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Again you do not know God neither do you know His nature:
God is Just: As you have seen from the comments already given to you, He cant just "let people off"....that would not be Just.
God is an All Consuming Holy Fire: In the same way if you put wood into fire the wood will burn, its the nature of fire. If you stand before A Holy God who is an All Consuming Holy Fire your sin will burn, and it will burn for eternity. In the Book of Daniel in one of his visions he saw a river of fire coming out from the throne of God. In Revelation it describes a lake of fire, the second death, the eternal punishment. How can you seriously think a person with a lifetime of sin can stand before their maker and not feel the burning punishment of their sin? God cannot go against His very nature. God knew this was a HUGE issue and will be a HUGE issue so did something amazing to resolve this issue.
Gods nature is pure love, a love that is deeper than the ocean: God, who is 3 people, Father son and Holy Spirit put their plan to work to redeem mankind. The Son, who was there in the beginning (let US make man in OUR own image) LEFT heaven to be born of a woman, fully man ; fully God both at the same time. He took on the WORLDS sin's punishment so that now, there is a way for sin to be dealt with....both Love and Just being upheld. Anyone who truly repents He will forgive, get rid of their sin...and He has a right to because He took the punishment for it. He will restore that person, heal them, give them abundant life on earth and when they die and stand before a Holy All Consuming fire their sin will not burn because it has been washed away with Jesus blood.
No other religion has this. No other religion can deal with sin. Jesus said He is the WAY, the TRUTH, The LIFE...NO ONE comes to the Father accept through Him. He paid the ultimate price so we can be restored to a relationship with Him because He loves us and does NOT want us to burn for eternity. Man has freewill.....always has....we are not robots....and if people choose to reject what He has done, and want to hold onto their sin what more can He do to show His love? Go against His very nature? Stop being Just? Stop being an All Consuming Holy Fire? It is man that needs to change. Not God
God is Just: As you have seen from the comments already given to you, He cant just "let people off"....that would not be Just.
God is an All Consuming Holy Fire: In the same way if you put wood into fire the wood will burn, its the nature of fire. If you stand before A Holy God who is an All Consuming Holy Fire your sin will burn, and it will burn for eternity. In the Book of Daniel in one of his visions he saw a river of fire coming out from the throne of God. In Revelation it describes a lake of fire, the second death, the eternal punishment. How can you seriously think a person with a lifetime of sin can stand before their maker and not feel the burning punishment of their sin? God cannot go against His very nature. God knew this was a HUGE issue and will be a HUGE issue so did something amazing to resolve this issue.
Gods nature is pure love, a love that is deeper than the ocean: God, who is 3 people, Father son and Holy Spirit put their plan to work to redeem mankind. The Son, who was there in the beginning (let US make man in OUR own image) LEFT heaven to be born of a woman, fully man ; fully God both at the same time. He took on the WORLDS sin's punishment so that now, there is a way for sin to be dealt with....both Love and Just being upheld. Anyone who truly repents He will forgive, get rid of their sin...and He has a right to because He took the punishment for it. He will restore that person, heal them, give them abundant life on earth and when they die and stand before a Holy All Consuming fire their sin will not burn because it has been washed away with Jesus blood.
No other religion has this. No other religion can deal with sin. Jesus said He is the WAY, the TRUTH, The LIFE...NO ONE comes to the Father accept through Him. He paid the ultimate price so we can be restored to a relationship with Him because He loves us and does NOT want us to burn for eternity. Man has freewill.....always has....we are not robots....and if people choose to reject what He has done, and want to hold onto their sin what more can He do to show His love? Go against His very nature? Stop being Just? Stop being an All Consuming Holy Fire? It is man that needs to change. Not God
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It was not His idea. Satan and his angels forced His hand by rebelling. Angels only get one choice (it's their nature as pure spirits). We get many, since we have a body. We force His hand too. That's why when we sin we suffer on earth. God is hoping we will change from the experience. If we will not change while we have the chance, we die in separation from Him. That's why He sent Jesus; Jesus makes it possible for us to change.
God for His part, simply wants to love and bless us. He knows certain actions block Him. He tells us what those actions (called sin) are, lets us suffer if we do something wrong, so we can learn how to accept all His love. In His love, He has given us eternal life, and unlike the angels, time to learn how to live in it by experience. In eternity, we will not be confused by who/what he is; we need to learn that here, where the problems are. If we die without turning to Him, when we rise again to be blessed by that eternal life, as are angels, we find ourselves too distant from Him for reconciliation at that point. The fire comes from our own recognition that we have failed. We burn to be with Him, and cannot. He knew this would happen ahead of time, because that's how the angels worked out, so He gives us earth to give us time to learn.
There is no Biblical proof anyone will ever be in hell. In fact, one can believe, if one chooses, that no one ever dies without Jesus first coming to Him personally and explaining all this.
There is no reason there even needs to be problems on the earth that cause us to suffer. God started out wanting to bless us, but a big part of that blessing was having us say yes to Him. Instead, we said no. Not just Adam and Eve; "Adam" in Hebrew means humanity. The story says that we all have a natural desire to say no and want to do it our way. You even show you have it, when you give God 3 more years, or else, right?
God for His part, simply wants to love and bless us. He knows certain actions block Him. He tells us what those actions (called sin) are, lets us suffer if we do something wrong, so we can learn how to accept all His love. In His love, He has given us eternal life, and unlike the angels, time to learn how to live in it by experience. In eternity, we will not be confused by who/what he is; we need to learn that here, where the problems are. If we die without turning to Him, when we rise again to be blessed by that eternal life, as are angels, we find ourselves too distant from Him for reconciliation at that point. The fire comes from our own recognition that we have failed. We burn to be with Him, and cannot. He knew this would happen ahead of time, because that's how the angels worked out, so He gives us earth to give us time to learn.
There is no Biblical proof anyone will ever be in hell. In fact, one can believe, if one chooses, that no one ever dies without Jesus first coming to Him personally and explaining all this.
There is no reason there even needs to be problems on the earth that cause us to suffer. God started out wanting to bless us, but a big part of that blessing was having us say yes to Him. Instead, we said no. Not just Adam and Eve; "Adam" in Hebrew means humanity. The story says that we all have a natural desire to say no and want to do it our way. You even show you have it, when you give God 3 more years, or else, right?
Mans law is not just. When a person breaks the law, (mans law) he is punished. People are brainwashed to believe, “wrong must be punished.”
They can not understand only Gods law, is the law. Under Gods Law if you do wrong, you can ask to be forgiven, and you are forgiven, Every thing we do has a consequence. God will forgive your wrong…but you still have the consequence to deal with.
Mans law not only want you to deal with the consequence, but also be punished.
Some carry mans law over to Gods…”you did a bad thing…Gods going to punish you.” Not so if you ask for forgiveness. The consequence? You are stuck with that like super glue.
They can not understand only Gods law, is the law. Under Gods Law if you do wrong, you can ask to be forgiven, and you are forgiven, Every thing we do has a consequence. God will forgive your wrong…but you still have the consequence to deal with.
Mans law not only want you to deal with the consequence, but also be punished.
Some carry mans law over to Gods…”you did a bad thing…Gods going to punish you.” Not so if you ask for forgiveness. The consequence? You are stuck with that like super glue.
Dekote?
Have you ever taken a test? I am sure that you have. Why do you have to take tests? What are they for?
If I MADE you love me, would you? Or is it only possible to love by choosing to do so freely?
I could make a robot but it would not be capable of loving me.
If I had a child, the child could choose to love me or hate me. If they hated me, that would hurt but I would love the child anyways. But if they loved me, that would certainly be something wonderful because they were doing it because they chose to.
God could have created robots, but that is not what God was after. God wanted love. Maybe not everyone loves Him, but the only way that He could have those that would love Him, was to let them choose. So did He make a mistake? Or did He do what was necessary?
Have you ever taken a test? I am sure that you have. Why do you have to take tests? What are they for?
If I MADE you love me, would you? Or is it only possible to love by choosing to do so freely?
I could make a robot but it would not be capable of loving me.
If I had a child, the child could choose to love me or hate me. If they hated me, that would hurt but I would love the child anyways. But if they loved me, that would certainly be something wonderful because they were doing it because they chose to.
God could have created robots, but that is not what God was after. God wanted love. Maybe not everyone loves Him, but the only way that He could have those that would love Him, was to let them choose. So did He make a mistake? Or did He do what was necessary?
Ah... this is a mistake that many make. "can do whatever he wants"
The key is knowing what God wants. Firstly, God will not lie. This means that He does not change His mind. If He says something, it is that way for all time. This way you can trust that what He says is true. He wants us to be able to trust Him.
He is not like people that will tell you something one day and then change their mind later on. What He says is true forever. So, even if God wanted to do anything, He could not because then He would become a liar. But God doesn't want to do just anything. He does exactly what He says.
Get it?
The key is knowing what God wants. Firstly, God will not lie. This means that He does not change His mind. If He says something, it is that way for all time. This way you can trust that what He says is true. He wants us to be able to trust Him.
He is not like people that will tell you something one day and then change their mind later on. What He says is true forever. So, even if God wanted to do anything, He could not because then He would become a liar. But God doesn't want to do just anything. He does exactly what He says.
Get it?
Yes you are right and that is why Christ went to the cross to go this for you
Colossians 1:14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1:21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
The above was done at the cross for you before you were ever born foryou to escape the ways of this evil world though beloief of waht he did at the cross for you.
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Romans 5:10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Ephesians 1:7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Hebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Seek the redemption and liufe in christ via back at the resurrection and be freed here and now Sister
In the miraculous love of God
Colossians 1:14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 1:21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
The above was done at the cross for you before you were ever born foryou to escape the ways of this evil world though beloief of waht he did at the cross for you.
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Romans 5:10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Ephesians 1:7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Hebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Seek the redemption and liufe in christ via back at the resurrection and be freed here and now Sister
In the miraculous love of God
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It is only a mistake if you assume the purpose is for Him to be loved back. That is not the purpose. The purpose is for Him to love them. He does that either way. If they can choose not to love Him, He just loves them harder, hoping they will change, just like a parent does to a child who becomes addicted to drugs, for example. It's not a mistake because it fulfills His purpose.
You are not a robot, if all you are doing is enjoying the choices you made. I am a retired college teacher. I receive not only social security, but a pension as well. These payments show up in my bank account on certain days without fail, just like a robot was putting them there. I get to enjoy the results of my work for the rest of my life, without working if I choose not to. That's how heaven works. You get to enjoy the results of God's love forever, without having to have it interrupted by sin anymore. But if I had not done the work, that money would not be coming into my bank account, and I would need to go on public assistance, fill out paperwork, keep appointments with case workers, etc., for the rest of my life, or hold a job no matter how tired my body got and wanted to slow down. I couldn't eat whatever I want, or take vacations if I want to, and maybe not even afford central air conditioning, maybe not even a place to live. That's how hell works. For eternity, you are forced to not enjoy the love of God, because that was the choice you made.
You are not a robot, if all you are doing is enjoying the choices you made. I am a retired college teacher. I receive not only social security, but a pension as well. These payments show up in my bank account on certain days without fail, just like a robot was putting them there. I get to enjoy the results of my work for the rest of my life, without working if I choose not to. That's how heaven works. You get to enjoy the results of God's love forever, without having to have it interrupted by sin anymore. But if I had not done the work, that money would not be coming into my bank account, and I would need to go on public assistance, fill out paperwork, keep appointments with case workers, etc., for the rest of my life, or hold a job no matter how tired my body got and wanted to slow down. I couldn't eat whatever I want, or take vacations if I want to, and maybe not even afford central air conditioning, maybe not even a place to live. That's how hell works. For eternity, you are forced to not enjoy the love of God, because that was the choice you made.
So Dekote, you get to be in charge, yoiu are the master builder asnd you have yuor reasons for nwaht is done, because you ahve a look into the future and you see who is going to do waht by their experiences, re4member yuor creation is aware of good and bad. Now also your creation one calls good another calls bad.
Now you love your creation, but your creation is selfish, how do you fix that and stillbe able toclaim you love yuor creation all of it good or bad?
Do you agree about do not harm another?
Waht harm in God doing what God did through his Son? Why would Christ go to his death unless it accomplished the Mercy God was giving to all people good or bad. Now to go to ones death for the whole world tobe forgiven is love betond you and I or any creation.
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
1 John 1:5[ Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness ] This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
Ephesians 1:7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
Now if this is not good news to you and you don't want it it is your free choice and when the tine comes you will not have an excuse just like those that fake beleif for thier own gain will have arlready gotten thier reward
So now is your time to want to know God and be his creation or be a creatoryuorself as waht most people are doing being creators
God has offered a most special gift and in this package is first Forgiveness before any one of us here today have been born and in this gift of forgiveness is offered new life by the resurrection of Christ, and it is allfreely given no strings attached.
Your choice in love to you Dekote. Now if or since God loved the whole your view of mistake has been corrected by the cross of Christ and there is no:
Hebrews 9:22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
How many people do you know would go to death for the ones thay love let alone the ones that do not love you back
Romans 5:8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 Corinthians 15:3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
Now you love your creation, but your creation is selfish, how do you fix that and stillbe able toclaim you love yuor creation all of it good or bad?
Do you agree about do not harm another?
Waht harm in God doing what God did through his Son? Why would Christ go to his death unless it accomplished the Mercy God was giving to all people good or bad. Now to go to ones death for the whole world tobe forgiven is love betond you and I or any creation.
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
1 John 1:5[ Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness ] This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
Ephesians 1:7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
Now if this is not good news to you and you don't want it it is your free choice and when the tine comes you will not have an excuse just like those that fake beleif for thier own gain will have arlready gotten thier reward
So now is your time to want to know God and be his creation or be a creatoryuorself as waht most people are doing being creators
God has offered a most special gift and in this package is first Forgiveness before any one of us here today have been born and in this gift of forgiveness is offered new life by the resurrection of Christ, and it is allfreely given no strings attached.
Your choice in love to you Dekote. Now if or since God loved the whole your view of mistake has been corrected by the cross of Christ and there is no:
Hebrews 9:22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
How many people do you know would go to death for the ones thay love let alone the ones that do not love you back
Romans 5:8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
1 Corinthians 15:3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
