God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels

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throughfaith

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Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
“Preached before THE GOSPEL” is a reference to some good news preached to Abraham. It was the New Testament Gospel only in general typology and only then in reference to one part of the New Testament Gospel: the death of Christ to make the Spirit available
 

throughfaith

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He is our example of how we also can find Jesus in the scriptures and it is up to us to mine the scriptures like gold. God is no respecter of persons, what He revealed to Paul He will reveal to us if we seek Him and seek wisdom in the word as hid treasure.
You could mine the scriptures to the cows come home ,without Paul's letters you would have no clue.
 

throughfaith

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Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
The “seed” of Galatians 3:16, 19 is the seed promised in Genesis 15:5 and mentioned in Genesis 18:18.
 
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Live4Him

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He is our example of how we also can find Jesus in the scriptures and it is up to us to mine the scriptures like gold. God is no respecter of persons, what He revealed to Paul He will reveal to us if we seek Him and seek wisdom in the word as hid treasure.
I totally agree.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Thanks for your non-answer.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many who claim to be born again or indwelt by "the Spirit of truth" cannot honestly answer simple questions.

If you cannot explain to me what you believe "it literally says", then I see no need to continue this conversation.
Sadly we have a few here who are that way, Totally unable to answer basic simple questions when they are asked.

And then act like its our fault
 
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Live4Him

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#67
The Lord does NOT preach the death, burial, and resurrection to Abraham as such, although He foresees the death, burial, and resurrection of His Son at this time. Abraham only “sees Christ’s day” (John 8:56) in the sense that he manifested that he had enough faith to believe in the physical resurrection of Isaac
Who is "the LORD" who appeared unto Abraham in Genesis chapter 18 and who ate with him?
 
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Live4Him said:
Who is "the LORD" who appeared unto Abraham in Genesis chapter 18 and who ate with him?
Does it say Abraham believed the DBR ,for his sins?
Yet another non-answer.

Let's try this again:

Who is "the LORD" who appeared unto Abraham in Genesis chapter 18 and who ate with him?
 
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Live4Him

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#70
Does it say Abraham believed the DBR ,for his sins?
You tell me:

Hebrews chapter 11

[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12] Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13] These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14] For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15] And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16] But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

In your estimation, how did Abraham, by faith, expect to make it into the HEAVENLY CITY, which he had not only seen afar off, but was persuaded of as well, apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead?
 

throughfaith

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#71
Yet another non-answer.

Let's try this again:

Who is "the LORD" who appeared unto Abraham in Genesis chapter 18 and who ate with him?
1¶And the LORD( Yĕhovah) appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
 

throughfaith

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#72
You tell me:

Hebrews chapter 11

[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12] Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13] These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14] For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15] And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16] But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

In your estimation, how did Abraham, by faith, expect to make it into the HEAVENLY CITY, which he had not only seen afar off, but was persuaded of as well, apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead?
The same as all OT saints through faith and obedience.
 
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Live4Him

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Live4Him said:
You tell me:

Hebrews chapter 11

[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12] Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13] These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14] For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15] And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16] But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

In your estimation, how did Abraham, by faith, expect to make it into the HEAVENLY CITY, which he had not only seen afar off, but was persuaded of as well, apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead?
The same as all OT saints through faith and obedience.
"Through faith" in what or whom?

Are you preaching a resurrection from the dead apart from faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead?
 

throughfaith

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You tell me:

Hebrews chapter 11

[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12] Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13] These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14] For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15] And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16] But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

In your estimation, how did Abraham, by faith, expect to make it into the HEAVENLY CITY, which he had not only seen afar off, but was persuaded of as well, apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead?
Take all the information about Abraham and calculate what you think he knew and believed and you will be speculating and assuming . Which is what your doing ..
This is as much as were given .
Hebrews 11:19

“Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
 

throughfaith

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#76
"Through faith" in what or whom?

Are you preaching a resurrection from the dead apart from faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead?
Depends on who . Take a look at Hebrews 11 and see what each had to believe and DO .
 
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Take all the information about Abraham and calculate what you think he knew and believed and you will be speculating and assuming . Which is what your doing ..
This is as much as were given .
Hebrews 11:19

“Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
You do realize that Satan is the father of lies, right?

If so, then why do you keep on lying?

I just quoted you the verses which immediately precede your typical "selective quote", and they give us plenty of more information about Abraham and his faith.

Like it or not (obviously not...why do you so tenaciously cling to your error?), Abraham was looking for A HEAVENLY CITY or THE NEW JERUSALEM, and he wasn't expecting to get there apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead as well.

You're in error.

Repent of your pride before it potentially leads to your fall.
 
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Live4Him

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#78
Depends on who . Take a look at Hebrews 11 and see what each had to believe and DO .
"Depends on who"?

For crying out loud, I asked you specifically about ABRAHAM.

Here it is, again:

Hebrews chapter 11

[8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11] Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12] Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13] These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14] For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15] And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16] But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

In your estimation, how did Abraham, by faith, expect to make it into the HEAVENLY CITY, which he had not only seen afar off, but was persuaded of as well, apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead?

Do you honestly believe that you're fooling anyone here with your deliberately evasive non-answers and your "selective quotes"?

News flash!

Some of us have actually read the entire Bible for ourselves, so don't play us for dumb animals.

Personally, I've read most, if not all, of Paul's epistles 100 times or more, so stop trying to play me for a fool.
 

throughfaith

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#79
You do realize that Satan is the father of lies, right?

If so, then why do you keep on lying?

I just quoted you the verses which immediately precede your typical "selective quote", and they give us plenty of more information about Abraham and his faith.

Like it or not (obviously not...why do you so tenaciously cling to your error?), Abraham was looking for A HEAVENLY CITY or THE NEW JERUSALEM, and he wasn't expecting to get there apart from Christ's death, burial, and resurrection from the dead and his own resurrection from the dead as well.

You're in error.

Repent of your pride before it potentially leads to your fall.
From your pic I.ll take a guess you are a man. You need to put on your big boy pants and man up dude.
 
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From your pic I.ll take a guess you are a man. You need to put on your big boy pants and man up dude.
...said the person who runs away like a scared little child every time he's confronted with uncomfortable TRUTHS.

Now, should I/we expect another non-answer or will you actually address my question?