GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

This post certainly has Colossians 2:16-17 which is from the OP.

What we do find from Paul is instruction about the Sabbath as being insignificant and to not let anyone judge us about it, because it’s only a shadow.

Whereas the substance is Christ.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


But hey, if you do find something in the New Testament that does teach us how we are to observe the Sabbath, please let me know. JPT

The OP is about Col 2:14-17. Did you want to adress it? Simply stating the scripture that the OP is talking about, does not address what the OP is saying and the scriptures in the OP which show your interpretation of it not to be true.

If you have nothing to share then how can you disagree with the OP? If you can't disagee with the OP then you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom and closing your eyes to the Word of God will not help you come judgement day when the Word of God has come to you but you choose to reject the Word that God calls you with. GOd's Word will only testify against those that reject it.

 

[justpassinthrough]

The OP is about Col 2:14-17. Did you want to adress it? Simply stating the scripture that the OP is talking about, does not address what the OP is saying and the scriptures in the OP which show your interpretation of it not to be true.

If you have nothing to share then how can you disagree with the OP? If you can't disagee with the OP then you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom and closing your eyes to the Word of God will not help you come judgement day when the Word of God has come to you but you choose to reject the Word that God calls you with. GOd's Word will only testify against those that reject it.

i have addressed your posts, to only have you continually ignore my question that pertains to the Sabbath and the OP.


You you are in check mate.

Everyone sees your deceitful attempts to dodge the simple question that renders the Sabbath as insignificant.

Until you post a New Testament scripture that directs us how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant you and your misguided doctrine have been refuted.



JLB

 

[LoveGodForever]

i have addressed your posts, to only have you continually ignore my question that pertains to the Sabbath and the OP. You you are in check mate. Everyone sees your deceitful attempts to dodge the simple question that renders the Sabbath as insignificant. Until you post a New Testament scripture that directs us how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant you and your misguided doctrine have been refuted. JLB

You are a funny one indeed. How have you adressed my posts when you ignore them and do not respond to them or the many scriptures in them? You indeed do not BELIEVE the scriptures. I do not judge you. It is between you and God because they are His Words and not mine and His Words will judge us all in the last days John 12:47-48

 

[stillness]

I knew from the start that there was nothing I could do to help, I shared here to keep others from being confused.
I don't have the power to forgive you until you forgive others who don't live up to your expectations, putting others down to feel better about yourself. "You have not hindered me at all I die daily."

While you don't know how this applies to you: The law has become a prison to you, you will remain in prison until you forgive.

"Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me what you owe, and his fellowservant fell down at his feet and besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay you all, and he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after he had called him, said to him, O you wicked servant, I forgave you all that debt, because thou desired me.
Should not you also have had compassion on your fellowservant, even as I had pity on you? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also to you, if you from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."

 

[posthuman]

A man who has only recently been set free from prison irons, having spent so long a time living in such a way, often does not know how to conduct himself in freedom. It is not uncommon for such a man to wish once again to be ordered around as a beast, kept in shackles and told when and where and how he may act - if only for the comfort of familiarity, though prison is truly no comfort ay all, of itself, but closer to lack of it.

 

[MarcR]

LGF still seems to be expecting responses from forum members who disagree with him.

He can't seem to accept the fact that his treatment of the responses he has gotten has made him unworthy to receive others.

Truly Sad!!!!

 

[LoveGodForever]

LGF still seems to be expecting responses from forum members who disagree with him. He can't seem to accept the fact that his treatment of the responses he has gotten has made him unworthy to receive others.

Truly Sad!!!!

Hello MarcR, I am sure if you have the Word of God to share you would have shared it already it seems you do not have God's Word to share because you do not share it.
If you believe this not to be the case by all means share God's Word. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.

The light reveals what is hiding in darkness. You are correct how sad it will be for those who reject the Word of God how sad, how sad indeed.

Unworthy am I yes this is true unworthy unworthy am I that he should give his life for me to set this sinner free to hear his Word and Follow him the unworthy one is me.

 

[Shamah]

It means what it says, here is another passge with the same thought:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Does anyone here actually beleive they may disoeb the Messiah and it's OK?




I guess falsely proclaiming somthing and saying it is someones feeling is doctrine now huh?

No, the 7th day Sabbath points to that rest that none have yet entered into, any that claim to are making their own definition of what the rest Yahshua offers is:

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”



Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Like everything else gospel related you are wrong about this as well.

Hebrews 4:2-3
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

That's good news, right? When the Lord Jesus offers us rest He is able to give us that rest.

But we have to believe Him.


The 7th day sabbath pointed to the Rest that the Lord Jesus Christ has been giving His People by faith.

SO you keep the 4th commandment that looks forward to the eternal rest?

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

and lets look at Hebrews 4 shall we?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin - from katapauó, Definition - rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

 

[3rdMesseger]

I feel the biggest problem here is, The Sabbath referred to in Colossians was not talking about the one in the ten commandments, but the Feats and holy days, It says "Sabbaths" which mean it's not talking about the 'Sabbath" So God didn't tell us to not judge what day to worship on, first off if we go by that, God never said what day, for all we know he's saying we can worship on Wednesday, which we know isn't the case, He gave us the law on Sinai, and people need to stop trying to blot out that commandment, when God never did, Nor the disciples, or paul, They all kept the Sabbath, and never stopped doing that, Where in the entire bible does it say we should keep sunday, plus that it was only for the jews, when the jews at the time didn't exist, Adam, Abraham, Moses even, weren't jews, were all under the promise according to

Galatians 3 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. and Galatians 3 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. We are all of Christ now, Paul wasn't saying get rid of the law, He was saying the law doesn't save us, and our love for Christ will make us keep the law, the law itself is a schoolmaster, But Jesus is our savior, and he'll bring us to Christ, Does that make the law sin? God forbid, Romans brings all that out.

 

[stillness]

You mentioned sharing the word of God: This morning the Lord told me: Humble yourself
I am also in danger of loss of humility and need to take to heart that He Give Grace to the humble. I am sorry for my lack of humility in how I shared things and may the Lord give you rest that is not work also.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I feel the biggest problem here is, The Sabbath referred to in Colossians was not talking about the one in the ten commandments, but the Feats and holy days, It says "Sabbaths" which mean it's not talking about the 'Sabbath" So God didn't tell us to not judge what day to worship on, first off if we go by that, God never said what day, for all we know he's saying we can worship on Wednesday, which we know isn't the case, He gave us the law on Sinai, and people need to stop trying to blot out that commandment, when God never did, Nor the disciples, or paul, They all kept the Sabbath, and never stopped doing that, Where in the entire bible does it say we should keep sunday, plus that it was only for the jews, when the jews at the time didn't exist, Adam, Abraham, Moses even, weren't jews, were all under the promise according to

Galatians 3 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. and Galatians 3 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. We are all of Christ now, Paul wasn't saying get rid of the law, He was saying the law doesn't save us, and our love for Christ will make us keep the law, the law itself is a schoolmaster, But Jesus is our savior, and he'll bring us to Christ, Does that make the law sin? God forbid, Romans brings all that out.

Hello 3rdMessenger Welcome to the discussion thread here.

Indeed you share some good points. Have a read of the OP. It links the Old Testament scriptures with the New Testament scriptures.

These are the two witnesses that agree together that Paul is indeed discussing the book of the Mosaic laws that are shadows pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and Not God's 10 commandments which the Word of God says are forever and nothing was to be added to them.

Thanks for sharing.

May God bless you as you continue in His Word....

............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[stillness]

There are people in your church who believe as I do, to honor the Lord every day alike. I also need to live this way in recovery as I have no family, just a recovery community living a day at a time which in my view is the same day. "Today if you hear his voice harden not your heart." The posts here helped me see the freedom I have in Christ and to value what I have, I hope you do the same. And forgive me for being forceful at times. Your brother Ray.

 

[stillness]

Brother I was motivated to pray for you and believe your a free man: walk in the freedom you have. I pray you experience the peace I have as confirmation. Holy Spirit, may you bless this man and give him peace. Let your peace that passes understanding keep us in the Love of God, forgive us as we forgive and may we be refreshed to learn in humility. Amen

 

[justpassinthrough]

I feel the biggest problem here is, The Sabbath referred to in Colossians was not talking about the one in the ten commandments, but the Feats and holy days, It says "Sabbaths" which mean it's not talking about the 'Sabbath" So God didn't tell us to not judge what day to worship on, first off if we go by that, God never said what day, for all we know he's saying we can worship on Wednesday, which we know isn't the case, He gave us the law on Sinai, and people need to stop trying to blot out that commandment, when God never did, Nor the disciples, or paul, They all kept the Sabbath, and never stopped doing that, Where in the entire bible does it say we should keep sunday, plus that it was only for the jews, when the jews at the time didn't exist, Adam, Abraham, Moses even, weren't jews, were all under the promise according to

Galatians 3 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. and Galatians 3 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. We are all of Christ now, Paul wasn't saying get rid of the law, He was saying the law doesn't save us, and our love for Christ will make us keep the law, the law itself is a schoolmaster, But Jesus is our savior, and he'll bring us to Christ, Does that make the law sin? God forbid, Romans brings all that out.

Is the Sabbath a day?

Do you esteem this day over any other Day?

If you do, then that’s great, that is between you are your Lord.


5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike.Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. Romans 14:5-6

He who observed the day, is singular and refers to the Sabbath, which is a day.



JLB

 

[Shamah]

The Creator of the heavens and earth does not esteem every day as equal:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]

 

[justpassinthrough]

You are a funny one indeed. How have you adressed my posts when you ignore them and do not respond to them or the many scriptures in them? You indeed do not BELIEVE the scriptures. I do not judge you. It is between you and God because they are His Words and not mine and His Words will judge us all in the last days John 12:47-48

What’s funny is you keep dodging and ignoring the very thing that refutes your misguided theology.

There is is not one scripture in all of the New Testament that teaches us how to observe the Sabbath today, under the New Covenant.


JPT

 

[mailmandan]

What’s funny is you keep dodging and ignoring the very thing that refutes your misguided theology.

There is is not one scripture in all of the New Testament that teaches us how to observe the Sabbath today, under the New Covenant.

JPT

Amen! NOWHERE does the NT teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. SDA's can quote a multitude of scriptures and twist those scriptures to try and make them say whatever they want them say, but they are not fooling us.

*Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when SDA's set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to salvation by grace through faith, not works. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

 

[gb9]

Amen! NOWHERE does the NT teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. SDA's can quote a multitude of scriptures and twist those scriptures to try and make them say whatever they want them say, but they are not fooling us.

*Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when SDA's set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to salvation by grace through faith, not works. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

just note all the sda/Hebrew roots double speak- Sabbath does not save, but if you break any of the 10, your going to hell- God expects us to keep the Sabbath, which has nothing to do with salvation, but if you break a command...........


do they think we cannot see the ferris wheel logic? we are not blinded by cult propaganda, as sadly they are.

 

[mailmandan]

just note all the sda/Hebrew roots double speak- Sabbath does not save, but if you break any of the 10, your going to hell- God expects us to keep the Sabbath, which has nothing to do with salvation, but if you break a command...........

do they think we cannot see the ferris wheel logic? we are not blinded by cult propaganda, as sadly they are.

Amen brother! We are not fooled by their double speak, which is cult propaganda and SDA/Hebrew roots smoke and mirrors.

 

[kitty]

Hi again i think we are free from the law and outward observances ,those who are in christ need only follow the law of love, jesus fufilled all the requirements of the law x