GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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The Jesus of the Bible, the only Jesus I know, said, "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." (Luk 16:16 KJV)
About John the Baptist, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: (Mat 11:7-11 KJV)
The law and the prophets, meaning the Tanakh or the Mikra ended with John the Baptist and "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Mat 4:17 KJV)
Luke 16:16 continues and in verse 17 we read, "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail, meaning that God's new order fulfills the law and the prophets of the Old Testament, the Tanakh.
The law is likened to a sheepfold, where during the hours of darkness the sheep are pend in. Come daylight, and remember Jesus is the light of the world, the shepherd lets out the sheep and they all press out into the green pasture.
This is the end of the Old Covenant and the beginning of God's New Covenant with us and what we as Christians need to know in our Christian life can all be found in the New Testament.
May God bless.
About John the Baptist, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: (Mat 11:7-11 KJV)
The law and the prophets, meaning the Tanakh or the Mikra ended with John the Baptist and "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Mat 4:17 KJV)
Luke 16:16 continues and in verse 17 we read, "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail, meaning that God's new order fulfills the law and the prophets of the Old Testament, the Tanakh.
The law is likened to a sheepfold, where during the hours of darkness the sheep are pend in. Come daylight, and remember Jesus is the light of the world, the shepherd lets out the sheep and they all press out into the green pasture.
This is the end of the Old Covenant and the beginning of God's New Covenant with us and what we as Christians need to know in our Christian life can all be found in the New Testament.
May God bless.
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Sure it does. And I don't think you read the post to which you responded to. If you did please reread it.
No it speaks of the Gospel Rest in the beginning of the Chapter and then states that those who enter into the Rest of the Gospel cease from there own works as GOD did from HIS.
As you know This verse is being stated in relation to the previous text.
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.(Heb 3:18-19 KJV)
This comment here is why I do not think you read the post to which you responded to. Verse one starts with the word therefore. Which ties into what was previously stated. Why is this important?
Context is why. Here follow along please
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise beingleft us of entering into his rest (theGospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the Gospel(His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: butthe word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them thatheard it. For we which have believed do enter intorest (His Rest; the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if theyshall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is ourLife): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (theGospel Rest has been available since Eden)
The post to which you responded to never stated it was. The Rest that they were coming short of was the Gospel rest. Verse one and two make that clear as shown above. Rest and the Gospel are being used synonymously.
They might of thought they were. But if one does not receive the Gospel one can not keep the Sabbath. In reality one can not do anything in the Spirit without receiving the Gospel.
The us is all believers. If we heard the Gospel and accepted Christ in out lives the statement would include us indirectly. At the time of Jesus there were many Gentile believers who who had accepted Judaism and were part of the Church. But after Christ when this Letter was written there were many more. And part of the many more would have known of this letter because it would of have been copied and shared throughout the area it was written and beyond.
Yes we are still speaking of the Gospel Rest as was shown by the post to which you respond to.
For we which have believed do enter into rest(His Rest; the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shallenter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is ourLife): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
I like, "although the works were finished from the foundation of the world". That shows GOD's grace through the Lamb slain from the foundation of the World has been available since the foundation of the World. (theGospel Rest through Christ has been available since Eden)
It would be a sin unto my heart if it were not mentioned that the version you are using does not translate the text as it was written by the writer through GOD. The word not is not even implied in the Greek in the clause ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ the word if is.
If GOD had meant to use the word not HE would have inspired the writer to do so as HE did in verse 3:18, "And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest". He did not use the word not in verse three He used the the word if.
The word not throws the whole context out of wack. How could some enter into the Gospel Rest as the writer through the Spirit shares in verses 2 and the beginning of 3, if GOD states in the next clause they shall not?
Amen!
First things first; the word not is not in any of Greek Manuscripts in this verse either. The word for if is. And by the way the word place in verse five is not in any of the Greek text either. These two facts are extremely important if we are going to understand the text in the way GOD intended.
These verses are actually a direct call from GOD through the writer to heed to the Seventh Day Sabbath.
Here look....
4) ForHE (GOD) spake in a certain place (the giving of the Commandments on Mt. Sinia)of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventhday from all his works.
5,6) And in this again,(GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) Iftheyshall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life).Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel, andthey to whom it was first preached entered not in (the Gospel) because ofunbelief (obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will):
In this again GOD speaks of the Seventh Day as HE did on Mt Sinia IF we receive the Gospel Rest in Christ. GOD is calling us tothe Word that HE spoke of the Seventh Day on Mt Sinia.
Our rest inHIM and HE in us enables us now to partake of the Seventh Day Sabbath'shallowedness. The Day GOD God blessed and sanctified. Sanctified means HE set it apart from all other.
Who HE set it apart for?
HIMSELF?
NO! The Sabbath was made for man; not man for the Sabbath.
Amen, but they had the opportunity as the previous text brings out emphatically.
Amen! These verses are a call to repentance.
Joshua's leading them into the promise land was asymbol of what they already had available to them. After the forty years ofroaming and seeing GOD's loving and guiding hand they were still only willingto receive the physical blessings and not the Spiritual; HIS Rest in Christ.
The verse is being spoken in the present tense as ongoing; not future. As you know The word rest in this text is a different word in Greek than what was used for rest previously in this chapter. So it should be translated differently. If it did not matter why would GOD have inspired the writer to use a different word.
9) There remaineth (present tense) therefore aSabbath keeping to the people of God.
This verse is brings us back to verse 4 that is why it uses the word therefore. So, "And in this again, (GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) If they shall enter into my rest(the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life)."
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
"he" is anyone who has accepted the gospel spoken of in vs 2, [/quote] Amen!
The clause "HIS Rest" draws us back to verse one. As you stated this Rest is HIS Rest; the Gospel. The himself and his that follow that in the version you quoted brings us back to the he (us)who has entered into His Rest. Notice the version you quoted does not these words capitalized.
10) For he that is entered into His Rest (theGospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
"As" is directComparison. There is no way around that. So it is A Ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. Itis the calling to those who entered in their rest (the Gospel rest in Jesus inGOD) to cease from their work AS GOD did. GOD ceased from HIS PHYSICAL work onthe Seventh Day. GOD is already and foreverSpirit. So HE did not enter enter into any Spiritual rest like we do. He is our Spiritual rest. So we in harmony with Christ andthe FATHER cease from our work on the Seventh Day as HE did. As verse 5 states, "in this again (Seventh Day) if they shall enter in my Rest; (the Gospel).
So what are our instructions in regards to keeping theSabbath?
Because we have received theGospel; the new heart and mind through Christ Jesus; old things having passedaway, all things being new and of GOD. We Simply cease from our own works asGOD did from HIS. He simply rested from work; so we rest as HE did.
Since He through Christ hallowed us; what we finally have is a Holy hallowed people entering into the Day; the Seventh Day that God had blessed and hallowed (set apart) for us to rest physically without defiling it with our unsanctified presence.
No this is an earnest plea not fall back into stiff neck hard hearted unbelief described in chapter three. Judaism very well could be part of this but contextual speaking it is not.
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the Gospel (His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
As was stated earlier, the word therefore draws back to what was previously stated.
The word Unbelief is obstinate, rebellious disobedience. The version you use translates the Greek word to disobedience whereas the KJV translates it unbelief. I like yours better in this instance.
Anyway this unbelief is discussed earlier in chapter 3
Hebrews
3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day, [now] if ye will hear his voice,......
8 Harden not your hearts,......
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, (his indwelling Spirit) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned,
So in summary to this what we have is; Through an Evil heart of unbelief, we depart from the living God, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. We will not know His ways.
So today if we hear HIS voice, harden not our hearts, as in the provocation when they did provoke. Them that sinned. The evil hearted unbelievers, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. These are whom Which HE is grieved! Them that sinned and had not held their confidence steadfast unto the end. These are those who had not entered into His Rest; the Gospel Rest which is available in Christ. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest (His Rest, the Gospel), lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
No it speaks of the Gospel Rest in the beginning of the Chapter and then states that those who enter into the Rest of the Gospel cease from there own works as GOD did from HIS.
As you know This verse is being stated in relation to the previous text.
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.(Heb 3:18-19 KJV)
This comment here is why I do not think you read the post to which you responded to. Verse one starts with the word therefore. Which ties into what was previously stated. Why is this important?
Context is why. Here follow along please
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise beingleft us of entering into his rest (theGospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the Gospel(His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: butthe word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them thatheard it. For we which have believed do enter intorest (His Rest; the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if theyshall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is ourLife): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (theGospel Rest has been available since Eden)
The post to which you responded to never stated it was. The Rest that they were coming short of was the Gospel rest. Verse one and two make that clear as shown above. Rest and the Gospel are being used synonymously.
They might of thought they were. But if one does not receive the Gospel one can not keep the Sabbath. In reality one can not do anything in the Spirit without receiving the Gospel.
The us is all believers. If we heard the Gospel and accepted Christ in out lives the statement would include us indirectly. At the time of Jesus there were many Gentile believers who who had accepted Judaism and were part of the Church. But after Christ when this Letter was written there were many more. And part of the many more would have known of this letter because it would of have been copied and shared throughout the area it was written and beyond.
Yes we are still speaking of the Gospel Rest as was shown by the post to which you respond to.
For we which have believed do enter into rest(His Rest; the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shallenter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is ourLife): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
I like, "although the works were finished from the foundation of the world". That shows GOD's grace through the Lamb slain from the foundation of the World has been available since the foundation of the World. (theGospel Rest through Christ has been available since Eden)
It would be a sin unto my heart if it were not mentioned that the version you are using does not translate the text as it was written by the writer through GOD. The word not is not even implied in the Greek in the clause ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ the word if is.
If GOD had meant to use the word not HE would have inspired the writer to do so as HE did in verse 3:18, "And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest". He did not use the word not in verse three He used the the word if.
The word not throws the whole context out of wack. How could some enter into the Gospel Rest as the writer through the Spirit shares in verses 2 and the beginning of 3, if GOD states in the next clause they shall not?
Amen!
First things first; the word not is not in any of Greek Manuscripts in this verse either. The word for if is. And by the way the word place in verse five is not in any of the Greek text either. These two facts are extremely important if we are going to understand the text in the way GOD intended.
These verses are actually a direct call from GOD through the writer to heed to the Seventh Day Sabbath.
Here look....
4) ForHE (GOD) spake in a certain place (the giving of the Commandments on Mt. Sinia)of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventhday from all his works.
5,6) And in this again,(GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) Iftheyshall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life).Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel, andthey to whom it was first preached entered not in (the Gospel) because ofunbelief (obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will):
In this again GOD speaks of the Seventh Day as HE did on Mt Sinia IF we receive the Gospel Rest in Christ. GOD is calling us tothe Word that HE spoke of the Seventh Day on Mt Sinia.
Our rest inHIM and HE in us enables us now to partake of the Seventh Day Sabbath'shallowedness. The Day GOD God blessed and sanctified. Sanctified means HE set it apart from all other.
Who HE set it apart for?
HIMSELF?
NO! The Sabbath was made for man; not man for the Sabbath.
Amen, but they had the opportunity as the previous text brings out emphatically.
Amen! These verses are a call to repentance.
Joshua's leading them into the promise land was asymbol of what they already had available to them. After the forty years ofroaming and seeing GOD's loving and guiding hand they were still only willingto receive the physical blessings and not the Spiritual; HIS Rest in Christ.
The verse is being spoken in the present tense as ongoing; not future. As you know The word rest in this text is a different word in Greek than what was used for rest previously in this chapter. So it should be translated differently. If it did not matter why would GOD have inspired the writer to use a different word.
9) There remaineth (present tense) therefore aSabbath keeping to the people of God.
This verse is brings us back to verse 4 that is why it uses the word therefore. So, "And in this again, (GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) If they shall enter into my rest(the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life)."
10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
"he" is anyone who has accepted the gospel spoken of in vs 2, [/quote] Amen!
The clause "HIS Rest" draws us back to verse one. As you stated this Rest is HIS Rest; the Gospel. The himself and his that follow that in the version you quoted brings us back to the he (us)who has entered into His Rest. Notice the version you quoted does not these words capitalized.
10) For he that is entered into His Rest (theGospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
"As" is directComparison. There is no way around that. So it is A Ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. Itis the calling to those who entered in their rest (the Gospel rest in Jesus inGOD) to cease from their work AS GOD did. GOD ceased from HIS PHYSICAL work onthe Seventh Day. GOD is already and foreverSpirit. So HE did not enter enter into any Spiritual rest like we do. He is our Spiritual rest. So we in harmony with Christ andthe FATHER cease from our work on the Seventh Day as HE did. As verse 5 states, "in this again (Seventh Day) if they shall enter in my Rest; (the Gospel).
So what are our instructions in regards to keeping theSabbath?
Because we have received theGospel; the new heart and mind through Christ Jesus; old things having passedaway, all things being new and of GOD. We Simply cease from our own works asGOD did from HIS. He simply rested from work; so we rest as HE did.
Since He through Christ hallowed us; what we finally have is a Holy hallowed people entering into the Day; the Seventh Day that God had blessed and hallowed (set apart) for us to rest physically without defiling it with our unsanctified presence.
No this is an earnest plea not fall back into stiff neck hard hearted unbelief described in chapter three. Judaism very well could be part of this but contextual speaking it is not.
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the Gospel (His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
As was stated earlier, the word therefore draws back to what was previously stated.
The word Unbelief is obstinate, rebellious disobedience. The version you use translates the Greek word to disobedience whereas the KJV translates it unbelief. I like yours better in this instance.
Anyway this unbelief is discussed earlier in chapter 3
Hebrews
3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day, [now] if ye will hear his voice,......
8 Harden not your hearts,......
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For they do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, (his indwelling Spirit) if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned,
So in summary to this what we have is; Through an Evil heart of unbelief, we depart from the living God, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. We will not know His ways.
So today if we hear HIS voice, harden not our hearts, as in the provocation when they did provoke. Them that sinned. The evil hearted unbelievers, hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. These are whom Which HE is grieved! Them that sinned and had not held their confidence steadfast unto the end. These are those who had not entered into His Rest; the Gospel Rest which is available in Christ. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest (His Rest, the Gospel), lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
Hebrews chapter 4
Although the Israelite's religiously observed the Sabbath, we read in Heb 4:6 “they to whom it was first preached entered not into God’s rest because of unbelief.” Hundreds of years later David in Psalm 95:8-11 pleads for the people not to do as the ancient Israelite's had done.
Harden not your heart (David wrote), as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest. (v8-11)
Observing the Sabbath day did them no good at all.
Physical rest is assured when we rest from our labours, but there is a spiritual counterpart which is spiritual rest when all our work is finally over as it was for God when he rested from the act of creation. The criteria is the same, which is that we need to come to the Lord, in faith, believing in the one who said in Joh 14:27 “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you.” All we need to do is to trust him and take him at his word. (v3). Salvation is His gift and not a reward for our own hard work (v10), as it says in v11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Although the Israelite's religiously observed the Sabbath, we read in Heb 4:6 “they to whom it was first preached entered not into God’s rest because of unbelief.” Hundreds of years later David in Psalm 95:8-11 pleads for the people not to do as the ancient Israelite's had done.
Harden not your heart (David wrote), as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest. (v8-11)
Observing the Sabbath day did them no good at all.
Physical rest is assured when we rest from our labours, but there is a spiritual counterpart which is spiritual rest when all our work is finally over as it was for God when he rested from the act of creation. The criteria is the same, which is that we need to come to the Lord, in faith, believing in the one who said in Joh 14:27 “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you.” All we need to do is to trust him and take him at his word. (v3). Salvation is His gift and not a reward for our own hard work (v10), as it says in v11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
I don't think the Jesus of the Bible intended for you to use this scriptures as support for your preaching that His Words spoken as the Word have been abolished.
13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
This same chapter exposes your preaching as false PS.
Luke 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This is what My Jesus, the Word which became Flesh, teaches us. And "ALL" Scriptures agree with it. And He repeats this over and over.
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Who is the Jesus?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
The Jesus of the Bible is the Word which "Made all things" including His Instructions, or Laws, or sayings, they are all the same. You are preaching a different Jesus, a "New" Jesus, with a "New" set of instructions you call the New Covenant.
But when the Word made His Promise of a New Covenant, He didn't say His instructions changed, He said the Priesthood changed. Laws made specifically for the Levites changed. it's in your Bible.
Jer. 31;33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I (The Word made Flesh) will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Absolutely no mention of a "NEW ORDER", no "NEW LAWS" as the Catholic church and her hundreds of daughters teach. He says HIS LAWS.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I (The Word made Flesh) will forgive their iniquity, and I (The Word made Flesh) will remember their sin no more.
No more Levite Priest's with their sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Jesus Himself will forgive my sins.
No mention of the definition of sins changing, no "NEW ORDER" as you preach.
And the New Testament confirms this.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
This isn't speaking to the 10 commandments or other Laws given to the people, it is speaking specifically to the laws given only to the Levites.
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Where is this "NEW ORDER" you preach? This is saying the same thing as Jeremiah. The Law changed, how does the Bible say it changed?
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus is our High Priest, but the Priesthood Law He gave Moses was only for the Levites and He was from the tribe of Judah, so for Him to become the High Priest there must be a change in the Law to allow other tribes into the Priesthood, in this case, Judah. The Word which became Flesh tells us this is coming.
Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
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There was no "New Testament" when Jesus made all His statements. "His Saying", His Commandments", His Word's, all referred to the Word which became Flesh, which created "ALL THINGS". This is My Jesus, this is my Shelter, my Hope, my Savior. Not the long haired men's hair shampoo model that is known in this world as the "Christian" god.
You preach that the Instructions of the Word which became Flesh are darkness. I don't see it that way.
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
There is a New Order, a New Jesus, a New set of instructions. Don't misunderstand me. I know these things are there. They just don't come from the Word which became Flesh.
13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
This same chapter exposes your preaching as false PS.
Luke 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This is what My Jesus, the Word which became Flesh, teaches us. And "ALL" Scriptures agree with it. And He repeats this over and over.
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Who is the Jesus?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
The Jesus of the Bible is the Word which "Made all things" including His Instructions, or Laws, or sayings, they are all the same. You are preaching a different Jesus, a "New" Jesus, with a "New" set of instructions you call the New Covenant.
But when the Word made His Promise of a New Covenant, He didn't say His instructions changed, He said the Priesthood changed. Laws made specifically for the Levites changed. it's in your Bible.
Jer. 31;33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I (The Word made Flesh) will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Absolutely no mention of a "NEW ORDER", no "NEW LAWS" as the Catholic church and her hundreds of daughters teach. He says HIS LAWS.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I (The Word made Flesh) will forgive their iniquity, and I (The Word made Flesh) will remember their sin no more.
No more Levite Priest's with their sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Jesus Himself will forgive my sins.
No mention of the definition of sins changing, no "NEW ORDER" as you preach.
And the New Testament confirms this.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
This isn't speaking to the 10 commandments or other Laws given to the people, it is speaking specifically to the laws given only to the Levites.
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Where is this "NEW ORDER" you preach? This is saying the same thing as Jeremiah. The Law changed, how does the Bible say it changed?
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus is our High Priest, but the Priesthood Law He gave Moses was only for the Levites and He was from the tribe of Judah, so for Him to become the High Priest there must be a change in the Law to allow other tribes into the Priesthood, in this case, Judah. The Word which became Flesh tells us this is coming.
Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
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There was no "New Testament" when Jesus made all His statements. "His Saying", His Commandments", His Word's, all referred to the Word which became Flesh, which created "ALL THINGS". This is My Jesus, this is my Shelter, my Hope, my Savior. Not the long haired men's hair shampoo model that is known in this world as the "Christian" god.
You preach that the Instructions of the Word which became Flesh are darkness. I don't see it that way.
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
There is a New Order, a New Jesus, a New set of instructions. Don't misunderstand me. I know these things are there. They just don't come from the Word which became Flesh.
I did. It comes across as an attack. Just tone it down a bit.
Colossians 2 NIV
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Freedom From Human Rules
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
Colossians 2 NIV
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Freedom From Human Rules
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
Re: Hebrews chapter 4
Come on PS. Where does the Bible say the Israelites "religiously observed God's Sabbath"? The Bible says the opposite.
Ez. 20:12 Moreover also I(the Word which became Flesh) gave them my sabbaths,(Created for man) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I (The Word which became Flesh) am the LORD that sanctify them.13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked notin my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.
This is my greatest problem with preachers and their religious traditions. They create their own false Biblical reality and build their religious traditions on it, then preach this false teaching to others.. In your case "the Israelites kept God's Sabbath and it didn't help them". This is not a true Biblical reality.
They didn't "fall" in the wilderness because they kept God's Sabbaths, they fell because they didn't respect or believe in God enough to honor His Sabbaths.
Why don't you show me one place where God rebuked or rejected even one person for obeying God's Instructions.
Just one example of how a man who honored the Sabbath, Created by the Word which became Flesh, was punished and not blessed for doing so. Just one PS.
Ex. 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
Ex. 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
So David is saying NOT to harden your hearts to God's Instructions as they did when the Word which became Flesh tested them in the wilderness.
You just got done saying:
Yet the Jesus of the Bible warns us not to fall after the examples of unbelief. Unbelief examples where? Is this not referring to the Old Testament that you preach "Christians" don't need anymore?
Hey, it's just a Book. Maybe the Pope is God, and maybe we can all created our own religion, our own Holy and unholy, clean and unclean. Maybe you are free to make your own salvation plan with your own High Days, and create images of God after the likeness of man or fish or whatever.
Maybe you can create your own religious "New Order" and build your own path to eternal life. There is no way for me to know for sure.
But I believe in the Word which became Flesh, and His Words, All of them, and His Salvation plan which begins with Passover, it doesn't end with Passover.
I'm sticking to the Word's of Him who purchased me, not one of the hundreds of religious traditions and doctrines that Jesus warned me about through out His Word. But who am I, right? A maggot turd, a vapor here today, gone tomorrow. Printed words of English on an internet forum. It's not about me, it's about Him.
Duet. 30: 19I (The Word which became Flesh) call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus, the Word which became Flesh) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
and again;
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Come on PS. Where does the Bible say the Israelites "religiously observed God's Sabbath"? The Bible says the opposite.
Ez. 20:12 Moreover also I(the Word which became Flesh) gave them my sabbaths,(Created for man) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I (The Word which became Flesh) am the LORD that sanctify them.13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked notin my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.
This is my greatest problem with preachers and their religious traditions. They create their own false Biblical reality and build their religious traditions on it, then preach this false teaching to others.. In your case "the Israelites kept God's Sabbath and it didn't help them". This is not a true Biblical reality.
They didn't "fall" in the wilderness because they kept God's Sabbaths, they fell because they didn't respect or believe in God enough to honor His Sabbaths.
Why don't you show me one place where God rebuked or rejected even one person for obeying God's Instructions.
Just one example of how a man who honored the Sabbath, Created by the Word which became Flesh, was punished and not blessed for doing so. Just one PS.
Ex. 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
Ex. 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
So David is saying NOT to harden your hearts to God's Instructions as they did when the Word which became Flesh tested them in the wilderness.
You just got done saying:
Yet the Jesus of the Bible warns us not to fall after the examples of unbelief. Unbelief examples where? Is this not referring to the Old Testament that you preach "Christians" don't need anymore?
Hey, it's just a Book. Maybe the Pope is God, and maybe we can all created our own religion, our own Holy and unholy, clean and unclean. Maybe you are free to make your own salvation plan with your own High Days, and create images of God after the likeness of man or fish or whatever.
Maybe you can create your own religious "New Order" and build your own path to eternal life. There is no way for me to know for sure.
But I believe in the Word which became Flesh, and His Words, All of them, and His Salvation plan which begins with Passover, it doesn't end with Passover.
I'm sticking to the Word's of Him who purchased me, not one of the hundreds of religious traditions and doctrines that Jesus warned me about through out His Word. But who am I, right? A maggot turd, a vapor here today, gone tomorrow. Printed words of English on an internet forum. It's not about me, it's about Him.
Duet. 30: 19I (The Word which became Flesh) call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus, the Word which became Flesh) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
and again;
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
The Messiah thinks people will be honoring the Sabbath in the end times... maybe those who disagree need to tell Him He is wrong? BTW, I beleive He is right.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20 “And pray that your flight does not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:21 “For then there shall be great distress, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:22 “And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved, but for the sake of the chosen ones those days shall be shortened. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:23 “If anyone then says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:24 “For false messiahs and false prophets shall arise, and they shall show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:25 “See, I have forewarned you. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:26 “So if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:27 “For as the lightning comes from the east and shines to the west, so also shall the coming of the Son of Aḏam be. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:28 “For wherever the dead body is, there the eagles shall be gathered together.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:29 “And immediately after the distress of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:30 “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:31 “And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20 “And pray that your flight does not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:21 “For then there shall be great distress, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:22 “And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved, but for the sake of the chosen ones those days shall be shortened. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:23 “If anyone then says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:24 “For false messiahs and false prophets shall arise, and they shall show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:25 “See, I have forewarned you. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:26 “So if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:27 “For as the lightning comes from the east and shines to the west, so also shall the coming of the Son of Aḏam be. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:28 “For wherever the dead body is, there the eagles shall be gathered together.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:29 “And immediately after the distress of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:30 “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:31 “And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. [/FONT]
Re: Hebrews chapter 4
=PS;3516758] You said " And again;
I replied to your post, I simply posted scriptures which expose this preaching as false.
My post wasn't addressing how they dishonored the Christ in regards to His Sabbath.. You preach the Israelites were obeying God's Sabbath and the Bible teaches they were not.
I was addressing this foundational doctrine you and "many" others preach. I find it to be untrue given the Word's of the Bible.
I asked for examples of people who were following God's Sabbath that fell in the wilderness. You can't find them because they don't exist. Your statement;
Isn't true PS. And any understanding which come as a result of this statement is untrue as well.
Now if you can show me in His Word that the Israelites were obeying God's Sabbaths and He killed them anyway, go for it.
I will stand corrected.
=PS;3516758] You said " And again;
I replied to your post, I simply posted scriptures which expose this preaching as false.
My post wasn't addressing how they dishonored the Christ in regards to His Sabbath.. You preach the Israelites were obeying God's Sabbath and the Bible teaches they were not.
I was addressing this foundational doctrine you and "many" others preach. I find it to be untrue given the Word's of the Bible.
I asked for examples of people who were following God's Sabbath that fell in the wilderness. You can't find them because they don't exist. Your statement;
Isn't true PS. And any understanding which come as a result of this statement is untrue as well.
Now if you can show me in His Word that the Israelites were obeying God's Sabbaths and He killed them anyway, go for it.
I will stand corrected.
Re: Hebrews chapter 4
What it boils down to is that the Israelite's did not enter into God's rest because they were a wicked and unbelieving nation. That is what I said, see below, it is correct, and you say it is not. All I can say to you, is to get yourself sorted out. Better still, seek God's spiritual rest in Jesus Christ.
What it boils down to is that the Israelite's did not enter into God's rest because they were a wicked and unbelieving nation. That is what I said, see below, it is correct, and you say it is not. All I can say to you, is to get yourself sorted out. Better still, seek God's spiritual rest in Jesus Christ.
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Revelation 14:12-13, "Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of YHWH and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”
rejecting what HE says is not seking His rest, yes we should seek Him every day, we should not ignore what He says and make our own way. This is false seeking, rejecting what He says while claiming one is seeking. I am not perfect and no one I ever met is, however we should seek to to His will.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’[/FONT][/FONT]
Re: Hebrews chapter 4
I posted what you said PS. I asked for you to give some scriptural support, which you did not do because you can not do.
Had the Israelites followed the instructions of the Word which became Flesh, they would not have fallen in the Wilderness. You can't make a case against this Biblical Truth because it is just that, "Biblical Truth".
The Word which became Flesh laid it out for them and for us should we be interested in His Salvation.
Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD (Word which became Flesh) hath spoken it.
I'm not perfect, and I haven't figured everything out. But I know one thing for absolutely sure.
The Israelites weren't destroyed in the Wilderness because they "Religiously observed the Sabbath".
I posted what you said PS. I asked for you to give some scriptural support, which you did not do because you can not do.
Had the Israelites followed the instructions of the Word which became Flesh, they would not have fallen in the Wilderness. You can't make a case against this Biblical Truth because it is just that, "Biblical Truth".
The Word which became Flesh laid it out for them and for us should we be interested in His Salvation.
Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD (Word which became Flesh) hath spoken it.
I'm not perfect, and I haven't figured everything out. But I know one thing for absolutely sure.
The Israelites weren't destroyed in the Wilderness because they "Religiously observed the Sabbath".
Hebrews 3:16-19, “For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.”
Hebrews 4:2, “For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed.”
Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest
#G2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin - from katapauó, Definition - rest
Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:
Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520)to the people of YHWH."
#G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences
“keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: akeeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
Yet many understand Hebrews 4 to be bearing witness against the Sabbath as being the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus. It is true that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus, however, none have yet entered this rest:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
“you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”
This is till future;
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”
2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”
Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."
For Messiah said:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.”
Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: *from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."
Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because *on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”
Psalms 37:3-7, “Trust in יהוה, and do good; Dwell in the earth, and feed on steadfastness. And delight yourself in יהוה, And let Him give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to יהוה, And trust in Him, and He does it. And He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light, And your right-ruling as midday. Rest in יהוה, and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way, Because of the man doing wicked devices.”
The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Sabbath aka Kingdom practice...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:7-19, “Therefore, as the Set-apart Spirit says, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tried Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways. As I swore in My wrath, ‘If they shall enter into My rest’?(Psa 95:7-11) Look out, brothers, lest there be in any of you a wicked heart of unbelief in falling away from the living Father, but encourage one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened by the deceivableness of sin. For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end, while it is said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” For who, having heard, rebelled? Was it not all who came out of Mitsrayim, led by Mosheh? And with whom was He grieved forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief.”[/FONT]
Hebrews 4:2, “For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed.”
Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest
#G2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin - from katapauó, Definition - rest
Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:
Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520)to the people of YHWH."
#G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences
“keeping of the Sabbath” is word #4520 - sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: akeeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
Yet many understand Hebrews 4 to be bearing witness against the Sabbath as being the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus. It is true that the true rest is in Yahshua/Jesus, however, none have yet entered this rest:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
“you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers”
This is till future;
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”
2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”
Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."
For Messiah said:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.”
Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: *from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."
Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because *on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”
Psalms 37:3-7, “Trust in יהוה, and do good; Dwell in the earth, and feed on steadfastness. And delight yourself in יהוה, And let Him give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to יהוה, And trust in Him, and He does it. And He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light, And your right-ruling as midday. Rest in יהוה, and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way, Because of the man doing wicked devices.”
The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Sabbath aka Kingdom practice...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 3:7-19, “Therefore, as the Set-apart Spirit says, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tried Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways. As I swore in My wrath, ‘If they shall enter into My rest’?(Psa 95:7-11) Look out, brothers, lest there be in any of you a wicked heart of unbelief in falling away from the living Father, but encourage one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened by the deceivableness of sin. For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end, while it is said, “Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.” For who, having heard, rebelled? Was it not all who came out of Mitsrayim, led by Mosheh? And with whom was He grieved forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they were unable to enter in because of unbelief.”[/FONT]
Re: Hebrews chapter 4
Green. That is precisely the point. They did not follow God's instructions.
By the way don't trip over the word 'religiously' I meant it in the sense 'without fail.' They did nothing that would conform to true religion, just the opposite, which is what scripture and myself, were saying.
Green. That is precisely the point. They did not follow God's instructions.
By the way don't trip over the word 'religiously' I meant it in the sense 'without fail.' They did nothing that would conform to true religion, just the opposite, which is what scripture and myself, were saying.
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Re: Hebrews chapter 4
And again;
Now you say:
Some Israelites did follow God's Instructions. But those who did not, fell. That is the lesson.
1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Num. 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
This is the theme through out the Bible as the Word which became Flesh confirms.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Rom. 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
And again;
Now you say:
Some Israelites did follow God's Instructions. But those who did not, fell. That is the lesson.
1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Num. 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
This is the theme through out the Bible as the Word which became Flesh confirms.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Rom. 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Re: Hebrews chapter 4
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. The law is in force until the heaven and earth disappear. Therefore the 613 rules of the law in the Torah are in place and transgression them is sin. Here is the list of the 613 rules of the law.
List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses
Try keeping them. Scripture is provided for each one.
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. The law is in force until the heaven and earth disappear. Therefore the 613 rules of the law in the Torah are in place and transgression them is sin. Here is the list of the 613 rules of the law.
List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses
Try keeping them. Scripture is provided for each one.
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