacher is talking about a woman that they knew that got healed of cancer, right?" She looked at me, grinned, and said, "Yes... is God interpreting for you?" I smiled and said "Yes". I turned back to the preacher who paused for a moment, looked at me, tilted her head as if she was listening to someone, then smiled at me and continues. It was a really cool experience.
God is awesome. :)
 

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Hi Ben,
I remember you and I talking about this quite awhile back. Not sure if you remember but you asked me to pray for you about this. Anyways, just wanted to let you know I remember that before I share what happened to me.

As with many things, for years I struggled trying to understand tongues in particular. I had doubts but I wasn't doubting God, I was doubting his ability to bestow such a gift on me without understanding it. It wasn't until I got over myself (aka stopped leaning to my own understanding) and just decided to trust God on it. I just trusted that if such a gift was necessary at any time, God was more than able to perform it in me despite my ignorance. After that, I had multiple experiences. I will just share a couple in hopes that it will be uplifting to others.

Gift of tongues/interpretation
The Lord sent me to a household but did not tell me why. I spent time mostly just helping around the house but also ministering whenever the Lord instructed. I was still not sure why I was there though. Then one day the spirit of the Lord came on me strongly while I was caring for the 1 1/2 year old in the house. I began to speak to him in tongues. His eyes lit up and he looked at me and started babbling back to me. It continued for a short time before I was given the interpretation. When this happened, I switched to speaking in English. During the conversation I learned from the child that something was wrong with his mother. I asked for specifics but he nodded no and continued babbling. After my discussion, I knew that I was there because of her specifically. Later I found out that she had a couple of secrets. One... she was a drug addict and none of her friends or family suspected. Two... she had hepatitis. I told her that God was more than able to heal her of both. She had her doubts and did not want to talk about it. I told her that God would heal her of the hepatitis as and that if she then would trust in him and repent of her ways, God would free her from her addiction. She ended up not wanting me back to the house. She avoided me now that I knew about her drug addiction. Many months later she called me to tell me that the doctors were baffled cause she showed no signs of hepatitis. She soon after checked herself into rehab.

I never knew God would use the gift of tongues and interpretation in that way. No man had ever taught me that. It wasn't up to me and my understanding. It was God doing the work in a willing vessel. So I can only boast in knowing him, not in anything I have done.

Interpretation
A couple of years later a friend of mine and I decided to check out a Puerto Rican church in my area. I lived in a Latin neighborhood. The decision was really out of obedience on both of our parts. We went only to discover that the message was not in English. They asked if I would need an interpreter and my friend was a bit surprised when I said "no". She responded saying, "Well, I know a bit of Spanish. I can help him a bit if he needs it."
The message began and I just closed my eyes and spoke in tongues softly. Soon after, I was able to understand the context of a paragraph... and then a sentence... and then even specific words. I leaned over to my friend and whispered, "The preacher is talking about a woman that they knew that got healed of cancer, right?" She looked at me, grinned, and said, "Yes... is God interpreting for you?" I smiled and said "Yes". I turned back to the preacher who paused for a moment, looked at me, tilted her head as if she was listening to someone, then smiled at me and continues. It was a really cool experience.
God is awesome. :)
Hey! I do remember you as well. :) I am pretty sure I told you what happened, right? That it turns out that I had the gift all along, but was ignorant to the fact. Since I was young I had the gift, but due to peer pressure I had suppressed it (revelation of the Holy Spirit).

The day I found out I had the gift all along I was speaking to two interpreters about the Holy Spirit and tongues when I mimicked what I thought tongue speakers sound like in making a point and both of their jaws dropped (knowing I wanted the gift and had sought it). "Ben! You just spoke in tongues!" I was like, "VVhat?" haha That led to like three days of experiencing the gift of tongues and interpretation that involved fellowship with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit answering questions and revealing things to us. It was a wonderful experience.

There had been times that I experienced frustrations for example, and my muscles would contract (tighten). Like an anger and I would say some words every time. I thought it was OCD but turns out it was G O D. haha It was tongues in addressing the problem, something about " you have no place here" or like a rebuke.

How funny is it that what I sought I had all along? :p
 
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It was tounges worship and normal worship.. freestyle.. it was interpretation.. i know the difference of the gifts...
I apologize, Demi, I didn't mean to make you feel like you needed to defend yourself
 

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I apologize, Demi, I didn't mean to make you feel like you needed to defend yourself
Its alright I snap a bit too fast some days ..today is one of them. Lets just forget about it lol
 
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yay!!!!
There is a good example of a mature way to handle things!!!
Props Demi and psalm

(Sorry I had to comment lol)
 

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Its alright I snap a bit too fast some days ..today is one of them. Lets just forget about it lol


I couldn't find the right snapping turtle pic or GIF so I chose this, lol. :p