GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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nope. sin is missing the mark. knowing to do good and not doing so.
and since gentiles never had the law, they were never commanded to keep the Sabbath.
God's Word would disagree with you............

WHAT IS SIN?


James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

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1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
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Romans 7

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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Romans 3

20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Yep seems like Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments. SIN will keep all who practice is out of God's Kingdom....

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.


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There is no such thing as Gentile believers only BELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS in God's WORD.

Let's look at the scriptures.......

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........................

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

Believe the scriptures........................................ ..........................

Galatians 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11,
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........................

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

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Yep very clear what SIN is. James, Paul and John all agree that SIN is indeed breaking any of the 10 commandments
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Seems like Paul is ver adament that there is NO SUCH THING as Gentiles and JEWS in God's Word only BELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us. If you are still in your SINS you do not KNOW him who calls you.

Doesn't look good for some come Judgement day for those who reject God's Word. You can choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you of not. It is up to you. What will you do?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
 
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gb9

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why can't I or anyone read the entire N.T. , in chronological order? why do you and other fakers only want to use certain verses?
and use the same ones over and over, while dismissing others.

like this- 1st John 3 - the commands for N.T. believers - believe in the name of the Son and love one another. ( no Sabbath )

Romans 2 - Paul states gentles did not have the Law.

mount of transfiguration - in the presence of Moses ( the law ) and Elijah ( the prophets ), God the Father said of the Son- hear HIm! ( not them ).

now, you will have nothing on these, they do have anything to do with Sabbath keeping, so you will dismiss these ae unimportant, and praddle on about Sabbath, ( making an idol out of a day ). go ahead.
 
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why can't I or anyone read the entire N.T. , in chronological order? why do you and other fakers only want to use certain verses?
and use the same ones over and over, while dismissing others.

like this- 1st John 3 - the commands for N.T. believers - believe in the name of the Son and love one another. ( no Sabbath )

Romans 2 - Paul states gentles did not have the Law.

mount of transfiguration - in the presence of Moses ( the law ) and Elijah ( the prophets ), God the Father said of the Son- hear HIm! ( not them ).

now, you will have nothing on these, they do have anything to do with Sabbath keeping, so you will dismiss these ae unimportant, and praddle on about Sabbath, ( making an idol out of a day ). go ahead.
Matthew 4
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But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Only God's Word is true and we are to live by EVERY Word of it. Do you think your words are more important then God's?

Romans 3
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God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Because it is written again........

John 12
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If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

There is only BELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS in God's Word who will you be come judgement day?

God knows that many SIN in ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth is come calls on all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE his WORD (Acts 17:30)

It does not look good for those who reject the Word of God.......

Hebrews 10
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For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.
 

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Walk trough the valley
The acceptable answer to 'can these dead live?' is 'Lord, you know'
Very good humor: in old English good humor meant Joyous character, it's bad humor that is a joke, thinking better than others, wen we are commanded to esteem others better than ourselves, and what commandment is that? Not in the Law. It's the new commandment. Honestly God turned us upside down giving us a new commandment to Love as He Loves and yes unless we Love according to His Love we won't Live in His sight, yet He made it easy to enter with thanksgiving and learning of Him we have rest, actually yesterday morning woke up hearing: Let your spirit rest, not dead resting. Now that makes me think of rest that those who were seeking by work of obedience did not attain because they did not seek Him by faith to enter His rest.
 
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Matthew 4
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But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Only God's Word is true and we are to live by EVERY Word of it. Do you think your words are more important then God's?

Romans 3
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God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Because it is written again........

John 12
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If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

There is only BELIEVERS and UNBELIEVERS in God's Word who will you be come judgement day?

God knows that many SIN in ignorance and in times of ignorance God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth is come calls on all men everywhere to REPENT and BELIEVE his WORD (Acts 17:30)

It does not look good for those who reject the Word of God.......

Hebrews 10
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For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

...............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.
nah, I'm good. if anyone needs help, it's you. denounce ellen white, throw out all the sda teachings , pick up the Bible, and read it ALL THE WAY THROUGH. you will see what I and others are trying to tell you.
 
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I understand that I'm commanded to Love my enemies and it's not the Law or about law. But about the New commandment of the New covenant: "A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another; as I have Loved you that you Love one another." Its about growing in Love of god and suppose it mean walking away and letting you win. Yes I am not to fight against you I understand that even though the Truth is not in our understanding.
Hello stillness, can one love their neigbor and God while breaking God's commandments when Jesus says on these two commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the Prophets? The scripture is true and we should believe and Follow him who calls us....

1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Love does no ill towards God and his neigbor therefore LOVE is the filffilling of God's LAW in those who believe. If you are still in your SINS you do not KNOW him who calls you to LOVE another as he has first LOVED you and is why Jesus says; IF you LOVE me keep my Commandments.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.
 

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nah, I'm good. if anyone needs help, it's you. denounce ellen white, throw out all the sda teachings , pick up the Bible, and read it ALL THE WAY THROUGH. you will see what I and others are trying to tell you.

That sounds good in theory. Sadly, I think that he is so brainwashed by SDA garbage that I'm not sure that he is capable of seeing anything that contradicts it. We can only pray that God will free him from his brainwashing.
 
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nah, I'm good. if anyone needs help, it's you.
The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word?

Indeed and if you lose your mirror how will you see yourself and know who you are when you are sick and do not know it.
Many do not know the meaning or who the Savior is or who he has come to call because their mirror is broken or lost.

It is time to leave Sunday school, and learn the meat of the Word. God is calling ALL who have ears to hear and eyes to see. God's Sheep hear his voice and know him who calls them. It is the Word of God that is the power of God's creation.

Those that do not hear him do not KNOW him because they do not FOLLOW him who bids them come. How sad, how sad, for those who choose not to hear or see the one who LOVES them and bids them come for all things are ready. When the night is dark how will you find your way when your lamp has gone out?


Do you know the scripture gb9?
 

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Also by not obeying Him:

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”


Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
This is pretty sad for you isn't it?

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

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You don't believe the Lord can give rest, right?

So according to John 3:36 what does that mean?
 

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This is pretty sad for you isn't it?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

You don't believe the Lord can give rest, right?

So according to John 3:36 what does that mean?
It means what it says, here is another passge with the same thought:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Does anyone here actually beleive they may disoeb the Messiah and it's OK?
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I guess falsely proclaiming somthing and saying it is someones feeling is doctrine now huh?

No, the 7th day Sabbath points to that rest that none have yet entered into, any that claim to are making their own definition of what the rest Yahshua offers is:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for which you also suffer, since [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"[/FONT]
 
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That sounds good in theory. Sadly, I think that he is so brainwashed by SDA garbage that I'm not sure that he is capable of seeing anything that contradicts it. We can only pray that God will free him from his brainwashing.
God's Word is not a theory, it is the Word of God and foolishness to the wisdom of this World in those that do not receive the love of the truth that they may be saved.

Please by all means as I have asked you many time what is it you believe I have shared with you from the Word of God that you believe is not true? Please state your case with the scriptures.

If you cannot you should believe and follow His Word because they are not my words but the Words of my heavenly farther. You do not believe God's Word and I do not judge you.

It is the Word of God however that will just us all in the last days. There is nothing hidded that shall not be revealed judgement day.

Those that are in SIN hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved but he that follows the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day where the Word shall be judge of all and a witness against those who reject it when they had the opportunity to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls them but chose to crucify the Lord of Glory chosing for themselvs Barabas.

Do you know the scriptures MarcR?

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)


Hope this helps.
 

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It means what it says, here is another passge with the same thought:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Does anyone here actually beleive they may disoeb the Messiah and it's OK?




I guess falsely proclaiming somthing and saying it is someones feeling is doctrine now huh?

No, the 7th day Sabbath points to that rest that none have yet entered into, any that claim to are making their own definition of what the rest Yahshua offers is:

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”



Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Like everything else gospel related you are wrong about this as well.

Hebrews 4:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

That's good news, right? When the Lord Jesus offers us rest He is able to give us that rest.

But we have to believe Him.


The 7th day sabbath pointed to the Rest that the Lord Jesus Christ has been giving His People by faith.

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hi every one my teaching on the keeping of the sabbath is that Jesus fulfilled this by his death on the cross we enter into his sabbath rest by trusting in him. The sabbath was for the jews and was on the last day of the week saturday , our sunday is the first day of the week before work we honour the lord on that day it is nothing to do with the old law
 
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God's Word is not a theory, it is the Word of God and foolishness to the wisdom of this World in those that do not receive the love of the truth that they may be saved.

Please by all means as I have asked you many time what is it you believe I have shared with you from the Word of God that you believe is not true? Please state your case with the scriptures.

If you cannot you should believe and follow His Word because they are not my words but the Words of my heavenly farther. You do not believe God's Word and I do not judge you.

It is the Word of God however that will just us all in the last days. There is nothing hidded that shall not be revealed judgement day.

Those that are in SIN hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved but he that follows the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day where the Word shall be judge of all and a witness against those who reject it when they had the opportunity to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls them but chose to crucify the Lord of Glory chosing for themselvs Barabas.

Do you know the scriptures MarcR?

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)


Hope this helps.

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hi every one my teaching on the keeping of the sabbath is that Jesus fulfilled this by his death on the cross we enter into his sabbath rest by trusting in him. The sabbath was for the jews and was on the last day of the week saturday , our sunday is the first day of the week before work we honour the lord on that day it is nothing to do with the old law
Hi Kitty, very nice to meet you and thanks for sharing:)

What do you mean when you say Jesus fulfilled the 4th Commandment by His death on the cross and we enter into his Sabbath rest by trusting him?

To me this statement has some truth in it depending on how you interpret it. How I see it as being true is that Jesus was a perfect sacrifice who died for our sins but trusting him means BELIEVING and FOLLOWING EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God through FAITH that works by LOVE.

What it is NOT saying however is that because Jesus was our perfect sacrifice we are free to brake ANY of God's Commandments. This is why it is written;

If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (Hebrews 10:26-27).

and again.....

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4).

God's people in the wilderness did NOT enter into God's Sabbath rest because they did not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word and this is the same warning to all today (Hebrews 3 and 4).

If we are KNOWINGLY braking ANY of God's 10 Commandments then we do not KNOW him who is calling us to FOLLOW him in LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in the entire bible that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.
 
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Hello JLB nice to see you again my friend. How are you today? Welcome back. Some comments for your consideration below.

The way the Church is instructed in righteousness is through God’s word.
Absolutely and it is the reason we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of GOD and not the traditions and teachings of men

The Lord through His Apostles has left us a set of instructions in the New Testament for how the believer is to conduc t himself in righteousness.
Absolutely God's Word define righteousness as......

Psalms 119
172,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for ALL THY COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

God's Word defines RIGHTEOUSNESS as; Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H6664; צדק; tsedeq;
tseh'-dek; From H6663; the right natural, moral or legal; also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness).


This is why Jesus and all the disiples in the NEW Testament taught it....

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW..........

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..


1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in the entire bible that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

In addition, the Holy Spirit empowers us to do what is instructed of us in the New Testament.
Absolutely, but God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who have REPENTED from their SINS and have received FORGIVENESS through FAITH and now OBEY and Follow Him who calls them to LOVE another as HE first LOVED us. (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 1 John 1:9; Acts 5:32)

If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you then you do not KNOW him and have NOT received the HOLY Spirit because His Spirit is the minister of LOVE and HOLINESS and not SIN. If we KNOWINGLY brake ANY of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN and need to seek him in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS.

If keeping the Sabbath a cer tain way was so important, as to prevent the child of God from entrance into God’s kingdom if not observed correctly, then why don’t we find this specific instruction concerning Sabbath observance anywhere in the New Testament?


The scriptures are there for all to see who BELIEVE and FOLLOW ALL of God's Word and not just SOME of it. ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (2 TIm 3:16; Matt 4:4) The NEW Testament scriptures come from the OLD testament scriptures and these are the two witnesses. The one bares witness to the other.


God's Law (10 commandments) repeated in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

He that says he KNOWS him and does not KEEP His Commandments is as liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4)

What we do find from Paul is instruction about the Sabbath as being insignificant and to not let anyone judge us about it, because it’s only a shadow.Whereas the substance is Christ. 16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17 JPT
Now my friend COL 2:14-17 is what the OP is about if you believe the OP is not true please by all means adress the OP and not just the scriptures the OP is discussing. If you believe the OP is not true then state your case and explain why the scriptures in the OP disagree with your interpretation of them as well as everything sumarised in this post. If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God.

SIN will keep all who knowingly practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.
 
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Hello JLB nice to see you again my friend. How are you today? Welcome back. Some comments for your consideration below.



Absolutely and it is the reason we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of GOD and not the traditions and teachings of men



Absolutely God's Word define righteousness as......

Psalms 119
172,
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for ALL THY COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

God's Word defines RIGHTEOUSNESS as; Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H6664; צדק; tsedeq;
tseh'-dek; From H6663; the right natural, moral or legal; also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness).


This is why Jesus and all the disiples in the NEW Testament taught it....

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW..........

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..


1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in the entire bible that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men every where to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)



Absolutely, but God only gives the Holy Spirit to those who have REPENTED from their SINS and have received FORGIVENESS through FAITH and now OBEY and Follow Him who calls them to LOVE another as HE first LOVED us. (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 1 John 1:9; Acts 5:32)

If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you then you do not KNOW him and have NOT received the HOLY Spirit because His Spirit is the minister of LOVE and HOLINESS and not SIN. If we KNOWINGLY brake ANY of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN and need to seek him in REPENTANCE and FORGIVENESS.



The scriptures are there for all to see who BELIEVE and FOLLOW ALL of God's Word and not just SOME of it. ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (2 TIm 3:16; Matt 4:4) The NEW Testament scriptures come from the OLD testament scriptures and these are the two witnesses. The one bares witness to the other.


God's Law (10 commandments) repeated in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10
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5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

He that says he KNOWS him and does not KEEP His Commandments is as liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4)



Now my friend COL 2:14-17 is what the OP is about if you believe the OP is not true please by all means adress the OP and not just the scriptures the OP is discussing. If you believe the OP is not true then state your case and explain why the scriptures in the OP disagree with your interpretation of them as well as everything sumarised in this post. If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God.

SIN will keep all who knowingly practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.
What we do find from Paul is instruction about the Sabbath as being insignificant and to not let anyone judge us about it, because it’s only a shadow.

Whereas the substance is Christ.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


But hey, if you do find something in the New Testament that does teach us how we are to observe the Sabbath, please let me know.
 
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What we do find from Paul is instruction about the Sabbath as being insignificant and to not let anyone judge us about it, because it’s only a shadow.

Whereas the substance is Christ.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17

But hey, if you do find something in the New Testament that does teach us how we are to observe the Sabbath, please let me know.
Did not want to address the post or the OP? It is ok I did not think you would. It is ok you do not have to. Maybe you can pray about it. :)
 

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Did not want to address the post or the OP? It is ok I did not think you would. It is ok you do not have to. Maybe you can pray about it. :)
it took you about 2 weeks, give or take, to admit that Jesus is Lord. patience , man, patience.
 
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Did not want to address the post or the OP? It is ok I did not think you would. It is ok you do not have to. Maybe you can pray about it. :)
This post certainly has Colossians 2:16-17 which is from the OP.



What we do find from Paul is instruction about the Sabbath as being insignificant and to not let anyone judge us about it, because it’s only a shadow.

Whereas the substance is Christ.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


But hey, if you do find something in the New Testament that does teach us how we are to observe the Sabbath, please let me know.



JPT