Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

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From the time of Christ until today (about 2,000 years), what will happen to all those who claim to be Jews yet rejected Christ, who lived and died within this 2000 year time period?
By your theology, what happens to all those who lived BEFORE CHRIST and never even heard His name?

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
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simply part of the New Covenant that Gentiles become partakers in and I believe it is the Curch consisting of Jew and Gentile the creation of the New Man.
But this does not nullify the time after the rapture when God once again deals mainly with the Jews, called Jacob's trouble and finishes His OT promises to Israel through His Kingdom reign.
Well of course it nullifies any such goofy ideas of a rapture or a futuristic dealing with the Jews as though is was some kind of "physical/eternal" birthright to the Jews in the "future" haha. You just got to deal with that fallacy being burned away by scriptures. Only the devil would push such ignorant "futuristic" false gospels while robbing themselves of the eternal Land of the Heavenly Country hoped for by us children of Abraham.
 

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Gods promise was not salvation, it was to be a people. and to be his representatives on earth. and to live in a land and be blessed by God.

Dont make a spiritual promise equal with a physical one, they do not mix
Exactly, Israel as a whole received national promises. Judah received the promise that the Messiah would come through him.
 
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What do you mean by "Israel?" I don't think the modern nation-state of Israel established back in 1948 has anything to do with biblical Israel, for reasons outlined in my last post. The only connection would be that some of it's population claim descent from ancestors who were citizens of biblical Israel.

If we're talking about Israel as in, the Israel that is actually God's chosen people; then I think Israel exists and has a king and high priest. Yes, Israel was a originally a group of loosely associated tribes claiming descent from Abraham and/or fidelity to Yahweh and his anointed one(s). Before I get long winded, I think Jesus is rightfully the King of Israel, and citizenship in the correct continuation of biblical Israel is defined by those who are loyal to it's Messiah. Even calling Jesus "Messiah" or "Christ" doesn't make biblical or historical sense unless he's the King of Israel - and I don't think the modern state of Israel has recognized Jesus as their king.....unless I missed some breaking news.

Membership in Israel is not limited by those who claim blood descent from Abraham (and it never really was anyway). The blessings promised to Abraham and his descendants are realized in Jesus.

But this is what I think. I suppose I won't argue too much if you believe that there is another group of Yahweh's chosen people (which necessarily implies another king, high priest, sacrificial system, etc..) defined by something other than loyalty to the Messiah Jesus. The Samaritans think this and Jews think this. I would ask why even call Jesus the Christ and believe the NT if you don't think he's actually the living king of actual Israel...it would seem to be a major inconsistency.
It is always so nice to meet another Son of God whose eyes are opened by the Holy Spirit to know scriptures! Praise you Jesus! It get's so stuffy in here with all the hot air the dispensationalists are bloviating around here, ignorant of scriptures, giving their birthright away as Esau did. Giving it to Esau in fact, for as all Bible students know, there is no difference in Gods eyes between unbelieving Jews and Edomites.
Thank you for your posts. I don't blame you if you don't hang around here. Satan desires to abuse the Saints and Oracles of the Word of God here, you are brave for sticking your toe in this piranha invested waters hehe
 
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John 1:11-13 clearly shows that God's people are no longer so by physical means. If you are born physically Jewish you have to be baptized into Christ just like the rest of us. God's people are no longer physical Israel, but spiritual Israel. Galatians 3:28 says it doesn't matter what you are physically- whether you are male or female, Jew or Gentile, slave or free, God's people are those who are in Christ. And Romans 6:3 says the way we get into Christ is by baptism. It no longer matters what you are physically.
Beautiful Kaycie. Thank you for sharing your beautiful understanding as revealed to you by the Holy King of Israel Jesus :)

It really helps the moral of folk here when other Christians contribute, especially when the antichrist works so hard here in wearing the Saints who try to help them receive the Gospel of the Land of Promise to Abraham's Seed in Christ. But they just disclaim it for themselves, and rob it from the others. They plunder the Gospel with their ill intent.
But then you give us the beautiful simple Gospel of Jesus. Your reward in Heaven is sure dear sister. For you have not laid up earthly futuristic treasures, but your faith is obviously in Heaven :)
 
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Jews bypassed Gentiles (pagans) largely, now they are favored to be reunited in one, as God planned from the beginning and, a good example, it is when Jews left Egipt, being followed by Gentiles in their line to the Promised land: One God, One Spirit, one church (Assemply).
 
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How can anyone today know with any certainty they are a physical Jew? To be a true Jew, one MUST be a direct descendant from one of the 12 tribes. Can anyone today prove they are from one of the 12 tribes?
I'm a Sephardim Jew, supposedly. Not Ashkenazi. I am tall blonde and blue eyed as all my family. But we are rare, as a race anyway. I am a descendent of Israel no doubt, but whethter a Jew of Judah, no one knows that. It doesn't matter anyway to God.
Most of the folk here are descendent from the Khazars, they are shorter, dark, and peculiarly big noses hands and feet. They are as different from my race as could be. My family traces their lineage back to the 1500's to Vilhelm Barkowski a prince in Warsaw. But it means nothing.

There is no birthright passed along from geneology or fleshly inheritance. That is a Jewish fable believed only by the demons who don't know scriptures.
The only geneology that was ever important was the Line of Judah to Jesus, the Eternal King of Israel, in whom all Israel is born by Faith and baptism and receiving the Holy Resurrected Spirit of Jesus Christ :) That was fulfilled, end of the "geneology" story.

So no, take it from me a pure "Jew" in the flesh more than anyone else here perhaps, that there is NOTHING OF THE PHYSICAL desirous by an Israelite such as me.

The only "Jews" I know aren't Jews at all, because they don't accept Jesus. There is no such thing as a Jew unless that person is in Christ. Paul said that. Clear as a bell. Those who aren't in Christ who claim to be Jews, are the synagogue of satan. That describes my family that disowned me for accepting Jesus. To be a True Jew and be heir to the Abrahamic Covenant was Why I converted to Christ Jesus, the only means to be the heir of the Abrahamic Covenant. This was primary knowledge for me to seek my Messiah to obtain the Promise of Abraham.

And the same spirit that beat me and disowned me because I chose Christ, is present right here in this thread, attempting to destroy the only thing that can save them.
Well I've already dealt with that evil first hand. So now it is academic! And I can now just laugh HaahAAaa!! Because I am strong and they are weak because I walk and talk and move and breathe in the Holy Spirit of the King of Israel, Jesus my Messiah! And the little ants scurrying around with their damnable little dispensational Jewish fables on this thread are a comedy to their own destruction.

For there is NO promise of Abraham to the flesh. Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. So I died to being a Jew and a child of Adam, and died to all previous ideas of an "earthly land inheritance" and other earthly carrots on a stick that the antichrist jews teach in their false doctrines.
I am so thankful of being delivered from the delusions and lies of the same kind of Jews who crucified Jesus, and continually crucify His Children in their wickedness.
So becoming a Christian has been a horrendous trial, the devil throwing all his false doctrines at me claiming my g-d is a b*stard... the same Jews that the mindless antichristians on this thread almost exactly, Such wicked hatefulness toward the Word of God and toward His Saints who try to save them from their sins and delusions...

But I wouldn't trade it for all the world haha!! And if you folks want this planet, or part of it for an inheritance, you are welcome to it. They will be in the form of grave plots RIP.

But as for me and my brothers and sisters in Christ, we shall enjoy eternal Life in the Promised Land of Each Other Forever All in All with our God.

I love you brothers and sisters!
 
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There is a common Antisemitic argument the Jews today aren't real Jews, just utterly foolish on its surface. Many families of Israel have been Jewish since before Christ, generation after generation, as far as they can trace back have been Jewish. They are Jews, from a long line of Jews, simple as that, many very careful to preserve their heritage. A converted Jew is a Jew, simple as that. And, as you point out, our Lord knows where all the tribes are, in His word has explicit plans for 144,000 of these. This, like replacement theology, is just more Antisemitic rubbish which is epidemic these days, like another rise of Hitler, only proving how little hateful, bigoted men can learn. (Anybody who could sit down with Hitler or the devil and be agreeable has a real problem.)
Yeah, that ol' "antisemetic" Paul must appear as an idiot to you then? Unless a Jew is in Christ, THEY ARE NOT A JEW.
(Rom 2:28)
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


Bonk bonk, hello?

(Rom 2:29)

but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

If someone SAYS they are a Jew, but they aren't in Christ, they are a liar, that simple.





(Rev 3:9)
Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them which say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

There it is :) AGAIN!

My family of Jews who disowned and divorced me ARE NOT JEWS. Period. They THINK they are, but as you can see from God, they are LIARS. Simple! Makes this entire thread moot hehe. It was moot from the beginning of course, but has been a wonderful occasion to make friends here and preach the Word of God that so many others have received woohoo! Thank you for all the mail I can't keep up :)



 

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Uh, what about those who do not know Christ and are blind to that understanding by no fault of their own...


Then you have consigned billions of people to hell who never had a chance at salvation. There is another day of salvation. Not a second chance, but the first chance billions of people will ever have. It is the Last Great Day and we read of it in Rev 20:11-12.
5Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
 
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not to mention. God himself promised, even while they were in their enemies hand because of sin, He would never let them die (as a nation)

Lev 26:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them;

for I am the Lord their God.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:

I am the Lord.’”

Wow! Stop the presses! This is the FIRST TIME IV'E SEEN THIS PERSON POST SCRIPTURES IN THE TWO WEEKS I'VE BEEN HERE! Let's give it up for eternally-grateful, He now has ONE CORRECT POST, and without anything evil or nasty in it to boot! Oh Glory Hallelujah!

I can now give him a LIKE :)

And of course the above scriptures are true, as are all scriptures, even though HE and his nest of co-workers don't like to think Jesus has anything to do with it as they repeatedly assert.

The "Nation" is Israel.
THIS Nation...

But yes, it is all fulfilled in the Messiah AND TO THE NATION THAT BRINGS FORTH FRUIT MEET FOR REPENTANCE.

(Mat 21:43)

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, (Jews) and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Repentant and Saved Israel in Christ aka Christians)


Only those and ALL those who repent and are baptized ARE Israel. Only WE are the True Israel Just like the Bible tells me :)





(Gal 6:15)
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.




(Gal 6:16)
And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


For the rest of you void of understanding, who DIVORCE yourself from being Israel with your dragon spawn logic, here is the reward you are heaping to yourselves;





(Rev 12:9)
And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.


 

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when will this verse about mortals, at start of gwt or millilium?


  • Isaiah 65:20 (KJV)

    There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.


God gives these people a chance at hearing the word
 
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5Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Perfect. An excellent understanding of the second resurrection.
 

john832

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when will this verse about mortals, at start of gwt or millilium?


  • Isaiah 65:20 (KJV)

    There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.


God gives these people a chance at hearing the word
That occurs AFTER the Millennium, at the Last Great Day.
 
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5Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Soldiers of Christ! Yes!
I just love those Ezekiel scriptures about us thank you :)

And NOW here is that ARMY of Israel in full battle suit, and we STAND up :)

(Eph 6:13)
Wherefore take up the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand.

We soldiers of Israel know that it is a war!

(1Ti 1:18)
This charge I commit unto thee, my child Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that by them thou mayest war the good warfare;

(2Co 10:3)
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh
(2Co 10:4)
(for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strong holds);
(2Co 10:5)
casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;
(2Ti 2:4)
No soldier on service entangleth himself in the affairs of this life; that he may please him who enrolled him as a soldier.

(Rev 19:14)
And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.
(Rev 19:15)
And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.
(Rev 19:16)
And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Rev 19:17)
And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid heaven, Come and be gathered together unto the great supper of God;
(Rev 19:18)
that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great.
(Rev 19:19)
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat upon the horse, and against his army.

(1Pe 2:11)
Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

(Eph 2:12)
that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.


Those are just the scholarly cross references that I have for those two verses of Ezek 37:10 & 11
If we go to verses 12 through at least 14 though, about the RESURRECTION of Israel... Now we have a ton of fulfilled verses in the N.T. showing the fulfillment of this exact Ezek 37 chapter

(Eze 37:11)
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off.
(Eze 37:12)
Therefore prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O my people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.
(Eze 37:13)
And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O my people.
(Eze 37:14)
And I will put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land: and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Here's some examples of fulfillment, woohoo! Let's check it out :) Isn't this the most Blessed fun a body can be doin? hehe;

(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen Israel his servant, That he might remember mercy

(Joh 5:28)
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,


(Mat 27:52)
and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised;



(Rom 6:3)
Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?



(Rom 6:4)
We were buried therefore with him through baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.



(Rom 6:5)
For if we have become united with him by the likeness of his death, we shall be also by the likeness of his resurrection;



(Rom 6:6)
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;



(Rom 6:7)
for he that hath died is justified from sin.



(Rom 6:8)
But if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him;



(Rom 6:9)
knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death no more hath dominion over him.



(Rom 6:10)
For the death that he died, he died unto sin once: but the life that he liveth, he liveth unto God.



(Rom 6:11)
Even so reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ Jesus.



(Rom 6:12)
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey the lusts thereof:


(Heb 11:16)
But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


(Luk 20:36)
for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.





(1Co 15:25)
For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.


(Joh 17:3)
And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.


(Rom 13:11)
And this, knowing the season, that now it is high time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.



(Rom 13:12)
The night is far spent, and the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


(Mat 27:53)
and coming forth out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered into the holy city and appeared unto many.




(1Co 15:34)
Awake up righteously, and sin not; for some have no knowledge of God: I speak this
to move you to shame.




(Rom 8:9)
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.




(Rom 8:10)
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.




(Rom 8:11)
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall quicken also your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


(1Co 15:44)
it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.




(1Co 15:45)
So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life–giving spirit.




(1Co 15:46)
Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.





(1Th 4:8)
Therefore he that rejecteth, rejecteth not man, but God, who giveth his Holy Spirit unto you.




(2Co 3:3)
being made manifest that ye are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in tables that are hearts of flesh.




(Heb 11:14)
For they that say such things make it manifest that they are seeking after a country of their own.




(Heb 11:15)
And if indeed they had been mindful of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.




(Heb 11:16)
But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.



There it is :) All easily prepared for you. It will take some time of course, but you will be so Blessed when you read how that Jesus has fulfilled the O.T. and here specifically, are some that show Ezek 37:11-14.

Praise be to the Messiah of Israel who has Given us the Land of Promise of Abraham in Christ Jesus In remembrance of His Promise! Woohoo!


(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen Israel his servant, That he might remember mercy




(Luk 1:55)
(As he spake unto our fathers) Toward Abraham and his seed for ever.

 

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Soldiers of Christ! Yes!
I just love those Ezekiel scriptures about us thank you :)

And NOW here is that ARMY of Israel in full battle suit, and we STAND up :)

(Eph 6:13)
Wherefore take up the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand.

We soldiers of Israel know that it is a war!

(1Ti 1:18)
This charge I commit unto thee, my child Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that by them thou mayest war the good warfare;

(2Co 10:3)
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh
(2Co 10:4)
(for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strong holds);
(2Co 10:5)
casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;
(2Ti 2:4)
No soldier on service entangleth himself in the affairs of this life; that he may please him who enrolled him as a soldier.

(Rev 19:14)
And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.
(Rev 19:15)
And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.
(Rev 19:16)
And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Rev 19:17)
And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in mid heaven, Come and be gathered together unto the great supper of God;
(Rev 19:18)
that ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses and of them that sit thereon, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, and small and great.
(Rev 19:19)
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat upon the horse, and against his army.

(1Pe 2:11)
Beloved, I beseech you as sojourners and pilgrims, to abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

(Eph 2:12)
that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.


Those are just the scholarly cross references that I have for those two verses of Ezek 37:10 & 11
If we go to verses 12 through at least 14 though, about the RESURRECTION of Israel... Now we have a ton of fulfilled verses in the N.T. showing the fulfillment of this exact Ezek 37 chapter

(Eze 37:11)
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off.
(Eze 37:12)
Therefore prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O my people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.
(Eze 37:13)
And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O my people.
(Eze 37:14)
And I will put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land: and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Here's some examples of fulfillment, woohoo! Let's check it out :) Isn't this the most Blessed fun a body can be doin? hehe;

(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen Israel his servant, That he might remember mercy

(Joh 5:28)
Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,


(Mat 27:52)
and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised;



(Rom 6:3)
Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?



(Rom 6:4)
We were buried therefore with him through baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.



(Rom 6:5)
For if we have become united with him by the likeness of his death, we shall be also by the likeness of his resurrection;



(Rom 6:6)
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;



(Rom 6:7)
for he that hath died is justified from sin.



(Rom 6:8)
But if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him;



(Rom 6:9)
knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death no more hath dominion over him.



(Rom 6:10)
For the death that he died, he died unto sin once: but the life that he liveth, he liveth unto God.



(Rom 6:11)
Even so reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ Jesus.



(Rom 6:12)
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey the lusts thereof:


(Heb 11:16)
But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


(Luk 20:36)
for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.





(1Co 15:25)
For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.


(Joh 17:3)
And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.


(Rom 13:11)
And this, knowing the season, that now it is high time for you to awake out of sleep: for now is salvation nearer to us than when we first believed.



(Rom 13:12)
The night is far spent, and the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


(Mat 27:53)
and coming forth out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered into the holy city and appeared unto many.




(1Co 15:34)
Awake up righteously, and sin not; for some have no knowledge of God: I speak this
to move you to shame.




(Rom 8:9)
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.




(Rom 8:10)
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.




(Rom 8:11)
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall quicken also your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


(1Co 15:44)
it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.




(1Co 15:45)
So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life–giving spirit.




(1Co 15:46)
Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.





(1Th 4:8)
Therefore he that rejecteth, rejecteth not man, but God, who giveth his Holy Spirit unto you.




(2Co 3:3)
being made manifest that ye are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in tables that are hearts of flesh.




(Heb 11:14)
For they that say such things make it manifest that they are seeking after a country of their own.




(Heb 11:15)
And if indeed they had been mindful of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.




(Heb 11:16)
But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.



There it is :) All easily prepared for you. It will take some time of course, but you will be so Blessed when you read how that Jesus has fulfilled the O.T. and here specifically, are some that show Ezek 37:11-14.

Praise be to the Messiah of Israel who has Given us the Land of Promise of Abraham in Christ Jesus In remembrance of His Promise! Woohoo!


(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen Israel his servant, That he might remember mercy




(Luk 1:55)
(As he spake unto our fathers) Toward Abraham and his seed for ever.
No, this is a physical resurrection to physical life...

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

If this is God's army, why in the world are they saying this?

Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

A resurrection to physical life again with an opportunity for salvation (hope). One must read this chapter and Rev 20:11-12 together.
 
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No, this is a physical resurrection to physical life...

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

If this is God's army, why in the world are they saying this?

Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

A resurrection to physical life again with an opportunity for salvation (hope). One must read this chapter and Rev 20:11-12 together.
what do you mean by physical ressurection?
 

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That occurs AFTER the Millennium, at the Last Great Day.
37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying,
If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
 

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An added tidbit from Arnold Fruchtenbaum (also Jewish)...

"The Davidic Covenant is the third covenant, and it promised four eternal things: an eternal house (dynasty), an eternal throne, an eternal kingdom, and one eternal Person. The Dynasty became eternal because it culminated in a Person Who is Himself eternal: Jesus the Messiah. For that reason the Throne and Kingdom will be eternal as well. But Jesus has never yet sat on the Throne of David ruling over a Kingdom of Israel. The reestablishment of the Davidic Throne and Messiah's rule over the Kingdom still awaits a future fulfillment. It requires a future kingdom."
Awwe my brother, I pray your eyes be opened in Jesus' name!
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Mark 11:10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.
Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
 

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what do you mean by physical ressurection?
These people are resurrected to human life again and given the knowledge of the truth. At this time they must choose. They could not choose salvation at the time they lived...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

4000 years ago, that name was not known.