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The Spirit of Satan quickens me to answer, and I am not led to answer a "yes" or "no" simply placing a lawyer's approach to influencing me.. Scripture says if I live by the Spirit I will result the Spirit. It is not what I do, it is what I have become, thus I do. And this is the Testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. It then becomes evident by our fruit of whether we live by the Spirit or by the flesh, for His Word tells us one will demand your life contrary to the other.
"Abide in Me, and I in you." (John 15:4). Again, this is the reality of our will necessary to event a love relationship. I have been Crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Gal. 2:20). I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.....O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God; through Jesus Christ Our Lord! (Romans 7:18, 24-25).
If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of Righteousness. (Romans 8:10). If indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard. (Col. 1:23).
Little Children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. (1 John 2:28). He who says he abides in Him ought himself also walk just as He walked. (1 John 2:6).
So, let me ask you Budman, "Do you believe in the Son of God?" (John 9:35). And by it, have you received crossing over from death into life as to having your new Creation result in all things that are of your Old Nature Gone and in those new things introduced and finished by His workmanship in you (in Christ) resulting in His fruit; and not your own version?
He answered and said, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" (John 9:36).
The brightness of His glory and the express image of His person. (Hebrews 1:3). The blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power, Amen. (1 Tim. 6:15-16). "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (Revelations 1:8).
"Lord, I believe!" (John 9:38). I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that day. (2 Tim. 1:12).
Behold, I lay Zion a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious.
I know of what Christ speaks because it is real within my life. Budman, this is not an issue of me focusing on me to gain and not lose. It is a gift in a relationship of give and take that God has ordained to be appropriated, which is of Him finishing what He promises. A reality in my revelation and conclusion in obedience of a purity He is that I am not, in living by the Spirit of God. Oh, what a gift that is evident in the fruit He procures.
To answer your quickened question I have laid the foundation of my thinking in Scripture. Thus, you can't lose what you never truly received. But, if you have received, and rebel once more, running away from Love, not taking upon yourself the provisions of God who will forgive you from all unrighteousness, based on a changed heart of confession and humility, in that process of His finishing work in you, yes you can walk away from His guaranteed promise. You can't lose it, but you can choose to not accept it. You can chose to not receive His forgiveness, and be unreconciled in your relationship along life's way.
My response is to give an answer to the hope that I have received, It is not a living by works, to gain and maintain anything, it is a testimony of the reality in whom God says He is, and evidence of His promises as being real. It is also evidence, that in me, I have no hope apart from Him. It is a recognition of what my works could never do to gain Salvation. Ironically, Jesus receives us just as we are, but as we receive Him He never leaves us that way, for He loves us that much.
"Abide in Me, and I in you." (John 15:4). Again, this is the reality of our will necessary to event a love relationship. I have been Crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. (Gal. 2:20). I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.....O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God; through Jesus Christ Our Lord! (Romans 7:18, 24-25).
If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of Righteousness. (Romans 8:10). If indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard. (Col. 1:23).
Little Children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. (1 John 2:28). He who says he abides in Him ought himself also walk just as He walked. (1 John 2:6).
So, let me ask you Budman, "Do you believe in the Son of God?" (John 9:35). And by it, have you received crossing over from death into life as to having your new Creation result in all things that are of your Old Nature Gone and in those new things introduced and finished by His workmanship in you (in Christ) resulting in His fruit; and not your own version?
He answered and said, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?" (John 9:36).
The brightness of His glory and the express image of His person. (Hebrews 1:3). The blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power, Amen. (1 Tim. 6:15-16). "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. (Revelations 1:8).
"Lord, I believe!" (John 9:38). I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that day. (2 Tim. 1:12).
Behold, I lay Zion a chief cornerstone, elect, precious, and he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame. Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious.
I know of what Christ speaks because it is real within my life. Budman, this is not an issue of me focusing on me to gain and not lose. It is a gift in a relationship of give and take that God has ordained to be appropriated, which is of Him finishing what He promises. A reality in my revelation and conclusion in obedience of a purity He is that I am not, in living by the Spirit of God. Oh, what a gift that is evident in the fruit He procures.
To answer your quickened question I have laid the foundation of my thinking in Scripture. Thus, you can't lose what you never truly received. But, if you have received, and rebel once more, running away from Love, not taking upon yourself the provisions of God who will forgive you from all unrighteousness, based on a changed heart of confession and humility, in that process of His finishing work in you, yes you can walk away from His guaranteed promise. You can't lose it, but you can choose to not accept it. You can chose to not receive His forgiveness, and be unreconciled in your relationship along life's way.
My response is to give an answer to the hope that I have received, It is not a living by works, to gain and maintain anything, it is a testimony of the reality in whom God says He is, and evidence of His promises as being real. It is also evidence, that in me, I have no hope apart from Him. It is a recognition of what my works could never do to gain Salvation. Ironically, Jesus receives us just as we are, but as we receive Him He never leaves us that way, for He loves us that much.
So, by your reasoning, one must prove they are saved by the way they live, instead of just trusting in the promises of God?
You are saying that salvation bears an obligation to obey, which means it's not a gift at all.
Also, you can't "walk away" of "give back" something that is not held by you at all. Our salvation is based on, and kept by, God. He guaranteed our salvation - so much so, that He said nothing in all creation can snatch us out of His hand. By saying one can walk away, or give back salvation, is to say a part of that creation (you) can do what God said can never be done.
To believe a different gospel means that, yes - they are going to hell. They have placed their faith, not in Christ alone, but in their own achievements + Christ.
People who do that believe just as the Catholics believe. They are working for their salvation.
There is but one way to heaven: By grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone - without the addition of works.
You cannot add anything to the gospel and have it remain a gift.
So then the person who is believing he must add works to his faith in order to be saved is believing another gospel: I agree - well-said!
Then such a person cannot be a Christian: because a Christian believes in the finished work of Jesus at Calvary and then is free to respond in works our of his love for Jesus.
Then such a person cannot be a Christian: because a Christian believes in the finished work of Jesus at Calvary and then is free to respond in works our of his love for Jesus.
Your reasoning makes short trips across your lines of logic leaping in great bounds of faithfulness from fact to your human conclusions.Well, my reasoning is based on His Word, and it is in my Spirit I rest to gain His conclusions. Certainly, I am only human which can event error, but God will show me, even then, where I went wrong. It is not that I don't trust enough, it that I trust completely that I conclude what he promises will happen in my life, despite the grind that comes from not understanding it all. I not only have been crucified with Christ, but I was boughten at a price, thus, of course I have an obligation to God, to a right relationship with Him, where He is God and I am His child. But, my obedience comes from being free and loved, not in fear, and needing to gain... for God tells me His yoke is easy, and His burden is light, which demonstrates His love relationship, which is a relationship of His will above my own, as a result the fact is a realness of Him in me, resulting in Him sharing His glory with me.
And finally, you have so underestimated the power God has given mans will. To choose the Spirit by which we are destined to result our outcome with. I agree nothing can alter the bridge God has willed in His Son for our Salvation, Conquering Sin, but because He wanted to love us and not be our dictator, He has ordained us to have choice throughout our life, hence the need for the Armor Of God; to maintain that which God has guaranteed, to stand on our rightful ground against the enemy that came to devour, and steal, and destroy. And for that love relationship of family, He allowed us to have the power to choose. Yes, God had to deal with Sin, but He so wants to share with us in His glory, we have been empowered to deal with sins by our will as He establishes our steps, transforming us into love. If we were "it's"; what you suggest may have been His will for us, but we are not "it's." He sees us as His children, whom he wants to invest in to become co-heirs with Him both as family and as pure, as pure as His Son is at His right Hand.
Are you a father? I am with three boy's and I delight in wanting to include them in all that is good in my life to become what is good themselves, not from expectation, but from love going alongside them to discover for themselves what it is God has shown me. This is the love God calls me to become, the greater things of life He knows that I have to listen to and obey to gain in the wholeness of His gift of unconditional love.
It simply comes down to "If God is for me who can be against me?" Thus, am I in Christ to be able to stand in my rightfully given free gift? For unless I am hidden in Christ, I must live to every part of the law on my merit, and that has been proven not to be possible. But in Him He will finish in us what he promised to finish: This is faith, which is what we must live by in His grace.
And finally, you have so underestimated the power God has given mans will. To choose the Spirit by which we are destined to result our outcome with. I agree nothing can alter the bridge God has willed in His Son for our Salvation, Conquering Sin, but because He wanted to love us and not be our dictator, He has ordained us to have choice throughout our life, hence the need for the Armor Of God; to maintain that which God has guaranteed, to stand on our rightful ground against the enemy that came to devour, and steal, and destroy. And for that love relationship of family, He allowed us to have the power to choose. Yes, God had to deal with Sin, but He so wants to share with us in His glory, we have been empowered to deal with sins by our will as He establishes our steps, transforming us into love. If we were "it's"; what you suggest may have been His will for us, but we are not "it's." He sees us as His children, whom he wants to invest in to become co-heirs with Him both as family and as pure, as pure as His Son is at His right Hand.
Are you a father? I am with three boy's and I delight in wanting to include them in all that is good in my life to become what is good themselves, not from expectation, but from love going alongside them to discover for themselves what it is God has shown me. This is the love God calls me to become, the greater things of life He knows that I have to listen to and obey to gain in the wholeness of His gift of unconditional love.
It simply comes down to "If God is for me who can be against me?" Thus, am I in Christ to be able to stand in my rightfully given free gift? For unless I am hidden in Christ, I must live to every part of the law on my merit, and that has been proven not to be possible. But in Him He will finish in us what he promised to finish: This is faith, which is what we must live by in His grace.
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Then read my first post of the thread - and believe what He said.
What made us "right" with Him and makes a relationship possible, is what Christ alone did on the cross. Not what you do now.
God doesn't share His glory with anyone. (Isaiah 42:8). All glory is His alone.
That's a contradiction. If God guarantees it, then He maintains it.
What made us "right" with Him and makes a relationship possible, is what Christ alone did on the cross. Not what you do now.
God doesn't share His glory with anyone. (Isaiah 42:8). All glory is His alone.
That's a contradiction. If God guarantees it, then He maintains it.
Point #1). Let me try to secure this in your memory: The bridge from heaven to us is succored by Jesus Christ on a Cross, to that I have only agreed with. Salvation is based on things already accomplished in Christ.
Point #2). In this I disagree wholeheartedly based on God's Word. We must align our will with His to allow His purposes to become realized. In the world you paint, Sin seems to be but a nuisance now, not holding any of God's judgement on it still. Has God pardoned sin, or sins to you? That is important to note. Why is Spiritual Warfare mentioned in the New Testament? Do you believe it is worth our effort to apply ourself to standing against Satan? If so, why, based on your position of us not needing to do anything? If not, why does Satan feel he has something to gain in our souls? What we do does matter in the real battle of Satan coming to steal, and destroy that which is not His, for we must stand, but based on what you say, why would we need to stand?
Point #3). "I will not yield my glory..." (Isaiah 42:8), is much different than I will share my glory with my Children. "Now if we are Children, then we are heirs -- heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in His sufferings in order that we may also share in His glory." (Romans 8:17).
Point #4). If God guarantees it, then He maintains it." I absolutely agree with you but for different reasons. The issue is, "Are you letting Him?" If anything outside of Christ is sin, we must let God do in us as we pick up our cross and follow Him daily, loving us with His grace to transform us into a thing of incomparable love and power, loving Him and others as Christ first loved us. Do you feel our fruit is evidence of the Spirit in you? Or do you feel we are our own God, whom can use the two different Spiritual options to create what we wish in God's free gift? If so, you underestimate the power of the Spirits, and overestimate your authority over them. God has ordained your will, not your authority.
Point #2). In this I disagree wholeheartedly based on God's Word. We must align our will with His to allow His purposes to become realized. In the world you paint, Sin seems to be but a nuisance now, not holding any of God's judgement on it still. Has God pardoned sin, or sins to you? That is important to note. Why is Spiritual Warfare mentioned in the New Testament? Do you believe it is worth our effort to apply ourself to standing against Satan? If so, why, based on your position of us not needing to do anything? If not, why does Satan feel he has something to gain in our souls? What we do does matter in the real battle of Satan coming to steal, and destroy that which is not His, for we must stand, but based on what you say, why would we need to stand?
Point #3). "I will not yield my glory..." (Isaiah 42:8), is much different than I will share my glory with my Children. "Now if we are Children, then we are heirs -- heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in His sufferings in order that we may also share in His glory." (Romans 8:17).
Point #4). If God guarantees it, then He maintains it." I absolutely agree with you but for different reasons. The issue is, "Are you letting Him?" If anything outside of Christ is sin, we must let God do in us as we pick up our cross and follow Him daily, loving us with His grace to transform us into a thing of incomparable love and power, loving Him and others as Christ first loved us. Do you feel our fruit is evidence of the Spirit in you? Or do you feel we are our own God, whom can use the two different Spiritual options to create what we wish in God's free gift? If so, you underestimate the power of the Spirits, and overestimate your authority over them. God has ordained your will, not your authority.
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So much in many of these threads anymore, whether grace/law,
water-baptism 'in order to' or 'because of', faith/works, etc.,
seems to come down one simple question.....
AM I SAVED?
A. Can anyone here answer YES?
B. Does anyone here answer NO?
C. Is anyone answering I'M NOT SURE?
God is not mad at you, no matter what you answer.
He loves you.
If you answer A, ... Praise the Lord!
If you answer B, ... Why not?
If you answer C, ... Let's talk.
water-baptism 'in order to' or 'because of', faith/works, etc.,
seems to come down one simple question.....
AM I SAVED?
A. Can anyone here answer YES?
B. Does anyone here answer NO?
C. Is anyone answering I'M NOT SURE?
God is not mad at you, no matter what you answer.
He loves you.
If you answer A, ... Praise the Lord!
If you answer B, ... Why not?
If you answer C, ... Let's talk.