God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

[eternally-gratefull]

"Teach"....and you used that word lightly. Lol. I try to be of the mind that I can learn something from anyone. The truth is with Jason is that his smug sanctimonious attitude is a total turn off for me and I can only get in the first few words from his posts before the gag reflex starts. His "enabler" in chief is a whole other issue and she is doing this poor guy no favors by encouraging his religaholic addiction.

his christianity turns off non believers to God. He demands something he can not even fulfill himself (only in his mind)

he refuses to look at himself in the eyes of God. he is to busy looking at himself from his own perspective to see the sin he so desperately needs to repent of. so the law can do its job and lead him to Christ.

 

[Sirk]

his christianity turns off non believers to God. He demands something he can not even fulfill himself (only in his mind)

he refuses to look at himself in the eyes of God. he is to busy looking at himself from his own perspective to see the sin he so desperately needs to repent of. so the law can do its job and lead him to Christ.

Jason exhibits many thinking errors that criminals possess. The one that stands out for me is "super-optimism". This hinders a persons ability to plan for the future as they have it "all sewn up". It's a pretty big glaring sin that I see with Jason.

the fact is that only God chooses to reveal and to conceal things such as this.

 

[Gr8grace]

God may hate the sin and love the sinner. But he also expects said sinner to cease repeating the sin.

Luke 12:34~~New American Standard Bible
"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

If we are growing in Grace and knowledge and learning the plan God has for our lives. We are living in the sphere of grace and not in our sin.

If we are growing in the flesh and the knowledge of our sin(fighting sin.) we are living in the sphere of our sin and not Grace.

It makes no sense to us, but if we give up on sin and fighting sin and just turn to His grace and knowledge, our treasure will be Him and our "battle" with sin, becomes His victory.( We will realize that He has already defeated sin)

 

[Chica]

You know guys, it's just as it was in the days of Isaiah:

That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the Lord:

Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophecy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. Isaiah 30:9-11

 

[Jason0047]

Im beginning to think Jason is some kind of universalist unitarian with a goal in life to see if he can twist every verse in the Bible to fit his false gods mold.

No, my friend. You would be wrong.

I believe in the Trinity (or the Godhead). That the Lord our God is one God and that He exists as three distinct persons (i.e. the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost) (1 John 5:7 KJV).

I believe Christ (the second person of the Godhead) is Eternal and uncreated and that He was made flesh by entering a virgin named Mary.

I am also not a Universalist. I believe a person (who first comes to Christ) must admit they are a sinner, and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior believing that He died on the cross for their sins, and that He was resurrected from the dead three days later. Then, once they are a believer, they must continue to abide in Christ and His words (i.e. His teachings as given to us according to the Bible or the Holy Scriptures).

I believe Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins on the cross so as to offer the free gift to all men openly or freely. For God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Then, once a person receives the free gift, they must then be responsible with that gift. They do this by living by faith.

I believe the Holy Scriptures or the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God (And that it is perfect and without error) and that there is no other authority on spiritual matters and in how to live this life properly.

 

[ember]

No, my friend. You would be wrong.

I believe in the Trinity (or the Godhead). That the Lord our God is one God and that He exists as three distinct persons (i.e. the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost) (1 John 5:7 KJV).

I believe Christ (the second person of the Godhead) is Eternal and uncreated and that He was made flesh by entering a virgin named Mary.

I am also not a Universalist. I believe a person (who first comes to Christ) must admit they are a sinner, and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior believing that He died on the cross for their sins, and that He was resurrected from the dead three days later. Then, once they are a believer, they must continue to abide in Christ and His words (i.e. His teachings as given to us according to the Bible or the Holy Scriptures).

I believe Jesus Christ paid the price for our sins on the cross so as to offer the free gift to all men openly or freely. For God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). Then, once a person receives the free gift, they must then be responsible with that gift. They do this by living by faith.

I believe the Holy Scriptures or the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God (And that it is perfect and without error) and that there is no other authority on spiritual matters and in how to live this life properly.

uh huh and don't forget to add that you also believe a person looses their salvation every time they sin which means salvation is a revolving door

and don't forget to add that you believe you do not sin..and you believe your self righteousness surpasses that of the Scribes and Pharisees

and don't forget to add that you constantly distort what other posters actually write in order to make it seem we live in sin and enjoy it

and one more thing.....mention that no matter how many times posters tell you that we do not believe we can live in sin and thumb our nose at our Creator, you will come back and distort that, and say that we enjoy sin and we are going to hell

yeah, it's really good to know what you actually believe, because you are not the squeaky clean super Christian you profess to be

 

[Chica]

Try tellin that bunch at Sodom and Gomorrah that God loved them but hated their sin. I can hear Him now, "I really love you guys but this has to be done for your own good".

The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence {{{his soul hateth}}}. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and a horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. Psalm 11:5,6

 

[Tankman131]

Why has everyone whospouts the cliche "god hates the sin, loves the sinner" completely ignored what i posted earlier? There are a lot of reasons to see that cliche as just that, a cliche, not theology.

That's NOT in the Bible! "Hate the sin; love the sinner"


And the origin of the phrase goes to - St. Augustine and Gandhi - it’s a bookend tie! The phrase itself as we know it came directly from Gandhi’s 1929 autobiography. However, in Augustine’s letter 211, written around 424, is the phrase,



... Hating the sin while claiming to love the sinner gives us an opportunity to place more emphasis on the shortcomings of others rather than ourselves. In Matthew 7, Jesus told us to judge not, lest we should be judged. Concerning sin, he told us not to fuss about the speck of sawdust in our brother or sister’s eye when we’re blinded by a 2x4 plank in our own eye. Or, in John 8, a group of people point out to Jesus a woman who had been caught in adultery and remind him that the law teaches she should be stoned to death, and they want his response, and he says, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” (John 8:7).

In other words, it is quite inappropriate for us to go around pointing out the faults, shortcomings, failures, and weaknesses of others when we still have so many of our own. “Hate the sin; love the sinner” fails to meet this test because it focuses not on our own sin, but on that of someone else. The Scriptures clearly teach that “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:32), but the caution for Christians is to remember that this applies to us on the inside as well as those we perceive to be on the outside, and perhaps we who live in stained-glass houses should think twice before we start throwing stones.

https://carm.org/does-god-hate-anyone

God is love (1 John 4:8), but God also punishes the sinner and hates all who do iniquity. God is not one sided. He is not simply an infinitely loving God. He is also infinitely just. He must deal with sin. He must punish the sinner.
In the truth of God's word, we find that the Lord has provided one way by which we may be saved. That single way is through Jesus' sacrifice. For all who trust in Him, salvation will come. But to those who turn away, God's wrath abides upon them: "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him," (John 3:36).
Does God hate anyone?

Does God hate anyone? The answer is yes.

• Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"
• Psalm 11:5, "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, and the one who loves violence His soul hates."
• Lev. 20:23, "Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them."
• Prov. 6:16-19, "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven whichare an abomination to Him: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19 A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
• Hosea 9:15, "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels."

Are we to love the sinner but hate the sin?

Even as Christians, we cannot love perfectly, nor can we hate perfectly (i.e., without malice). But God can do both of these perfectly, because He is God. God can hate without any sinful intent. Therefore, He can hate the sin and the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith (Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9).

Read more: Are we to love the sinner but hate the sin?

Do you love us enough to hear our heart?
10. Avoid hate the sin, love the sinner rhetoric


Now take a minute to listen to yourselves. Hate the sin, love the sinner comes across as mean-spirited instead of loving. We hear it as an ill-disguised attempt to seem loving when you really don't even like us let alone love us.

When it comes to sexual orientation, it is impossible to separate the sin from the sinner. Your heterosexual orientation is not something you do, it's who you are. In the same way, our orientation is not something we do, it's who we are. You can't hate our “sin” without hating us. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. I'm just telling you how we perceive your rhetoric.

 

[Jason0047]

What does it mean to hate? Hate means that you absolutely despise that person and you desire ill will and bad intent towards them. See, God cannot do that. Folks say God can hate but without malice. Such a thing is a contradiction in terms. If one hates, one has malice or bad intent. There is a difference between hate and anger. I can get angry at someone I love, but I do not hate them. See, God made man in His image. Do you honestly think God would create man in His image just so He could hate him? You know. God is powerful enough to not create people that would cause Him so much hatred. The Scriptures say Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. So how is it possible He moved beyond His hatred for us as sinners in order to love us enough as sinners to die for us? Hello?

As I said before, we are told in the New Testament to hate our own lives and to hate our brother and mother. Does that mean we really are to hate our blood relatives because of Christ? No. God commands us to love even our enemies and to pray for them. This verse is letting us know that "hate" is a lesser degree of love. So when we see other passages of God saying how He hates or abhors, we have to look at it in the context in the light of the rest of Scripture. Otherwise you will have a contradiction. But hey. If you favor seeing God as hateful over those verses that clearly shows His love whereby He died for us while we were yet sinners.... but all means.... think what you will. For there is no Scripture that says...

God is hate. I see the Scriptures say... God is love.

Basically what folks here are saying is that there is a good version of hate. But see the problem here is that we are to conform to the image of Christ. So if God can hate perfectly righteous, then that means we can do the same thing. We can hate people, too. But does that sound right to you? Well, Paul says that "hate" is one of the types of sins that will cause one not to inherit the Kingdom of God. Anyways, I will let Emperor Palpatine talk to you into continuing down the darkside if that is what you want.

[VIDEO=youtube;PFkAAvDkj9k]https://youtu.be/PFkAAvDkj9k[/VIDEO]

But I am telling you by the love of the Spirit that such a thing is not of God.
For we as believers are called to love and not to hate.
Why? Because God is our example.

 

[Sirk]

What does it mean to hate? Hate means that you absolutely despise that person and you desire ill will and bad intent towards them. See, God cannot do that. Folks say God can hate but without malice. Such a thing is a contradiction in terms. If one hates, one has malice or bad intent. There is a difference between hate and anger. I can get angry at someone I love, but I do not hate them. See, God made man in His image. Do you honestly think God would create man in His image just so He could hate him? You know. God is powerful enough to not create people that would cause Him so much hatred. The Scriptures say Christ died for us while we were yet sinners. So how is it possible He moved beyond His hatred for us as sinners in order to love us enough as sinners to die for us? Hello?

As I said before, we are told in the New Testament to hate our own lives and to hate our brother and mother. Does that mean we really are to hate our blood relatives because of Christ? No. God commands us to love even our enemies and to pray for them. This verse is letting us know that "hate" is a lesser degree of love. So when we see other passages of God saying how He hates or abhors, we have to look at it in the context in the light of the rest of Scripture. Otherwise you will have a contradiction. But hey. If you favor seeing God as hateful over those verses that clearly shows His love whereby He died for us while we were yet sinners.... but all means.... think what you will. For there is no Scripture that says...

God is hate. I see the Scriptures say... God is love.

Basically what folks here are saying is that there is a good version of hate. But see the problem here is that we are to conform to the image of Christ. So if God can hate perfectly righteous, then that means we can do the same thing. We can hate people, too. But does that sound right to you? Well, Paul says that "hate" is one of the types of sins that will cause one not to inherit the Kingdom of God. Anyways, I will let Emperor Palpatine talk to you into continuing down the darkside if that is what you want.

[VIDEO=youtube;PFkAAvDkj9k]https://youtu.be/PFkAAvDkj9k[/VIDEO]

But I am telling you by the love of the Spirit that such a thing is not of God.

Look jason...if you have 12 chickens and one of them is red, 3 you got in the mail from Ohio and the other 11 were orphaned on the account of you best friends neighbors cat....there is no way the mail man, or woman, whatever the case may be, is gonna make it to their doctor appointment on time. You just can't put pizza sauce on cantelope.

 

[Chica]

Look jason...if you have 12 chickens and one of them is red, 3 you got in the mail from Ohio and the other 11 were orphaned on the account of you best friends neighbors cat....there is no way the mail man, or woman, whatever the case may be, is gonna make it to their doctor appointment on time. You just can't put pizza sauce on cantelope.

Wouldn't that make 14 instead of 12? Hey just a thought.

 

[Gr8grace]

Look jason...if you have 12 chickens and one of them is red, 3 you got in the mail from Ohio and the other 11 were orphaned on the account of you best friends neighbors cat....there is no way the mail man, or woman, whatever the case may be, is gonna make it to their doctor appointment on time. You just can't put pizza sauce on cantelope.

You know if everybody could be this clear, we would have no misunderstandings around here.

Well said, brother

 

[Tankman131]

Look jason...if you have 12 chickens and one of them is red, 3 you got in the mail from Ohio and the other 11 were orphaned on the account of you best friends neighbors cat....there is no way the mail man, or woman, whatever the case may be, is gonna make it to their doctor appointment on time. You just can't put pizza sauce on cantelope.

Lol your response made just as much sense as his did, and it contained just as much scripture

 

[Tankman131]

Look jason...if you have 12 chickens and one of them is red, 3 you got in the mail from Ohio and the other 11 were orphaned on the account of you best friends neighbors cat....there is no way the mail man, or woman, whatever the case may be, is gonna make it to their doctor appointment on time. You just can't put pizza sauce on cantelope.

Also, that depends on whether it is a pizza or a calzone. The Bible doesn't always mean pizza when it says pizza.

 

[Jason0047]

God may hate the sin and love the sinner. But he also expects said sinner to cease repeating the sin.

Yep. I agree totally. Most others here will not agree with that, though.

 

[Sirk]

Okay guys now listen to me. If there is on truth that I need you to hear...its that I am pretty sure that there is no air in a vacuum. Especially those old Electrolux models that mom used to have....you know...the ones that like a cigar shaped ufo? Anyhow...back to my original point....if a light pole is missing the light bulb...chances are you wont be able to turn it on.

 

[Jeff_56]

who WHO who WHO worships demons? (in red, underlined, etc, et al)
everything they do is defiled. not just some things, some days, no, everything, every day from the core of their being(empty and void of good and completely full of evil as it is )

Darby Bible Translation
But that what [the nations] sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God. Now I do not wish you to be in communion with demons.

English Revised Version
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with devils.

Revelation 9:20
The <<<rest of mankind>>>>>> who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.


Flee from Idolatry
…19What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.…

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But that which the pagans sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; but I do not want you to be partakers with demons.

Moses did NOT make it up. It was this Same ONE whose name is called the Word of God,
who instructed Moses what to write in Torah. This Same ONE said that we will only think
we understand Him, but we can NOT understand Him, unless we BELIEVE and RECEIVE
as TRUTH, what Moses was given to record, KNOWING that, God IS God, God can NOT
lie, and God does NOT Change.



John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Sirk]

Has anyone else ever noticed how pine trees and wiffle balls don't make very good breakfast cereal? There's a sign somewhere that probably indicates that. If you don't have good golf etiquette it's kinda spooky. 7 is a good number. Beep beep.

 

[Sirk]

who WHO who WHO worships demons? (in red, underlined, etc, et al)
everything they do is defiled. not just some things, some days, no, everything, every day from the core of their being(empty and void of good and completely full of evil as it is )

Darby Bible Translation
But that what [the nations] sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God. Now I do not wish you to be in communion with demons.

English Revised Version
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with devils.

Revelation 9:20
The <<<rest of mankind>>>>>> who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.


Flee from Idolatry
…19What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.…

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But that which the pagans sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; but I do not want you to be partakers with demons.

Moses did NOT make it up. It was this Same ONE whose name is called the Word of God,
who instructed Moses what to write in Torah. This Same ONE said that we will only think
we understand Him, but we can NOT understand Him, unless we BELIEVE and RECEIVE
as TRUTH, what Moses was given to record, KNOWING that, God IS God, God can NOT
lie, and God does NOT Change.



John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.

 

[Jason0047]

uh huh and don't forget to add that you also believe a person looses their salvation every time they sin which means salvation is a revolving door

Your issue is not with me, but it is with Scripture.

For here is a list of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith.

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

• Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)

• Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)

• The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)

• Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)

• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)

• Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14, 15)

• Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8, 9, 10)

• Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11)

• Balaam (Numbers chapters 22, 23, 24) (Numbers 31:8) (Joshua 13:22) (Jude 1:11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

• The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45, 46)

• Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)

• The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14, 15)

• Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)

• Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)

• Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5, 6)

• Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)

• Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)

• Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7, 8)

• The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
  (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21).


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