God or Guns?

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MidniteWelder

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I can't. A deadly weapon is an essential piece of equipment for a killer. A killer is no good without a deadly weapon. This is why deadly weapons should be banned.
If I may point out it is not so much the weapon used, but the intent and motive behind the act.
When a murder is commited the courts do not punish the gun but the perpetrator.
As well a gun equalizes the playing field for the attacker and the victim.
A 220 pound mugger against a 105 pound 75 year old lady.
A gun in the hand of the lady now has a more equalized advantage against a would be attacker.

Another point, lets say 2 people have guns and face off, a thief without training and a law abiding citizen with training.
Now that the playing field is again equalized the one not with the gun will have the advantage in this scenario but the one with training.
Similarly in some parts once a person gets to a certain point in a form of martial arts training it is requested they register not any weapon.
But themselves........as a deadly weapon.
So do we now ban training?

If we take it from the beginning, the first murder
8Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.”d And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

I dont see any mention of a weapon here

Therefore it is not weapons that should be banned, nor people which are the effectual perpetrators of murder.

It is ignorance or being mistaught which should be put away
And enlightenment and knowledge replaced in its stead.
Knowing the Lord, the bible, loving your neighbor as yourself, practicing compassion and mercy.
This is what prevents murder.
Ive seen it, Ive done, Ive come between two dogs at one another throats gnashing their teeth and pulled them apart, and calmed them, soothed their instincts.
Ive done the same with people, focusing on the same driven instincts.
Coming in between two attackers and enlightening them to what their own actions and the consequences thereof while in the miodst of a heated fight.
Only to see them lower their heads and concur, that what I was suggesting was truth.
Much the same with how pregnancy is prevented with teenagers by way of teaching them properly which instills self discipline.
The practice of self discipline by way of education in order to master the will of the flesh prevents iniquity.
As God said:
7If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.”

This is called being meek, knowing ones power and what they are capable of and using it properly, justly, nobly and honorably and for the Lords will.
Power under control, just as Christ demonstrated.
Like this scripture for instance
Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
If there is never any justifiable reason for war or self defense for a just cause, why would Christ himself have even laid out this threat, which is exactly what it is.
Its like saying to a would be attacker
"Do you not know I could pull this .38 out from behind my back pocket, now walk away and think twice next time and choose a different path, youve just been spared and shown mercy."

Im not directing these statements to you brother, just trying to point out, a weapon isnt needed.
The motive is
What a weapon is for is like backup to offset the odds in favor of the defender in order to fend off those with ill intent.
But make no mistake, the mind is the most effective weapon(or better worded ...most effective tool)
Since thats all a gun is anyway, is a tool used to perform a duty by a person.
 

Grandpa

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These things are not designed with the intention of killing but the gun is.
Yes it is. Same with a sword.

Demands respect doesn't it?

People get real polite when someone is carrying a gun. Have you ever noticed that??
 

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Yes it is. Same with a sword.

Demands respect doesn't it?

People get real polite when someone is carrying a gun. Have you ever noticed that??
There's a thing swords are banned in the UK the same as knives, unless it is a small pocket knife. I think the Brits are far more sensible.
 
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so how do the people in the UK butcher their cows?
 

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hmmmm.... dinner forks??? High heeled shoes??? walking sticks??? pens and pencils???
I don't think anyone intent on massacring a classroom of children will use dinner forks et al.
 

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so how do the people in the UK butcher their cows?
In an abattoir under controlled conditions. Can you not spot the difference between butchering a cow and the murder of people?
 

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There's a thing swords are banned in the UK the same as knives, unless it is a small pocket knife. I think the Brits are far more sensible.
You're probably right.

Americans have always had a bit of a rebellious streak with a healthy helping of distrust of govt. getting too powerful...

But hey, I'm sure conditions in your country have gotten better and better since the banning of guns, swords and knives...

Nice, sensible, civilized Brits. How's the socialism working for you guys? Looks like we'll be following suit, real, real soon...

Isn't it funny how govt. always says they need more power and more money so they can improve the quality of life of its citizens? And then when they get the power and the money they seem to forget all the quality of life stuff...?

Maybe funny was the wrong word. Perhaps tragic... Or inevitable... sad...? Someone help me out...
 

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I don't think anyone intent on massacring a classroom of children will use dinner forks et al.
What about medicine or vaccinations?

Lets forget seat belts for now...
 
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Isn't it funny how govt. always says they need more power and more money so they can improve the quality of life of its citizens? And then when they get the power and the money they seem to forget all the quality of life stuff...?[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Maybe funny was the wrong word. Perhaps tragic... Or inevitable... sad...? Someone help me out...
Isn't it EVIL/ TYRANICAL/ DIABOLICAL how govt......

Ya like any of those better????
 

iog

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Here is where you are wrong.
The red revolution collected the guns, as did communist China.
See,.......reprobates enjoy turkey shoots.
Tyrants are tyrants because the people they tyrant over are unable to defend themselves.
Read Soljenitsin if you are serious. He tells about how it was in uncle joe stalin's mother russia.
Should a Christian own a gun?

What weapon did Jesus carry?
 

iog

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original post - spiritual warfare not physical warfare -- Jesus told his disciples to bring a sword for protection. Our battle isn't just against flesh and blood, yes but people are still evil without the help of Satan
What about what is written here?

Amos 3:6-7 (KJV)
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it ? [7] Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Can evil come into a city without The Lord bringing it?

What can a weapon of war do against the evil (satan ) brings
 

iog

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There is a time for weapons but at this time these are not Christians here in the valley of Jehoshaphat

Joel 3:9-12 (KJV)
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: [10] Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. [11] Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord . [12] Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
 

iog

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Ecclesiastes 9:16-18 (KJV)
Then said I, Wisdom is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard. [17] The words of wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools. [18] Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

Wisdom is better than weapons
 

iog

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What weapons are the servants of God should really use?

2 Corinthians 10:2-5 (KJV)
But I beseech you , that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. [3] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: [4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
 

iog

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Romans 13:12-13 (KJV)
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. [13] Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

What does a carnal weapon do against the wiles of the devil

Ephesians 6:11-18 (KJV)
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places . [13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. [17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: [18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

God gave us weapons to arm ourselves with
 

iog

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Guns = death

The wages of sins is death

Thou shalt not kill

Our babies are dying
Our children are dying
Our wives, mothers, sister and women are dying

Because someone has a gun

What is also sad is these are Christians of the flock
 

iog

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Where is he?

Psalm 34:7 (KJV)
The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.

The Christian suppose to have the hedge around them. There is no need for us to carry a weapon