GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Jackson123

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[/FONT] This type of work (toil) is permitted. It is not our work (toil) when we do for others when there is need.

Exod 20:9 says, Six days you shall work, and shall do all your works;


In the LXX which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures there are two different Greek words used in Exodus 20:9.

The one used in the the clause, "Six days you shall work" is the same word used in John 5:17, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. It is ergazomai and it means to engage in activity that involves effort according to the BDAG lexicon.

Anything we do Spirituality or physically falls within this definition. Helping someone is a Spiritual activity. We are only commandment to abstain from our toil on the Sabbath. That which one does as regular activity, work, occupation, task to survive. This is how the second Greek word translated works in Exodus 20:9 is defined. Either could be used in reference to Spiritual work or physical work. However the commandment is rather specific. It is our work we are to abstain from. Our regular activity, work, occupation, task to survive.

Hebrews 4:10 reiterates this.
10) For he that is entered into his Rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

"As" is direct Comparison. There is no way around that. So it is A Ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. It is the calling to those who entered in their rest (the Gospel rest in Jesus in GOD) to cease from their work AS GOD did. GOD ceased from HIS PHYSICAL work on the Seventh Day. GOD is already and forever Spirit. So HE did not enter enter into any Spiritual rest we do. He is our Spiritual rest. So we in harmony with Christ and the FATHER cease from our work on the Seventh Day as HE did. The Day HE hallowed (set apart) and blessed.

So what are our instructions in regards to keeping the Sabbath?

Because we have received the Gospel; the new heart and mind through Christ Jesus; old things having passed away, all things being new and of GOD. We Simply cease from our own works as GOD did from HIS. He simply rested from work; so we rest as HE did.
We also know we are to abstain from our own pleasure and call the Sabbath a delight; keep it Holy unto the LORD.

What better way is there to keep it Holy then to help our brothers and sisters who are in need while at the same time furthering the Gospel message.

Which is exactly what Jesus did. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. He; Who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.(Joh 5:14; 1Pe 2:24)
dear,

Is Jesus work (toil) every day?

you say, God ceased from His physical work on Saturday, and you said God is Spirit, He not enter to spiritual rest

so God spirit always rest, but physical rest once a week?

God is Spirit but he physically rest once a week. Confusing dear.


what do you mean by this statement:

"He(God) not enter into spiritual rest."


God spirit never rest? Or always rest.
 

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You have ABSOLUTELY zero proof that the terms "my commandments" or "his commandments" in any way include the Sabbath!

Furthermore, if Sabbath observance really had the prominence that the SDA's and others insist that it does then one would certainly think that the NT would be absolutely replete with MULTIPLE EXPLICIT references to this fact........

Yet, the silence is absolutely deafening!!!!!!!
I really can't see how you can make this declaration given the actual Word's of the Bible.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (Notice it says the "Life" of Christ, not the death of Christ.)

Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

This means it was the Christ who told Cain to rule over the sin that is in him.

Gen. 1:6 And the LORD (Jesus) said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

It was Jesus, as the Word which said;

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt,(Sin) out of the house of bondage.(Death and deception)
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

It was Jesus who did the following;

Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God (word which became Flesh) ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God (Word which became Flesh) blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

And again, it was the Word which became Flesh that said:

Ex. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD (Jesus) thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD (Jesus) made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD (Jesus) blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

When the Word which became Flesh came to us in the person of Jesus there was no other "Word", no other scriptures, no letters from Paul to "wrest" as the scriptures say men do. There was only the inspired Word of the Spirit of Christ that was in the Prophets and authors.

So when Jesus made the following declarations, He was speaking to His Word as the "Word which became Flesh".

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

And again.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

It is man's religious tradition that corrupts, and slices and dices The Word's of Christ to fit the religion they cherish. Jesus never did.

The inspired Word of the Christ mentions the Sabbath that Jesus created for man 147 times in the Bible, 92 in the OT and 55 in the NT. (KJV)

Contrast that to the religious tradition of replacing the Sabbath Jesus created with Sunday. There is not one mention of changing this Commandment of the Christ in the entire Bible. Yes, it is true that the apostles ate together on Sunday, but no mention of it becoming His Sabbath. Yet this world has Sunday Laws, and it is known world wide as the "Christian Sabbath".

I find your justification for the elimination of His Sabbath kind of hypocritical. You suggest that these letters from Paul which were added to the Bible by the Catholic church years after Jesus died somehow make void all the Word's of the Christ before His ministry. Jesus never taught that at all. He taught just the opposite.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Paul never taught it either.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


I might ask; "How many times must the Word which became Flesh give you a commandment before you believe in Him?"


Secondly, Man created the largest religious "High Day" ever observed in human history. The World's economy is so tied to this religious tradition that the financial world would come crumbling down if it ever stopped. Yet there is not one Word in the entire Bible, OT or NT that makes mention of it, except Jer. 10 which speaks to something similar. "The silence is deafening" yet it is considered by this world as the premier "Christian" "High Day".

Personally I don't agree with much of the SDA teaching. I think it is a mistake to trust any religious franchise for instruction in righteousness give all the warnings of religious men deceiving folks.

I think Jesus was quite clear. He taught that we are to keep His Commandments, including the Sabbath that He created for man.

The question is who do we believe?
 
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Ralph is hiding something (either from himself or us) by refusing to address directly the fact that he is framing the argument with the false characterization that non-sabbatarians are trying to convince sabbatarians to go against their conscience by proclaiming the gospel. It's almost getting into identity politics where it is considered an aggression to express a viewpoint that contradicts the viewpoint of one who embraces a victim identity.
 

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If Adventists in particular do not believe in justification by faith apart from works then they are not fellow believers. But for you to lump all Sabbath keepers into one indistinguishable group who don't believe in grace apart from works is dead wrong to do.

NOBODY HERE IS DOING THAT.

I am openly a Sabbath Keeper and I am not criticized for it at all!
 

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Politely share your reasons why you disagree and move on. Don't argue with him. You can potentially destroy the work of Christ if you do that.
I agree. We need to keep in mind the Apostles Creed that was created to define who is and isn't a Christian. It was created in order to seperate Christians from those saying heretical issues. There was a lot of diverse opinions in the early church. The elders first created the Roman Creed and updated it to the Apostles Creed. The concept is every issue outside of the creed is open for divergent points of view and we just agree to disagree keeping in mind we are all Christians. All of the different Christian denominations are an example of this. However the 7 sisters have been taken over by secular ministers. In those denominations almost all churches never preach the gospel

THE APOSTLES CREED
() Not included in earliest manuscripts. This is an upgrade of the Roman Creed created in the 200s. This Creed is dated to 312.

I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth; And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried. (He descended into Hell.) The third day he rose again from the dead. He ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy universal church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.

Amen.


Probable wording of the Roman Creed.

Roman Creed

I believe in God the Father almighty, and in Christ Jesus, his only Son, our Lord, and in the Holy Spirit, the holy Church, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the flesh.
 
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Ralph is hiding something (either from himself or us) by refusing to address directly the fact that he is framing the argument with the false characterization that non-sabbatarians are trying to convince sabbatarians to go against their conscience by proclaiming the gospel. It's almost getting into identity politics where it is considered an aggression to express a viewpoint that contradicts the viewpoint of one who embraces a victim identity.
continuing...

And the ones who embrace a victim identity (the weaker believer in Ralph's dialectic) are free to say whatever they want, no matter how much it offends or hurts the who is identified as the oppressor (the stronger believer in Ralph's dialectic). We see this worldview expressed every day in politics.
 

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I really can't see how you can make this declaration given the actual Word's of the Bible.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (Notice it says the "Life" of Christ, not the death of Christ.)

Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

This means it was the Christ who told Cain to rule over the sin that is in him.

Gen. 1:6 And the LORD (Jesus) said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

It was Jesus, as the Word which said;

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt,(Sin) out of the house of bondage.(Death and deception)
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

It was Jesus who did the following;

Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God (word which became Flesh) ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God (Word which became Flesh) blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

And again, it was the Word which became Flesh that said:

Ex. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD (Jesus) thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD (Jesus) made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD (Jesus) blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

When the Word which became Flesh came to us in the person of Jesus there was no other "Word", no other scriptures, no letters from Paul to "wrest" as the scriptures say men do. There was only the inspired Word of the Spirit of Christ that was in the Prophets and authors.

So when Jesus made the following declarations, He was speaking to His Word as the "Word which became Flesh".

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

And again.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

It is man's religious tradition that corrupts, and slices and dices The Word's of Christ to fit the religion they cherish. Jesus never did.

The inspired Word of the Christ mentions the Sabbath that Jesus created for man 147 times in the Bible, 92 in the OT and 55 in the NT. (KJV)

Contrast that to the religious tradition of replacing the Sabbath Jesus created with Sunday. There is not one mention of changing this Commandment of the Christ in the entire Bible. Yes, it is true that the apostles ate together on Sunday, but no mention of it becoming His Sabbath. Yet this world has Sunday Laws, and it is known world wide as the "Christian Sabbath".

I find your justification for the elimination of His Sabbath kind of hypocritical. You suggest that these letters from Paul which were added to the Bible by the Catholic church years after Jesus died somehow make void all the Word's of the Christ before His ministry. Jesus never taught that at all. He taught just the opposite.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Paul never taught it either.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


I might ask; "How many times must the Word which became Flesh give you a commandment before you believe in Him?"


Secondly, Man created the largest religious "High Day" ever observed in human history. The World's economy is so tied to this religious tradition that the financial world would come crumbling down if it ever stopped. Yet there is not one Word in the entire Bible, OT or NT that makes mention of it, except Jer. 10 which speaks to something similar. "The silence is deafening" yet it is considered by this world as the premier "Christian" "High Day".

Personally I don't agree with much of the SDA teaching. I think it is a mistake to trust any religious franchise for instruction in righteousness give all the warnings of religious men deceiving folks.

I think Jesus was quite clear. He taught that we are to keep His Commandments, including the Sabbath that He created for man.

The question is who do we believe?
Then.......after all that, when Jesus saw how wicked the people were, He gave them a New Covenant and took their sins upon himself.

And after all that, people still grumble and go their own way, as far from God's will, as they ever were in olden times.
 

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dear,

Is Jesus work (toil) every day?

you say, God ceased from His physical work on Saturday, and you said God is Spirit, He not enter to spiritual rest

so God spirit always rest, but physical rest once a week?

God is Spirit but he physically rest once a week. Confusing dear.


what do you mean by this statement:

"He(God) not enter into spiritual rest."


God spirit never rest? Or always rest.
Complete understanding of God is impossible. He is so far above us with His different attributes. He created the universe. In Genesis chapters 1 and 2 the work God did in creating the universe is detailed. Go read that. That is all the explanation about the issue in the Bible you are asking about. How can we really comprehend a being that is able to do that.
 

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Then.......after all that, when Jesus saw how wicked the people were, He gave them a New Covenant and took their sins upon himself.

And after all that, people still grumble and go their own way, as far from God's will, as they ever were in olden times.
What keeps on astounding me is one of the attributes of God is he knew the end from the begining. Knowing this He still created the universe and did all of the following creations that resulted in earth and man. Knowing that as Jesus he would allow Himself to be crucified for our sins.
 

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What keeps on astounding me is one of the attributes of God is he knew the end from the begining. Knowing this He still created the universe and did all of the following creations that resulted in earth and man. Knowing that as Jesus he would allow Himself to be crucified for our sins.
He loves us like we were his own, which we are, praise God.
 
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I am openly a Sabbath Keeper...
Why?
To earn your salvation?



...and I am not criticized for it at all!
I guess it's only those who say you must keep Sabbath as the expected action of saving faith that are attacked as trying to be justified by works of the law. It seems as long as you don't say it's one of the required obediences that accompanies saving faith, or else you don't really have saving faith, you won't get beat up for being observant.

For some reason the church can only understand law keeping by believers as you trying to earn your salvation. It's like they are utterly incapable of comprehending keeping the law for a reason besides that of a person trying to be justified by works of the law. Yet at the same time they say Christians keep the command in the law to not murder or else they do not have eternal life in them (1 John 3:15). (I mean if you're not hyper-grace). That's teaching obedience to the law without it meaning you must obey the law to be justified. But they can't seem to see that.
 
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Which is more important? Following the holy spirit or following doctrine?

The mystic embraces spiritual experience and despises doctrine, and the legalist loves doctrine and hates walking by the spirit. Both are in error.

Sometimes we must simply let go and follow what the spirit is telling our heart, and sometimes we must constrain ourselves with doctrine that is stored in our minds. The two are not mutually exclusive, and I don't think that one can be exalted above the other as a rule. It depends on the moment. What is the witness between the two that will guide our behavior at a particular moment in time?

Doctrine and the holy spirit walk hand-in-hand. They really can't be separated because the words of GOD (doctrine) are spirit.

The Spirit is the one who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. John 6:63

Mercy and truth are met together: righteousness and peace have kissed [each other]. Psalms 85:10

For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came about through Jesus Christ. John 1:17
 
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I guess it's only those who say you must keep Sabbath as the expected action of saving faith that are attacked as trying to be justified by works of the law. It seems as long as you don't say it's one of the required obediences that accompanies saving faith, or else you don't really have saving faith, you won't get beat up for being observant.
That is correct. Doing the righteousness demanded by the 4th commandment is what's required, not doing the letter.
 
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For some reason the church can only understand law keeping by believers as you trying to earn your salvation. It's like they are utterly incapable of comprehending keeping the law for a reason besides that of a person trying to be justified by works of the law. Yet at the same time they say Christians keep the command in the law to not murder or else they do not have eternal life in them (1 John 3:15). (I mean if you're not hyper-grace). That's teaching obedience to the law without it meaning you must obey the law to be justified. But they can't seem to see that.
Moses taught to not murder, Jesus teaches to not hate. One can obey Jesus and ignore Moses because hate is the root of murder. If one does not hate, he will not murder thus fulfilling the demand of the 6th commandment. Understand that and you understand how the gospel works.
 

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Why?
To earn your salvation?




I guess it's only those who say you must keep Sabbath as the expected action of saving faith that are attacked as trying to be justified by works of the law. It seems as long as you don't say it's one of the required obediences that accompanies saving faith, or else you don't really have saving faith, you won't get beat up for being observant.

For some reason the church can only understand law keeping by believers as you trying to earn your salvation. It's like they are utterly incapable of comprehending keeping the law for a reason besides that of a person trying to be justified by works of the law. Yet at the same time they say Christians keep the command in the law to not murder or else they do not have eternal life in them (1 John 3:15). (I mean if you're not hyper-grace). That's teaching obedience to the law without it meaning you must obey the law to be justified. But they can't seem to see that.
Why do you attack this person for his beliefs. That is not very Christian. Outside of the Apostles Creed differences of opinion on other issues is allowed.

Colossians 2 NIV

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Freedom From Human Rules
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
 
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Why do you attack this person for his beliefs. That is not very Christian. Outside of the Apostles Creed differences of opinion on other issues is allowed.

Colossians 2 NIV

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Freedom From Human Rules
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
I did not attack him. Reread my post carefully.

I WANT him to continue to observe the Sabbath.
 

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I did not attack him. Reread my post carefully.

I WANT him to continue to observe the Sabbath.
Who are you to tell people what to do, and what not to do?
 

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Complete understanding of God is impossible. He is so far above us with His different attributes. He created the universe. In Genesis chapters 1 and 2 the work God did in creating the universe is detailed. Go read that. That is all the explanation about the issue in the Bible you are asking about. How can we really comprehend a being that is able to do that.
thanks dear,

i try to understand what brother lightbearer statements.
 

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Then.......after all that, when Jesus saw how wicked the people were, He gave them a New Covenant and took their sins upon himself.

And after all that, people still grumble and go their own way, as far from God's will, as they ever were in olden times.
Yes, He took away their past transgressions so as to create a "new man" created after His Image in righteousness and True Holiness, who knew no sin, neither were lies or distortions found in His mouth.

But He didn't take away His Instructions for them. At least not according to the bible.
 

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Yes, He took away their past transgressions so as to create a "new man" created after His Image in righteousness and True Holiness, who knew no sin, neither were lies or distortions found in His mouth.

But He didn't take away His Instructions for them. At least not according to the bible.
You have seen the commandments of Jesus have you?