GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

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Only the self sanctified or delusional person would say loving Yah and loving their neighbor the way Yah He says is not the way...
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Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:3-17, [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment...”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You have no other mighty ones against My face. (If you love YHWH you will not do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not have idols. (If you love YHWH you will not do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not take the name of YHWH your Strength in vain. (If you love YHWH you will not do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it set apart. (If you love YHWH you will do)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, “...And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18)”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Honor your father and your mother. (If you love you fellow human you will do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not murder. (If you love you fellow human you will do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not commit adultery. (If you love you fellow human you will do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not steal. (If you love you fellow human you will do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (If you love you fellow human you will do)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You shall not covet. (If you love you fellow human you will do)[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, “...On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

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Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

beta said:

I will ask you again if you are willing to come to the NT for NEW learning from JESUS ?
Does HE teach about the 'letter of the old law or does He teach about a NEW understanding of grace, pardon, forgiveness, compassion, LOVE ?
Please also remember that 'All authority has been given JESUS in heaven and in earth....for HE must reign till He has put all enemies under his feet !!! 1Cor 15v25. Also please remember that I am NOT SDA and do not answer for LGF.
The reason I don't spend much time cooking on the Sabbath is because it takes up precious time spent with God on His Holy day...and I don't want to be DISobedient on purpose. I also don't kill violaters because that is not what JESUS teaches....HE tells us to be kind, patient, compassionate and teach TRUTH as required by scripture...the Word of GOD ! It has nothing to do with Moses or SDA - but what GOD wants !!!
Have I made myself a little clearer ?

I learn from NT and I believe every day alike

[h=1]Romans 14:5-12King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

The Creator does not esteem every day alike, He set aside the 7th day at creation:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”'

and also in the new heavens and new earth:

Isaiah 66:22-24, “יהוה. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith יהוה, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith יהוה. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

beta · Jan 20, 2018

I just want to say that this discussion is going on between people who have a 'different spirit !!!

There are those who have the Spirit of Obedience and those with the spirit of DISobedience !

The two will NEVER NEVER agree !!!

There comes a time when it will be be too late Rev 22v11, 14, 15 !!!

Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

Shamah said:

The Creator does not esteem every day alike, He set aside the 7th day at creation:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”'

and also in the new heavens and new earth:

Isaiah 66:22-24, “יהוה. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith יהוה, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith יהוה. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

so you do not believe apostle Paul inspired by Holy Spirit?

Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

Jackson123 said:

You believe Paul is saying the Sabbath is not valid? Then you must believe he disagrees with the Creator. I do not beleive Paul is talking about the Sabbath.

The Messiah says nothing will change, you must then be thinking Paul teaches differently then this if you make Paul to change the Sabbath:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

For you see those against YHWH seek to change His law:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"[/FONT]

beta · Jan 20, 2018

Jackson123 said:

There is no scripture to say that 'every day is alike'.
What you are quoting from Rom 14, is Paul telling us what some people do....NOT that we should do likewise. WE are to follow HIM as he FOLLOWS CHRIST....that is his advice !!! 1 Cor 11v1.

GOD never said we can choose our own holy day...what YOU esteem is NOT more important than GOD ! When you are fully persuaded in your own mind that another day(s) are better than GOD's then you are showing God your own opinion of HIS choice...Zilch ! Is that what you want ...make YOURSELF God because YOU know better ??

If people would only realize just HOW LOW they have sunk in their own estimation ! Death can be the only result. Time to REPENT is running out fast - fast !

Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Only in [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]do I have righteousness and strength[/FONT][/FONT]"

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."[/FONT]

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*Sign is Word #H226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is the same Hebrew word (owth) from Exodus 13:9, this time it is used speaking of a specific Law; the Sabbath and is called the sign/mark/evidence of consent. Also notice how YHWH says, “I am YHWH Who sanctifies them.” If I choose my own way I “sanctify myself” if I choose His way “He sanctifies me.” The following passage shows an example of those who “sanctify themselves” and if we consider the context of time frame, it is end times, shown by the return of YHWH when He will make judgment;[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:20-25, “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who have escaped from the nations. No knowledge have they who are lifting up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does not save. Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Strength and a Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Mighty, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear. One shall say, ‘Only in [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame. In [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]all the seed of Yisra’yl shall be declared right and boast.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 66:15-24, For, behold, [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16, For by fire and by his sword will [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]plead with all flesh: and the slain of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה shall be many. 17, They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one in the center (H310 [/FONT]אַחַר [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'achar - H259 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֶחָד [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'echad - H8432 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]תָּוֶךְ [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]tavek, meaning following behind one in the center of a congregation), eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. 18, For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19, And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20, And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. 21, And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. 22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], so shall your seed and your name remain. 23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. 24, And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Only in יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]do I have righteousness and strength[/FONT][/FONT]"[/FONT]
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Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]

Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

Shamah said:

You believe Paul is saying the Sabbath is not valid? Then you must believe he disagrees with the Creator. I do not beleive Paul is talking about the Sabbath.

The Messiah says nothing will change, you must then be thinking Paul teaches differently then this if you make Paul to change the Sabbath:

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

For you see those against YHWH seek to change His law:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

read again my friend for Paul every day alike is ok

Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

beta said:

Read again

[h=1]Romans 14:5-12King James Version (KJV)[/h]5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

did Paul say not to esteemeth every day alike?

you say that you not SDA, do you believe hell is eternal?

Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

Shamah said:

So you read the Messiah's words that say nothing will change and repl it has been changed by Paul? Odd.

Jackson123 said:

No he said some people view every day alike, each has to make his own mind up and that Yah is the judge:

Romans 14:5-12,

"14:5, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

"14:6, "He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto יהוה; and he that regardeth not the day, to יהוה he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to יהוה, for he giveth יהוה thanks; and he that eateth not, to יהוה he eateth not, and giveth יהוה thanks."

14:7, "For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself."

14:8, "For whether we live, we live unto יהוה; and whether we die, we die unto יהוה: whether we live therefore, or die, we are יהוה's."

14:9, "For to this end the Messiah both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Sovereign both of the dead and living."

14:10, "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of the Messiah."

14:11, "For it is written, As I live, saith יהוה, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to יהוה."

14:12, "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to יהוה."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:18, "For thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Creator of the heavens, He is Mighty, Sculptor of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and there is none else."[/FONT][/FONT]

Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

Shamah said:

You believe Word never pass away, why don't you kill sabbath violator

Umberto 15

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.

I repeat this verse 1000 X and you keep forget.

Shamah · Jan 20, 2018

Jackson123 said:

i answered this more than 10 times to you.

Why dont you kill adulterers?

Yahshua is judge He will judge when He returns:

Psalms 62:9-12, “Sons of Aḏam are but a breath, Sons of men are a lie; If weighed in the scales, They are altogether lighter than breath. Do not trust in oppression. And do not become vain in robbery; If riches increase, Do not set your heart on them. The Mighty One has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That strength belongs to Yah. And loving-commitment is Yours, O יהוה; For You reward each one according to his work.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

“*done” is word #G4160 ποιέω poieo (poi-ye'-ō) v., to make or do.
{in a very wide application, more or less direct; properly refers to a single act thus differing from G4238}, [apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary], Compare: G4238

“*practiced” G4238 πράσσω prasso (pras'-sō) v., 1. to practice, i.e. perform repeatedly or habitually., 2. (by implication) to execute, accomplish, etc., 3. (specially) to collect (dues), fare (personally)., {differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act}, [a primary verb], KJV: commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts, Compare: G4160

Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”

Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."

2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

Shamah said:

So you read the Messiah's words that say nothing will change and repl it has been changed by Paul? Odd.

No he said some people view every day alike, each has to make his own mind up and that Yah is the judge:

Romans 14:5-12,

"14:5, "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

"14:6, "He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto יהוה; and he that regardeth not the day, to יהוה he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to יהוה, for he giveth יהוה thanks; and he that eateth not, to יהוה he eateth not, and giveth יהוה thanks."

14:7, "For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself."

14:8, "For whether we live, we live unto יהוה; and whether we die, we die unto יהוה: whether we live therefore, or die, we are יהוה's."

14:9, "For to this end the Messiah both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Sovereign both of the dead and living."

14:10, "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of the Messiah."

14:11, "For it is written, As I live, saith יהוה, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to יהוה."

14:12, "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to יהוה."

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

Isaiah 45:18, "For thus said יהוה, Creator of the heavens, He is Mighty, Sculptor of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am יהוה, and there is none else."

Do not add word friend, Nothing in this verse say YAh is judge

Basically Paul say It is ok to esteemeth every day alike AS long AS you do It for the Lord

Jackson123 · Jan 20, 2018

Shamah said:

i answered this more than 10 times to you.

Why dont you kill adulterers?

Yahshua is judge He will judge when He returns:

Psalms 62:9-12, “Sons of Aḏam are but a breath, Sons of men are a lie; If weighed in the scales, They are altogether lighter than breath. Do not trust in oppression. And do not become vain in robbery; If riches increase, Do not set your heart on them. The Mighty One has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That strength belongs to Yah. And loving-commitment is Yours, O יהוה; For You reward each one according to his work.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

“*done” is word #G4160 ποιέω poieo (poi-ye'-ō) v., to make or do.
{in a very wide application, more or less direct; properly refers to a single act thus differing from G4238}, [apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary], Compare: G4238

“*practiced” G4238 πράσσω prasso (pras'-sō) v., 1. to practice, i.e. perform repeatedly or habitually., 2. (by implication) to execute, accomplish, etc., 3. (specially) to collect (dues), fare (personally)., {differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act}, [a primary verb], KJV: commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts, Compare: G4160

Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”

Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."

2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”

I answere your question more then 3 x you keep forget.
If you believe word never pass, why do not you kill adulterer aswell?

this question is for yourself.

Kill adulterer is for Israel this word not for me.

I believe the word for Israel bit different for me

sabbath is for Israel, sabbath is not alone, kill the violator is include.

LoveGodForever · Jan 20, 2018

Jackson123 said:

How sad for you my friend how sad how sad. There is only life in the living Word.

If you have lost your word then you lose your life. If you have the Word and do not FOLLOW it then what use is the WORD you have lost your life.

It is the Word of LIFE to those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of life. How sad how sad when those have the Words of life given to them but refuse the Word's of LIFE. How sad how sad.

If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear.

The Word that is rejected will not go away and will return to remind us come judgement day what was freely given to give LIFE and what is rejected in choosing death.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

LoveGodForever · Jan 20, 2018

posthuman said:

i still haven't had an answer to my question either.

the great and learned Studyman has taught me that when Paul says "let no one judge you with regard to observing new moon festivals, feasts and sabbath days" what Paul actually means is "judge one another with regard to their failure to observe new moon festivals, feasts and sabbath days" -- and that the obvious problem with how poorly this interpretation actually fits the text is that "the Pharisees made up their own sacred days and that's what you shouldn't judge one another over"

the problem here is that there's not really any way to "make up your own new moon" -- there's one obvious new moon in the sky. God put it there. you can't say when the moon is 1/4 that "oh, this will be called new moon now, we made it up and you must observe it"

so the new moon. Rosh Chodesh. the scripture tells the Israelites to observe it.
reading through the thread, if i believe what is written, i am in danger of eternal hellfire and damnation if i don't observe the new moon. doesn't matter that Christ died for me, i'm condemned anyway unless i don't worship God on sundays, don't .. do something undefined ((because we threw out all the Law except Exodus 20, well most of Exodus 20 too, but not the SACRED TEN part just all the rest of it)) .. something still undefined i don't do on saturdays, keep the actual feasts ((not Chanukah)), and observe the new moon festival.

my question, unanswered for at least two new moons now, is what am i supposed to do to avoid death and hell on the new moon? obviously believing in the all-sufficient sacrifice and atonement of Christ's blood is not enough ((according to what this thread teaches))

will someone please tell me how to observe the new moon festival? it's not like i want to go to hell. previously i thought Christ was enough to save me, then i read this thread..

can no one help?
who will save me from this body of death?

Seems you have not read the OP. Why do you feel a need to keep a full moon?

LoveGodForever · Jan 20, 2018

posthuman said:

There is no truth in this whatsoever my friend. It is only through LOVE that anyone can OBEY God's LAW through faith. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE. IF your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS and your tree will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE at the 2nd coming because the wages of SIN is death (James 2:18: 20:26: Matthew 7:13-23; Romans 6:23) Now lets look at the scriptures on LOVE and LAW.......

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

Let's have a look................................................

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.

Matthew 22:26-40
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer.............................

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal
life? And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER
INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID,THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU
SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James..............

James 2
If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do
well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL. 11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S
LAW.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about
the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word.........

Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, T</span><b>HOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly
comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor:
therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what are talking about, God’s Law of Love is
God's 10 commandments. It is only through Faith that works by love that anyone can walk in the Spirit which produces the fruit of obedience because love is the fulfilling of God’s Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight.

.............

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day. God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly
break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not
following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

FlyingDove · Jan 20, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

1st James is written to Jews. James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, """"to the twelve tribes""" which are scattered abroad, greeting.

2ndly, Who is Moses writing to in Exodus? Jews!

Sabbath Observance, Israel & Gentiles

On Mt Sinai at the 1st Pentecost, when Moses give's the Law. The Nation of Israel is born. This is a covenant between God & Israel.

Gentiles were never a part of this law covenant: Rom 2:14 (A) For when the Gentiles, which have not the law,

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore """the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath""", to observe the sabbath """throughout their generations""", for a perpetual covenant.

17 """It is a sign between me and the children of Israel""" for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
(NOTE: Sabbath abservance is between God & Israel. Gentiles NEVER had a law covenant w/God)

Nehemiah 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant
(NOTE: These LAW statutes & commandments: were given to & BEGAN with Moses & Israel "NOT BEFORE" after the deliverence from Egypt. Read the verses piror to 13 & 14 for futher clarity)

Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
(NOTE: The Sabbath commandment came after the deliverence from Egypt. And was given only to the Nation of Israel)

Conclusion:
Sabbath observance did not precede the Law of Moses. God's requirement for ""Israel"" to keep the Sabbath does not exist until after the deliverance from Egyptian bondage. And gentiles were never a part of this Law Covenant.
Righteousness, Justification, Faith & Law Keeping
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(NOTE: If righteousness comes thru law keeping, then Christ died in vain)

Galatians 2:16 A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(NOTE: People are justified = "Declared Righteousness by God Himself" Thru the FAITH of & in Christ. NOT thru law keeping)

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
(NOTE: God declared Abraham Righteous thru/by his FAITH)

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
(No person is justified = "Declared Righteousness by God Himself" by law keeping. Justification comes thru Faith)

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
(NOTE: Gentiles enter into God's promise made to Abraham. By Faith placed in Christ's redemptive work)

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(NOTE: God made a "By Faith" PROMISE to Abraham, 430 years, before Moses give's the law to Israel. The law DOES NOT ANNUL God's earlier promise)

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
(NOTE: The law was to teach of & reveal sin. Leading to justification = "Declared Righteousness by God Himself". Which come by Faith placed in Christ's redemptive work)

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(NOTE: Now that the laws price for sin (DEATH) has been paid by Christ. The old sin teacher (Mr. Law) is no longer needed/valid)

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
(NOTE: Everyone becomes a child of God, by Faith placed in Christ's redemptive work. Not thru law keeping)

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
(NOTE: Now! Righteousness without law keeping is made manifest/revealed)

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
(NOTE: Righteousness comes thru/by Faith placed in Christ's redemptive sin payment. NOT THRU/BY LAW KEEPING)

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(NOTE: Christ's redemptive sin payment. Ends becoming righteous by law keeping)

JESUS CAME TO FULFIL THE LAW:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(NOTE: Anyone claiming the law has not been fulfilled. Claims Messiah failed at his mission)

WILL OF THE FATHER:
Matt 7:21 Jesus said; Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; """"but he that doeth the will of my Father"""" which is in heaven.

HOW WE DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER:
John 6:40 Jesus said; This is the will of him that sent me, that every one which """seeth the Son, and believeth on him""", may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(NOTE: The will of the Father is: Place your Faith in the redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in Christ's death (SINS PAYMENT) burial & resurrection (GODS RECEIPT PAYMENT RECEIVED)

Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, & called us with an holy calling, not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Ep 2:8-9
8 By grace" are ye saved through faith not of yourselves it is the gift of God
9 Not of works lest any man should boast

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(NOTE: Anyone seeking justification thru law keeping. Has fallen from GRACE)

GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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