GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Jesus showed himself to be the messiah and gave plenty of evidence, (true).
I could show you that the Sabbath is Gods will and give plenty of evidence. The question is do you believe or not?
Many didn't believe in Jesus even when He rose and they justified it in their own minds.
The heart is deceitful above all....
Keeping the laws as a means to be saved is not what this is about because i haven't read anyone say that works is the means of salvation.
Is it God's will that we keep the Sabbath today? This is the question that needs to be answered.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
If it is Gods will that we keep The Sabbath we will do it because we love Him.
I could show you that the Sabbath is Gods will and give plenty of evidence. The question is do you believe or not?
Many didn't believe in Jesus even when He rose and they justified it in their own minds.
The heart is deceitful above all....
Keeping the laws as a means to be saved is not what this is about because i haven't read anyone say that works is the means of salvation.
Is it God's will that we keep the Sabbath today? This is the question that needs to be answered.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
If it is Gods will that we keep The Sabbath we will do it because we love Him.
You keep framing the argument with the false characterization that I or anyone else here is trying to dissuade sabbatarians from keeping the law. That's completely false. What we are doing is standing against their false teaching that sabbath observation is obligatory for everyone. Their weakness of faith in the matter, or their complete lack of faith, doesn't give them license to proselytize a false gospel unopposed.
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You have ABSOLUTELY zero proof that the terms "my commandments" or "his commandments" in any way include the Sabbath!
Furthermore, if Sabbath observance really had the prominence that the SDA's and others insist that it does then one would certainly think that the NT would be absolutely replete with MULTIPLE EXPLICIT references to this fact........
Yet, the silence is absolutely deafening!!!!!!!
Furthermore, if Sabbath observance really had the prominence that the SDA's and others insist that it does then one would certainly think that the NT would be absolutely replete with MULTIPLE EXPLICIT references to this fact........
Yet, the silence is absolutely deafening!!!!!!!
Modern theologians use Paul’s writings in Colossians to criticize the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath. In Colossians 2:11-17, Paul admonishes the followers of Christ not to have a religion of legalism. He refers to “the handwriting of ordinances” which were nailed to the cross, and finally admonishes the believers in this way:
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ (Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV).
“The handwriting of ordinances” refers to the ceremonial law, which pointed to the ministry of Christ. It does not apply to the Ten Commandment law.
The sabbaths referred to in verse 16 are mentioned together with food, drink, and festivals, none of which occur in the Ten Commandments. Paul is stating here that the ceremonial law and all the special sabbaths (Not weekly) find their fulfillment in Christ.
He also states in Ephesians 2:15, “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.” This law of ordinances was a “shadow of things to come” (Colossians 2:17), a symbolic representation of Christ's coming and return. Upon His death, Jesus fulfilled the first step of the sanctuary service—the sacrifice of the lamb to take away the sinner’s guilt.
Colossians 2:14 describes the handwriting of ordinances as being “against us” and “contrary to us.” Paul writes that Christ “took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” Many people say that this is the proof that the law of the Ten Commandments was nailed to the cross, and it is no longer applicable to us. But careful reading shows that Colossians 2 is not discussing the Ten Commandment law at all. In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, we learn which book of the law was against us:
And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark fo the covenant of the Lord saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God that it may be there for a witness against thee.
So it is the ceremonial law written by Moses, the very law contained handwriting of ordinances, that was against us. The Ten Commandments is never called a "law against us. It was always called the “perfect law of liberty” or even the "royal law" (James 1:25; 2:8-12). This law is also called just and good, pure, righteous, and perfect (Psalm 19:7,8; 119:172; Romans 7:12).
The ceremonial law or handwriting of ordinances pointed to a future event—the death of Christ—serving to remind people of their salvation only through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments is a memorial to Creation and redemption, and is not "a shadow of things to come."
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ (Colossians 2:16-17 NKJV).
“The handwriting of ordinances” refers to the ceremonial law, which pointed to the ministry of Christ. It does not apply to the Ten Commandment law.
The sabbaths referred to in verse 16 are mentioned together with food, drink, and festivals, none of which occur in the Ten Commandments. Paul is stating here that the ceremonial law and all the special sabbaths (Not weekly) find their fulfillment in Christ.
He also states in Ephesians 2:15, “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.” This law of ordinances was a “shadow of things to come” (Colossians 2:17), a symbolic representation of Christ's coming and return. Upon His death, Jesus fulfilled the first step of the sanctuary service—the sacrifice of the lamb to take away the sinner’s guilt.
Colossians 2:14 describes the handwriting of ordinances as being “against us” and “contrary to us.” Paul writes that Christ “took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.” Many people say that this is the proof that the law of the Ten Commandments was nailed to the cross, and it is no longer applicable to us. But careful reading shows that Colossians 2 is not discussing the Ten Commandment law at all. In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, we learn which book of the law was against us:
And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark fo the covenant of the Lord saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God that it may be there for a witness against thee.
So it is the ceremonial law written by Moses, the very law contained handwriting of ordinances, that was against us. The Ten Commandments is never called a "law against us. It was always called the “perfect law of liberty” or even the "royal law" (James 1:25; 2:8-12). This law is also called just and good, pure, righteous, and perfect (Psalm 19:7,8; 119:172; Romans 7:12).
The ceremonial law or handwriting of ordinances pointed to a future event—the death of Christ—serving to remind people of their salvation only through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. The Sabbath of the Ten Commandments is a memorial to Creation and redemption, and is not "a shadow of things to come."
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Whole law, The Sabbath is part of that law.
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Whole law, The Sabbath is part of that law.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
When was it made? At creation..before sin.
The lack of texts stating that you should obey the sabbath does not make it void. There is more stating that we should obey than there is that state that we shouldn't obey.
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
When was it made? At creation..before sin.
The lack of texts stating that you should obey the sabbath does not make it void. There is more stating that we should obey than there is that state that we shouldn't obey.
Adventist theology incorrectly and cynically tries to slice and dice the law (the Torah) into different bits and pieces, using the fact that the decalogue is recorded on stone and the rest of the Torah recorded on parchment scrolls.
They also use the so-called "law of God" and "law of Moses" to further bolster their case - however, even a fairly superficial study of the occurrences of these phrases quickly establishes that are used interchangeably, and therefore the Adventist claim that the 'law of God" represents the Ten commandments, and, the "law of Moses" represents the rest of the law is demonstrably false.
There is no biblical justification for the notion of slicing and dicing the law (the Torah) into bits and pieces, and this notion was unknown to the authors and characters of the Bible!
So, it then becomes impossible for Adventists to claim, as they do, that somehow Jesus Christ in his blood sacrifice on the cross, fulfilled and therefore abrogated the law with respect to everything but the Ten commandments.
No!
The Ten commandments are abrogated along with the rest of the Torah!
The New Testament explicitly makes mention of nine of the ten commandments as being part of the New covenant ethic, however the Sabbath is pointedly absent!
There is absolutely no mention in the New Testament that the Sabbath is binding, in any way shape or form, on New covenant believers!
None whatsoever!
This is especially important since, for all practical purposes, Adventist theology makes Sabbath observance the final discriminator between the saved and the lost!
According to Adventist theology all those who disobey any of the Ten commandments are to carry the Mark of the Beast.
Since NOT observing the Sabbath breaks a commandment that they believe is still in force then axiomatically any person who worships on a Sunday will carry the Mark of the Beast, and therefore are condemned!
To emphasise, Adventist theology also claims that the Seal of God is Sabbath observance!
So here we have it:
* the Mark of the Beast = Sunday worship = condemnation.
* the Seal of God = Sabbath observance = salvation (as long as the individual continues to observe it to the last).
In Adventist theology Sabbath observance is NOT a matter of conscience....
Simply put - all who fail to observe the Sabbath are apostate, carry the Mark of the Beast, and are condemned!
They also use the so-called "law of God" and "law of Moses" to further bolster their case - however, even a fairly superficial study of the occurrences of these phrases quickly establishes that are used interchangeably, and therefore the Adventist claim that the 'law of God" represents the Ten commandments, and, the "law of Moses" represents the rest of the law is demonstrably false.
There is no biblical justification for the notion of slicing and dicing the law (the Torah) into bits and pieces, and this notion was unknown to the authors and characters of the Bible!
So, it then becomes impossible for Adventists to claim, as they do, that somehow Jesus Christ in his blood sacrifice on the cross, fulfilled and therefore abrogated the law with respect to everything but the Ten commandments.
No!
The Ten commandments are abrogated along with the rest of the Torah!
The New Testament explicitly makes mention of nine of the ten commandments as being part of the New covenant ethic, however the Sabbath is pointedly absent!
There is absolutely no mention in the New Testament that the Sabbath is binding, in any way shape or form, on New covenant believers!
None whatsoever!
This is especially important since, for all practical purposes, Adventist theology makes Sabbath observance the final discriminator between the saved and the lost!
According to Adventist theology all those who disobey any of the Ten commandments are to carry the Mark of the Beast.
Since NOT observing the Sabbath breaks a commandment that they believe is still in force then axiomatically any person who worships on a Sunday will carry the Mark of the Beast, and therefore are condemned!
To emphasise, Adventist theology also claims that the Seal of God is Sabbath observance!
So here we have it:
* the Mark of the Beast = Sunday worship = condemnation.
* the Seal of God = Sabbath observance = salvation (as long as the individual continues to observe it to the last).
In Adventist theology Sabbath observance is NOT a matter of conscience....
Simply put - all who fail to observe the Sabbath are apostate, carry the Mark of the Beast, and are condemned!
Lets not forget the rest on the seventh day of creation for a reason.
When did God say it was OK to ignore the blessing that He put on the seventh day of the week. When God blessed it, was it only blessed for a time or for all time? We still have a seven day week today and we can be sure which day is the Sabbath in that cycle. Jesus kept it Holy.
When did God say it was OK to ignore the blessing that He put on the seventh day of the week. When God blessed it, was it only blessed for a time or for all time? We still have a seven day week today and we can be sure which day is the Sabbath in that cycle. Jesus kept it Holy.
Jesus kept the law during his lifetime for two reasons:
* He was a Jew born under the Law; and
* His entire mission on earth was to fulfil the Law!
The Sabbath was given to man ONLY at the time that God gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai as recorded starting in Exodus.
No individual prior to this time observed the Sabbath or even knew such a thing existed....
The Sabbath was revolutionary and was the sign of the Sinaitic covenant!
The law, along with the Sabbath was part of a temporary covenant, instituted in Exodus and abrogated by the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross!
New covenant believers have no obligation to the Sabbath nor any other law in the Torah!
Nine out of the ten commandments are explicitly mentioned as part of the New covenant ethic - the Sabbath is not mentioned....
If the Sabbath exists in any way today as relevant for New covenant believers then it is described in Heb 4:1-9.
And that description is most definitely not a description of the seventh day Sabbath!
* He was a Jew born under the Law; and
* His entire mission on earth was to fulfil the Law!
The Sabbath was given to man ONLY at the time that God gave the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai as recorded starting in Exodus.
No individual prior to this time observed the Sabbath or even knew such a thing existed....
The Sabbath was revolutionary and was the sign of the Sinaitic covenant!
The law, along with the Sabbath was part of a temporary covenant, instituted in Exodus and abrogated by the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross!
New covenant believers have no obligation to the Sabbath nor any other law in the Torah!
Nine out of the ten commandments are explicitly mentioned as part of the New covenant ethic - the Sabbath is not mentioned....
If the Sabbath exists in any way today as relevant for New covenant believers then it is described in Heb 4:1-9.
And that description is most definitely not a description of the seventh day Sabbath!
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the most and highest blessing is salvation. And we get this blessing by accept Jesus.
sabbath or rest is also product of accepting jesus
[h=1]Matthew 11:28 King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest./sabbath
thi is the real sabbath
one may close his office on Saturday, but his mind may not rest
Jesus promise real sabbath for one who come to Him, real
not a shadow sabbath
sabbath or rest is also product of accepting jesus
[h=1]Matthew 11:28 King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest./sabbath
thi is the real sabbath
one may close his office on Saturday, but his mind may not rest
Jesus promise real sabbath for one who come to Him, real
not a shadow sabbath
