God's FREE Gift of {temporary?} ETERNAL Life!

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throughfaith

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I am not like you, I believe gods plan of salvation was completed before the foundation of the world,

you Seem to think it started at the cross, to me it was completed at the cross. But God knew it that is why he passed over the sins of those before,

if Jesus failed we would all be lost no matter when we were born
When Jesus cried " it is finished " what was finished ? He clearly had to be buried and raise again on the 3rd day ( according to the Scriptures) . Did it all finish then ? No the Holy Spirit had not been sent until he ascended . Did things stop there ? No ,what about us gentiles ? didn't we need to join the ' no eating pork club ? yes we did . Remember our position prior to the cross?
Here it is . Eph 2 .
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
( does this look complete)
 

throughfaith

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Yeah your right

but the Bible is Meaningless if it contradicts the meaning of words

if Salvation can be lost, it must be earned, salvation becomes a wage not a gift, paul made it clear in Romans 4 how Abraham was saved, it was not be earning a reward, but based on his faith
Your using scripture thats about the body of christ to view the Ot ,which is backwards.
 
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When Jesus cried " it is finished " what was finished ? He clearly had to be buried and raise again on the 3rd day ( according to the Scriptures) . Did it all finish then ? No the Holy Spirit had not been sent until he ascended . Did things stop there ? No ,what about us gentiles ? didn't we need to join the ' no eating pork club ? yes we did . Remember our position prior to the cross?
Here it is . Eph 2 .
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
( does this look complete)
Whatever dude

you peach. False gospel you have people earning salvation that can never be earned
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Your using scripture thats about the body of christ to view the Ot ,which is backwards.
So according to you Abraham and david are not part of the body of Christ.

ok, whatever good day,

why I do not ignore you I can not understand,
 
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Yes prophetically. But Jesus DBR actually only happened in real time .
Yep, and god knew it and predestined that all who would believe would be saved before time began, no matter when they were born.

you make God human, you need to open up and get out of your thinking it is flawed
 

throughfaith

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Yeah your right

but the Bible is Meaningless if it contradicts the meaning of words

if Salvation can be lost, it must be earned, salvation becomes a wage not a gift, paul made it clear in Romans 4 how Abraham was saved, it was not be earning a reward, but based on his faith
If salvation can be lost TODAY it means we are not in Christ , not seated in heavenly places in Christ (eph 2 ) , not regenerated, not circumcised with the circumcision made without hands ( col 2 ) Not predestinated to the Adoption. Not SEALED by the Holy Spirit unto me the day of redemption ect . We have a problem with the scriptures.
 

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this is not the title of the post, which is 'temporary Eternal life."
My Dear Precious friend, please Observe Prayerfully And Carefully:

God's FREE Gift of {temporary?} ETERNAL Life!

You did {not} notice, did you not, the: {?}, challenging nay-sayers and critics?":

Expounded:
Those who have, ONE time, 100% trusted, believed, and Placed Total faith in:

The LORD JESUS CHRIST, His Precious SHED BLOOD On The CROSS, His Burial, And
HIS Resurrection, "have, ForEverMore, God's FREE Gift Of Eternal Life!" "According
To The Scriptures" [God Told Paul to write TWICE!], In 1_Corinthians_15:3-4 KJB!)


ie: God's UNconditional Terms! (Verified by Almost 60 Passages that were listed,
so that All believers, Especially NEW {ONE-TIME birth!} babies In CHRIST), can
know About God's Assurance of HIS FREE GIFT Of Eternal or Everlasting Life!

So, as simple as I can put this, those critics who Deny This, turning THIS into
CONDITONAL terms, ie: endure/believe to the end, live 100% holy, stop sinning,
keep the sabbath, obey this or that [IF] command, etc. etc. etc., have in effect,
Done The Following To God's Words, have they not? Changing This:

God's FREE Gift of ETERNAL Life!

Into this:

man's idea of : God's FREE Gift of temporary life ETERNAL Life?

It Is God That Establishes AND KEEPS An Eternal Relationship
With HIS children,
NOT "the Other way around!"

Our "good works" that ALL of us Should DO, is called "fellowship!"
(Ephesians_2:5-10 cp 1_Corinthians_1:9 KJB!)
Please "study" Carefully And Prayerfully 1_Corinthians_3:8-15 KJB!:

ALL of God's Eternal children who have "bad works of wood, hay, and
stubble...Will LOSE reward...But he himSELF SHALL BE SAVED!"


Conclusion: BIG Differences in Relationship vs fellowship, and
Between Unconditional Eternal LIFE vs Conditional rewards!

Because "His Precious SHED BLOOD On The CROSS" Is THE Infinite And
All-Sufficient/TOTAL Payment for the Penalty [
Eternal DEATH!], of sin!
Amen?

Q: How/why would we Even think "our actions Can EQUAL" {or ADD TO},
This "FINISHED" WORK Of our Saviour, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
UNthinkable, Correct?

Yet, I have "met Very FEW" who will even acknowledge these Differences!
:cry: You?

Precious friend, be blessed!
 

throughfaith

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So according to you Abraham and david are not part of the body of Christ.

ok, whatever good day,

why I do not ignore you I can not understand,
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
 
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If salvation can be lost TODAY it means we are not in Christ , not seated in heavenly places in Christ (eph 2 ) , not regenerated, not circumcised with the circumcision made without hands ( col 2 ) Not predestinated to the Adoption. Not SEALED by the Holy Spirit unto me the day of redemption ect . We have a problem with the scriptures.
If salvation can be lost EVER

a gift can never be earned, thus it can never be lost, the jews were never saved by law,and they will not be saved by law during the tribulation period.
 

throughfaith

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So according to you Abraham and david are not part of the body of Christ.

ok, whatever good day,

why I do not ignore you I can not understand,
37¶In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which THEY !! THAT BELIEVE ON HIM SHOULD RECIEVE: FOR THE HOLY GHOST WAS NOT !!! YET !!!! GIVEN ; BECAUSE!!! THAT JESUS WAS NOT !! YET !!!! GLORIFIED!!!!!!!!!

IS THIS BEFORE OR AFTER ABRAHAM?
 

throughfaith

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If salvation can be lost EVER

a gift can never be earned, thus it can never be lost, the jews were never saved by law,and they will not be saved by law during the tribulation period.
If all those in Hebrews 11 hadn't DONE what they DID would they have been saved? Not one of them followed 1 cor 15.1-4 or Rom 10 .9-15 or eph 1.13
 

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If salvation can be lost EVER

a gift can never be earned, thus it can never be lost, the jews were never saved by law,and they will not be saved by law during the tribulation period.
Who is this group?

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Will one have to endure to the end? If a tribulation saint takes the mark of the beast will lose what they had?
 
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If all those in Hebrews 11 hadn't DONE what they DID would they have been saved? Not one of them followed 1 cor 15.1-4 or Rom 10 .9-15 or eph 1.13
They did what they did because they were saved. Just like we do what we do bcause we are saved.
faith works. Or have you not figured this out yet

you scare me your a false teacher
 

throughfaith

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They did what they did because they were saved. Just like we do what we do bcause we are saved.
faith works. Or have you not figured this out yet

you scare me your a false teacher
That's an assumption you have no bible verse for . That's scary .
 

throughfaith

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They did what they did because they were saved. Just like we do what we do bcause we are saved.
faith works. Or have you not figured this out yet

you scare me your a false teacher
8¶By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
So Abraham did this because he was saved already 😆
 

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If you can lose salvation it must be earned.

This person can twist it all he wants. But he teaches the people in the OT had to earn salvation.

Abraham was saved by faith in gen 15. He died saved because of that salvation he was given because he believed God and God acredited or imputed to him righteousness. e did not hold his sins against him.

David understood this fact also. when he said blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin.
Which scripture were the old testament saints using to know that they were saved? We have scripture that we depend on to know that we are secure .
 
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Precious friend(s), if you have ever had the feeling that God's Free Gift
Of Eternal life HE Gave
to you is somehow not secure, then you are not
alone. We are human, and many believers struggle with this.

Let us then, set aside, for a moment, the claims/theology that tries to
verify this Insecurity, and instead, take the Following Scriptural Approach:

Let us examine God's Trustworthy WORD Of Truth { KJB! }, And Prayerfully
Carefully gather For Comparison All The Appropriate Passages For God's Sound
Doctrine Of Eternal Assurance,
in accordance with God's Bible "study" { GBSR }
Rule # 5, and then allow HIS Plain And Clear Words Of Truth to speak, shall we?:

Assurance Of God's ETERNAL/EVERLASTING Salvation!

Praise God For Over FIFTY Solid Verses of BIBLICAL FACTS,
For All who have humbly trusted/believed/placed 100% faith in:


The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death {Precious BLOOD!}, Burial, And Resurrection!:

Saved By GRACE Through faith! Ephesians_2:4-5, 8-9

The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS! 2_Timothy 2:19

HIS Are Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted In The Beloved { SON },
By God, The Father,
Before Time Began! Ephesians_1:4-6

God Predestinated HIS saints to obtain an inheritance
After The Counsel Of HIS Own Will!
Ephesians_1:11

Eternal Assurance Is ONE Of:

”The Unsearchable RICHES Of CHRIST…” Which Are
“...According To The ETERNAL Purpose Which
HE Purposed In CHRIST JESUS our LORD!”

(Ephesians_3:8, 11)

God Justified HIS saints, Because Of HIS Foreknowledge, Also
Predestinating
us To Be Conformed To The Image Of HIS SON!
Romans_8:29

And those Predestinated, Are Also Called, Justified, And Glorified!
Romans_8:30

”...If God Be For us, who can be against us?” (Romans_8:31)

”Who shall lay Any Thing to the charge of God’s elect?
It Is God Who Justifies us!”

(Romans_8:33)

God Prepared vessels of Mercy, For HIS Glory! Romans_9:23

“God Hath Not Cast Away HIS people whom HE Foreknew!” (Romans_11:2)

“Who Hath Saved us, And Called us with a holy Calling, NOT according to
our works, But According To HIS Own Purpose And GRACE, Which Was
Given us In CHRIST JESUS Before the world began!”
(2_Timothy_1:9)

“In WHOM we Have Redemption Through HIS Blood, The Forgiveness
Of sins, According To The Riches Of HIS GRACE!”
(Ephesians_1:7)

we Have No condemnation, Because CHRIST Died, Is Risen, And Is At
The Right Hand Of God, And Makes Intercession For us!
Romans_8:34

In CHRIST JESUS we Are Free from the law of sin and death! Romans_8:2

The Spirit Of God Dwells In us! Romans_8:9

we Have Received The Spirit Of Adoption, Whereby we cry, Abba, Father!
Romans_8:15

“The Spirit HIMSELF Beareth Witness with our spirit,
that we Are the children of God!”
(Romans_8:16)

God Establishes And Anoints us In CHRIST! 2_Corinthians_1:20

God Seals us And Gives us The Earnest Of The Spirit! 2_Corinthians_1:22

ONLY God Knows the heart of Every man! Acts_15:8; Romans_8:27

"That we should be to The Praise Of HIS Glory, who first trusted In CHRIST!
In WHOM ye also trusted, after that ye heard The Word Of Truth,
The Gospel Of your salvation: In WHOM also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed
With That Holy Spirit Of Promise, Which Is The Earnest Of our inheritance Until
The Redemption Of The Purchased Possession, Unto The Praise Of HIS Glory!"

(Ephesians_1:12-14)

”Who Hath Also Sealed us, And Given The Earnest Of The Spirit in our hearts!”
(2_Corinthians_1:22)

"And grieve not The Holy Spirit Of God, Whereby ye Are
Sealed Unto The Day Of Redemption!"
(Ephesians_4:30)

"And such were some of you: But ye Are Washed, But
ye Are Sanctified, But ye Are Justified In The Name Of
The LORD JESUS, And By The Spirit Of our God!"

(1_Corinthians_6:11)

"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren Beloved
Of The LORD, Because God Hath From The Beginning Chosen you To
Salvation Through Sanctification Of The Spirit And belief Of The Truth!"

(2_Thessalonians_2:13)

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, But
According To HIS Mercy HE Saved us, By The Washing Of
Regeneration, And Renewing Of The Holy Ghost!"
(Titus_3:5)

God's OPERATION?:

God Made us worthy for inheritance of saints! Colossians_1:12

God Delivered us From the power of darkness! Colossians_1:13

God Put us In The Kingdom Of HIS Dear SON! Colossians_1:14

God Justified us “...Freely By HIS GRACE Through The
Redemption That Is In CHRIST JESUS!"
(Romans_3:24)

God “Reckons Debt To those proud who work” For Salvation!
Romans_4:4

In GRACE, To him/her “that worketh not, but believeth on HIM that
Justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness!”

(Romans_4:5)

God, Through Paul, States: “...David also describeth the
blessedness of the man [ /woman ], unto whom God Imputeth
righteousness Without works!”
(Romans_4:6)

“Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities Are Forgiven, And
whose sins Are Covered [By HIS BLOOD?]! Blessed is the man
to whom The LORD WILL NOT Impute sin!”
(Romans_4:7-8)

YES, By HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD:

"But God Commendeth HIS LOVE Toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, CHRIST Died for us. Much More Then, being NOW JUSTIFIED
BY HIS BLOOD
, we SHALL BE SAVED From wrath Through HIM. For if,
when we were enemies, we Were Reconciled To God By The Death Of
HIS SON, Much More, being Reconciled, we SHALL BE SAVED BY HIS LIFE!"

(Romans_5:8-10)

God's All-Sufficient GRACE?

“For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; Much More they
which Receive Abundance Of GRACE And Of The Gift Of Righteousness
Shall reign in life By One, JESUS CHRIST!” (Romans_5:17)

"And HE Who Searcheth the hearts Knoweth What Is The Mind
Of The Spirit, Because HE Maketh Intercession For the saints
According To The Will Of God!"
(Romans_8:27)
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God's OPERATION!:

[ God, Who Raises the dead! {v. 9} ], "Who Delivered us from so Great a
death, And Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!"

Expounded:

{PAST Tense}: { Justification!!! = God Establishes Eternal Relationship! }
"Who Delivered us from so great a death,... {From The PENALTY of sin!}

{ PRESENT Tense }: { Sanctification!! = WE work out fellowship on earth! }
...And Doth Deliver:... {From The POWER of sin!!}

{FUTURE Tense}: { Glorification! = Eternal fellowship, In Heaven!!! Amen?}
...in Whom we trust that HE Will Yet Deliver us!" {From The PRESENCE of sin!!!}
(2_Corinthians_1:10)
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All Of The Above Are Because Of The "FINISHED" Work Of CHRIST
On The CROSS, For God's Glory And GRACE!
{NOT "what WE do/don't do!"}

Precious struggling friend(s):
Is The Precious BLOOD Of CHRIST ALL-SUFFICIENT
for you?
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Conclusion: Do we Believe ALL Of These Scriptures, so we can answer This?:
Are we prepared for:

Accountability for our fellowship {NOT God's Relationship!}
At Judgment, By "The Righteous Judge Himself"? Eternally
Saved, But "Gain OR LOSE rewards!"
(1_Corinthians_3:8-15)?

And, Precious friend(s) Please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST,
And In HIS Precious Pure And Preserved Word Of Truth!
{ KJB! }

Both The Living Word, And, HIS Written Word, Are Trustworthy!
correct?

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇
These are all great verses regarding our eternal security.

I think the single best verse and clearest is John 10:28. Jesus said, "I give them (believrs) eternal life, and they shall never perish."

It couldn't any more clear. Jesus is the basis of our eternal security. What He did for us. He gave us His life, which is eternal life. And on the basis of being His life, the recipient shall never perish.

"Never" really does mean never. All based on Christ and His work. All we can do is receive the free gift.
 

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You say quite a bit without scripture?
No ,Paul does not disagree with Christ. Jesus taught Paul by direct revelation ( Gal 1.12 ),the things he wanted Paul to say and teach to the body of Christ . Thats why we have 13 long epistles filled with Jesus s teachings to Paul FOR the body of christ . Your mixing Jesus's teachings to Israel with His teachings to the body of Christ . Did Jesus teach Islam to the Jews and the bible to the body of Christ? no . Did he teach radically different teachings that were completely foreign to the understanding of the body of Christ , and visa versa ? No is it the same God ? yes . Did God stop revealing at ' Israel ' ? No . Did God stop revealing at the 4 gospels? No . Did God stop revealing in the book of Acts ? Acts 1 ? 2 ? ,3,4 ,5 ,6 ,7 ? How about After Acts 9 ? Acts 10 ? 11? Ect ect ...
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Your accusation against me as "speaking without scripture" is false. Everything I think and say is based on scripture.

God is NOT a racist thinking of the Jews or gentiles only. God loves both Jews and gentiles. God wants, has wanted, will always want all humans to go to Him, that is the true God told of in all your "context" and "who God speaks to". If we lose sight of that in this "context' and 'who God is speaking to'", we lose sight of scripture. It is simple truth, I don't see why you are on such a high horse with all these objections to that simple truth.
 

John146

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They did what they did because they were saved. Just like we do what we do bcause we are saved.
faith works. Or have you not figured this out yet

you scare me your a false teacher
The difference is whose faith are we talking about? What's shown in Hebrews 11 is the OT saint's individual faith and the demonstration of that faith. For us, believers are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Jesus accomplished all the work! Our individual faith matters when it comes to the JSOC.