Global warming - climate change

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UnderGrace

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icebergs break off because the overall world temperature has risen steadily for several years now. Which does mean, it is hotter than it should be.
Not sure where you are getting your information, perhaps you are looking to the Apocalypse, but as of 2018 there has been a slowdown in the rate of average global surface warming that took place from 1998–2012 (relative to the preceding 30 years) has unequivocally ended. Scientists have learned more about the physical factors that contributed to the short-term trend.
https://www.climate.gov
 

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ok thread will now be ignored. as stated before, this is much ado about nothing
 

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Just a thought or two.....thus year in Missouri I have had more snow than I can remember the last say 30 or so years....kind if like when I was kid....and for sure in Revelation it states that God should destroy those that are actively destroying the earth....a few points...

It stands to reason that if we are destroying Ozone that...

a. In summer more solar radiation would heat the planet

b. In winter more heat would escape leading to colder winters....

I had minus 25 c on my porch at 10 pm last winter which probably put it at minus 27 to 30 at daylight and the same year 107 F in the middle of summer.....


I will also say that 10 years ago or longer I noted that the Sun was not setting in the same location that it did when I was a kid.....then I find out that polar north is shifting toward Russia a few kilometers a year.....

The earth is definitely changing.....but the seasons will co tinue until the end of the age


My point is not for science itself. It's we can use what science claims as a guide. And factually, since keeping records, there have been both hotter/colder temps, weather extremes and droughts, and the evidence of things we now notice because it's not a normal thing to see any more. These are the signs God spoke about in Matthew 24. The Birthing Pains before great Tribulation. Weather is just one of several issues we know outside false prophets, the condition of the church, what's being accepted in the church as God's representation when we classify Birthing Pains. And from observing all of it from the church condition to unstable weather patterns, we definitely are in the stage of Birthing Pains. Where specifically within that stage are we, I do not know,. But even watching Trump and knowing he is going down and Pence coming in, or then 2020 Dems will win for sure and could be Antichrist - they would vote for anything in this current mental state of their awareness.

But we are definitely in the Birthing Pains and science has been a tool we were able to use to confirm the Word of God!!
 
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My point is not for science itself. It's we can use what science claims as a guide. And factually, since keeping records, there have been both hotter/colder temps, weather extremes and droughts, and the evidence of things we now notice because it's not a normal thing to see any more. These are the signs God spoke about in Matthew 24. The Birthing Pains before great Tribulation. Weather is just one of several issues we know outside false prophets, the condition of the church, what's being accepted in the church as God's representation when we classify Birthing Pains. And from observing all of it from the church condition to unstable weather patterns, we definitely are in the stage of Birthing Pains. Where specifically within that stage are we, I do not know,. But even watching Trump and knowing he is going down and Pence coming in, or then 2020 Dems will win for sure and could be Antichrist - they would vote for anything in this current mental state of their awareness.

But we are definitely in the Birthing Pains and science has been a tool we were able to use to confirm the Word of God!!
I don't think Trump will go down...we will be in a world war before that happens IMV
 

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The real question after discussing with buddies and paying attention to Brass, as much as they openly bash Trump (their Leader/Commander/President), would they actually OBEY an order of Martial Law to establish war, or would Putin start war with an ALLY so Trump had power to respond immediately and avoid a strike...
 
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The real question after discussing with buddies and paying attention to Brass, as much as they openly bash Trump (their Leader/Commander/President), would they actually OBEY an order of Martial Law to establish war, or would Putin start war with an ALLY so Trump had power to respond immediately and avoid a strike...

Study all 80 characteristics of the Daughter of Babylon and how she falls......be open to what is said and the identifying characteristics....most deny, explain away etc.......pay extreme attention to the verbiage......a real eye opener to say the least
 

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I don't think Trump will go down...we will be in a world war before that happens IMV
Trump is an entertaining president. He used to be on WWF wrestling. What a character. He has more guts than most of these gutless politicians. I like him, i dont care what anyone says he did in his past. He is a likeable guy to me.

Unlike others, he has actually kept some of his promises, or TRIED. But the liberals are constantly a thorn on his side, trying to prevent all the positive changes.

And dont anyone tell me i watch fox news or am some republican joe, IM NOT EVEN AMERICAN, never even visited. I remember one time some guy tried to put that on me, that im some hillbilly from the south that watches fox news. JOKES ON HIM i live in northern europe, im a gypsy, and i never watched fox news in my life. HAH
 

TabinRivCA

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Do we all agree sea levels are rising? Prob not I'm guessing.
 

AxeElf

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Bible is proven to be HISTORICALLY accurate. SCIENTIFICALLY accurate.
Um, no, it's not. Quite the opposite, in fact. But that's ok, it was never intended to be a science or history book.

If it were a history book, the four accounts of the resurrection would not contradict each other.

If it were a science book, it wouldn't say that the Earth is flat.

If you don't want to be a brother, that's fine; but let's not be confused about the facts.
 

obedienttogod

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Study all 80 characteristics of the Daughter of Babylon and how she falls......be open to what is said and the identifying characteristics....most deny, explain away etc.......pay extreme attention to the verbiage......a real eye opener to say the least


In what I feel in my spirit, that is connected to Our God by the Holy Spirit, is impressing upon me that Trump won't make it to war. It very well could come down to the last minute before we believe a WW III to kick off, that Sudden Peace is ushered in by none other than the tool of our Adversary. We definitely seem to be deep within the trimesters of Birthing Pains.
 

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ok thread will now be ignored. as stated before, this is much ado about nothing
And that's the whole point of the globalists. To deflect the attention of the masses from the real issues, and focus it on sheer nonsense. That is also the strategy of the mainstream media (MSM) which have all become Left-Liberal propaganda machines throughout the Western world.
 

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It is not just one man's opinion. There is a whole raft of scientists who reject this bogus science.

31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence".

...There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth....

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/en...s/31000-scientists-say-no-convincing-evidence

You know what would be awesome? Is if you people would actually READ the articles you post, instead of just getting excited about the titles--then you wouldn't find yourself in the embarrassing position of posting articles that actually REFUTE, rather than support, your claim.

Let's take a look at this one, shall we?

Right off the bat, the first paragraph states:

"31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming? But polls show that of scientists working in the field of climate science, and publishing papers on the topic: 97% of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century; and 97% think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures."

It then goes on to describe the online petition originated by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, a petition which states the conclusion you quoted above.

"To participate in the petition one only needs to mark a check box to show that one has a Ph.D., M.S., or B.S. degree, and then fill in the fields. Unfortunately, that means that anyone can sign the petition, whether they have a degree or not. Since the results are not verifiable, there is no way to know how many signers have actually earned a degree.

"Do '31,000 scientists say global warming is not real'? Maybe. But more importantly what is the significance of these signatures? The majority of signatures are engineers (10,102). 3,046 are in medicine. 2,965 are in biology, biochemistry and agriculture. 4,822 in chemistry and chemical engineering.

"Without formal training in climate science the level of understanding remains unknown among those that signed the petition. A key question is not how many of those that signed the petition know climate exists, but rather how many of those that signed work directly in the field of climate science.

"According to the data on the petition site, only 12% of those who signed the petition are indicated to have affiliation with atmosphere, earth, and environmental science. But there is no indication how many work in the field of climate science?"


LOL!

Let's read further...

"What is notable is that the polls indicate there is a perspective difference between working climate scientists and scientists not working in the field of climate. When one examines the experts in the field, one sees a significant divergence from the general view. So the more important question for us is, what do 'expert' climate scientists think?

2009 - Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change
1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?
2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
  • 90% of participants answered “risen” to question 1.
  • 82% answered 'yes' to question 2.
Of those with expertise in climate science:
  • 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1.
  • 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.
Source: EOS, TRANSACTIONS AMERICAN GEOPHYSICAL UNION, VOL. 90, NO. 3, P. 22, 2009

2009 Pew Research Center Poll
  • 84% of scientists say the earth is warming because of human activity.
Asked if they regarded global warming as a very serious problem?
  • Scientists - 70%
  • Public - 47%
Source: Pew Research Center

2008 Poll
Scientists agree that humans cause global warming?

  • 97% of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century.
  • 84% percent say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring.
  • 74% agree that “currently available scientific evidence” substantiates its occurrence.
  • 5% believe that that human activity does not contribute to greenhouse warming; the rest are unsure.
Climate scientists are skeptical of the media
  • 1% of climate scientists rate either broadcast or cable television news about climate change as “very reliable.”
Source: STATS Poll (+/-4%), George Mason University

1991 Poll

Changing scientific opinion
In 1991 the Gallup organization conducted a telephone survey on global climate change among 400 scientists drawn from membership lists of the American Meteorological Association and the American Geophysical Union.

We repeated several of their questions verbatim, in order to measure changes in scientific opinion over time. On a variety of questions, opinion has consistently shifted toward increased belief in and concern about global warming. Among the changes:
  • In 1991 only 60% of climate scientists believed that average global temperatures were up, compared to 97% today.
  • In 1991 only a minority (41%) of climate scientists agreed that then-current scientific evidence “substantiates the occurrence of human-induced warming,” compared to three out of four (74%) today.
Source: George Mason University

SUMMARY
97% of working climate scientists say the temperature is rising, and human activity is a significant contributing factor."


Do you still stand behind your own article now?

Too funny...
 

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Also, yes I am big on calling people names for having a "DIFF OPINION", if that DIFF OPINION is that SECULAR SCIENTISTS know anything better than the BIBLE!
Thats not a Christian stance!
Um, yes it is.

Here is what St. Augustine (a Christian) wrote about foolish Christians trying improperly to use the Bible as a science book, way back in 400 AD, in his treatise "The Literal Meaning of Genesis."

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.
 

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what i meant by that was a lazy person. Someone who didnt put in the time to do research and is repeating the 'scientific' data!

I got that word from the Gypsy King himself, Tyson Fury! Best boxer in the heavyweight division, no doubt!
He is from england, I AM NOT.

Also, yes I am big on calling people names for having a "DIFF OPINION", if that DIFF OPINION is that SECULAR SCIENTISTS know anything better than the BIBLE!
Thats not a Christian stance!
I wouldn't know you were a Christian by your tone.
 

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People are forgetting that Jesus showed us the end of the world was not by flood as it was in Noahs time but it was going to be be FIRE.

And my common sense tells me this fire is going to be very HOT and not the opposite. So if anyone tries to claim different they arent heeding the warnings, several, that Jesus gave about HELL.

Peter explained this to us in his second letter chapter 3 verses4-10.

Why is the earth reserved unto fire on the day of judgement? Well it sure isnt going to be another flood cos God promised he wouldnt do that again.
 

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It is incorrect to say that "all the scientists were saying that global cooling was going to bring about a new ice age," or even that MOST of them were.
Were you alive and going to school in the 1970s? It was what we were taught. Just like today, most scientists were in agreement that the earth was cooling and that we were headed for another ice age.

I don't think there's much I can do about it personally either
So, no personal changes from you - got it. Why inconvenience yourself when you can inconvenience the country instead - right?

Tell us all, what should government do? Tax us even more, destroy industry, force us all to ride bicycles, kill all the farting cows? Do tell, O great climate sage! What can be done to bring us back from our lowly, ignorant state?
 

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Um, no, it's not. Quite the opposite, in fact. But that's ok, it was never intended to be a science or history book.

If it were a history book, the four accounts of the resurrection would not contradict each other.

If it were a science book, it wouldn't say that the Earth is flat.

If you don't want to be a brother, that's fine; but let's not be confused about the facts.
I said Bible is proven to be historically and scientiifcally accurate to which you respond: "Um no, no its not, quite the opposite in fact"

WOW.

And I got guys like @TabinRivCA complain about the way I speak? YET NOT SAY A WORD to this guy denying Scripture's authority. Shows me where its at real clearly. Meanwhile this guy is saying the Bible isnt scientifically or historically accurate, but hey thats fine, because hes "polite". SERIOSLY?

And as to your Augustine quote, he didnt mention anythin specific. And if he DOES mention something specific in other writings like denying the Genesis account, well guess what, HES A HERETIC i dont care how popular he is in church circles. AND I WERE WARNED of people denying the FACT of Noah's flood and Genesis creation:

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

I dont care what any of you "polite" people are saying about me anymore. Im tired of apologizing for standing up against falsehoods and people trampling the Scripture's authority in favor of modern trash science or philosophy. ID RATHER BE IN THE TRUTH THAN POLITE. The JWs are polite. Dont do them no good!

This thread is a CEMETARY, im outta here! Enjoy the polite heresies and science FALSELY so called!