GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Dan_473]

Of course we are to have fellowship with ''like-minded''....but not with UNconverted which you seem to espouse.
Certainly Jesus and the Disciples met with these people TO TEACH THEM...not play happy families with them while they were in error !

"Of course we are to have fellowship with ''like-minded''"

yes, and that's just what I'm saying

in some previous posts, some folks seemed to be saying that it was good to be a kind of Lone Wolf Christian

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus submitted to authority while He was growing up and was subject to His Parents and Levitical Priests.....but that CHANGED when He BEGAN His Own Ministry !!!

we can see, too, that Jesus didn't practice his spirituality totally in s vacuum

Luke 2: 46. And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them,
and asking them questions.

 

[PS]

"Of course we are to have fellowship with ''like-minded''"

yes, and that's just what I'm saying

in some previous posts, some folks seemed to be saying that it was good to be a kind of Lone Wolf Christian

We need to encourage each other in the faith and build one-another up, otherwise we can become disheartened and loose our enthusiasm for the Lord, as someone once said, the fire can go out.

 

[Studyman]

I gave an example with Scripture about the Sabbath , right out of Matthew. I gave you Scripture straight out of John about the Pharisees searching Scripture for eternal life.

see, all this stuff you do is argument tactics.

instead of addressing what was said, you attack and belittle who said it.

you accuse us of doing what you are actually doing, changing the meaning of Scripture.

have a catch all " you have been corrupted by catholic traditions " so, that you can throw that out, and never get proved wrong. ( in your mind, not in reality ).

always stay in your safe space, where you are controlling conversation instead of having actual debate.

I could go on, but, these are all straight out of rules for radicals and the naked communist.

you are not the smartest person in this room, maybe one day you will accept that.

oh, I am not saying I am, I just I know exactly what you are trying to do.

Wow, I'm now a Commie because I believe in the Word's of Christ over your religious advisers. You can't defend you religious traditions with the Bible so that makes me a left wing radicle.

I posted the scriptures you mentioned and gave my understanding of them. You didn't argue my understanding, you didn't offer a scriptural rebuttal, you simply posted that your scholars proved Christ's Words false and yours right.

How does the Pharisees searching the Bible and ignoring what it says wipe out what Christ said about them in John 8 and Matt. 23?

 

[Dan_473]

what is it with this 'in person thing ? it was fine 2000 years ago but Joh 4v21-24 shows us a 'better way GOD was predicting. You don't see God or Jesus in person so does your fellowship with them not count ? move on Dan...we are now in the Spirit-age.

i think it's good to meet together in person

otherwise we miss out on this action of the spirit

Be on guard for yourselves and for all*the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you*[q]overseers, to shepherd*the church of God which*He*[r]purchased*with His own blood.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+20&version=NASB

 

[Dan_473]

Now wait a minute here. The Corinthians and the Pharisees claimed belief in the same God of Abraham. In your religion, how is that not the Body of believers?

the church is composed of those who have Jesus as their Lord

1 Corinthians 1: 2. Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of

Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours

 

[Dan_473]

1 Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godlinessBig churches?) from such withdraw thyself.

Just because I believe in all the Word's of the Christ doesn't make me a "Loner" Christian. Your unbelief or any ones unbelief doesn't make the Faith of God void.

4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

"Just because I believe in all the Word's of the Christ doesn't make me a "Loner" Christian.*"

that's right!

not meeting with other believers, though, that would make one a Loner Christian, imo

 

[Dan_473]

I am following the instructions of my Lord and Savior Jesus, the Christ.

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Believe it or not there is only one group of people on the planet who "Comes in Christ's name, who preach that Jesus is truly to Messiah. It's not Islam, or Atheists Dan, it's Christianity.


A hard pill for "many" to swallow, as it was for me 25 years ago, and for everyone who "Picks up their cross and follows Him".

right
and I'm interested in hearing about the local group you have Passover with and meet with

 

[Dan_473]

We need to encourage each other in the faith and build one-another up, otherwise we can become disheartened and loose our enthusiasm for the Lord, as someone once said, the fire can go out.

so true !

and the general truth

And if*one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three*strands*is not quickly torn apart.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+4&version=NASB

 

[Studyman]

the church is composed of those who have Jesus as their Lord

1 Corinthians 1: 2. Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of

Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours

My Lord is the Word which became Flesh same as Paul's. Jesus said:

46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD,(My Savior, the Word which became Flesh) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

And again;

Matt. 11:28 Come unto me,(Word which became Flesh) all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me (Word which became Flesh); for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I have found this rest, how shall I turn back now.

 

[Studyman]

"Just because I believe in all the Word's of the Christ doesn't make me a "Loner" Christian.*"

that's right!

Not meeting with other believers, though, that would make one a Loner Christian, imo

I guess it depends on your definition of "believer". If you believe in a religion that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions" didn't Jesus condemn that religions of His Time that did that?

 

[Studyman]

right
and I'm interested in hearing about the local group you have Passover with and meet with

No you're not.

 

[Shamah]

Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”


There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

This is the works of the Messiah, the Gospel of the Kingdom told and outlined by YHWH and fulfilled and to be fulfilled by Yahshua.

praiseYah!

 

[Dan_473]

My Lord is the Word which became Flesh same as Paul's. Jesus said:

46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?47
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD,(My Savior, the Word which became Flesh) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

And again;

Matt. 11:28 Come unto me,(Word which became Flesh) all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me (Word which became Flesh); for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I have found this rest, how shall I turn back now.

don't turn back from that rest

now, since you are part of the church, the body, i think it's a good idea to meet with other believers

otherwise, how can we share our gifts?


1 Corinthians 12: 21. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

 

[Dan_473]

I guess it depends on your definition of "believer". If you believe in a religion that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions" didn't Jesus condemn that religions of His Time that did that?

believers like this

Acts 5: 14. And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

 

[Dan_473]

No you're not.

i am very interested

i become even more interested when you are evasive about it

what are you hiding?

 

[Dan_473]

don't turn back from that rest

now, since you are part of the church, the body, i think it's a good idea to meet with other believers

otherwise, how can we share our gifts?


1 Corinthians 12: 21. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

"otherwise, how can we share our gifts?"

should be "your gifts"

 

[Dan_473]

Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”


There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

This is the works of the Messiah, the Gospel of the Kingdom told and outlined by YHWH and fulfilled and to be fulfilled by Yahshua.

praiseYah!

Shamah,
i love the next part!

I am calling a man from the east to carry out my plan;
****he will come like a hawk from a country far away.
I will make what I have said come true;
****I will do what I have planned.
12*Listen to me, you stubborn people,
****who are far from what is right.
13*I will soon do the things that are right.
****I will bring salvation soon.
I will save Jerusalem
****and bring glory to Israel.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah46&version=NCV

 

[Studyman]

don't turn back from that rest

now, since you are part of the church, the body, i think it's a good idea to meet with other believers

otherwise, how can we share our gifts?


1 Corinthians 12: 21. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

I am sharing my gifts with you Dan.

 

[Studyman]

i am very interested

i become even more interested when you are evasive about it

what are you hiding?

I belong to the same church as Abel, Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Moses, Zechariahs, Ezekiel, James, Paul, Stephen, and many others. The Head of this Church is the Word which became Flesh who gave you and I the following instructions


You should be more interested in the Word's of the Great God of Abraham, the Word which became Flesh, than you are the size of the church I belong to or a way for you to label it as "many" on this forum do.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD (Word which became Flesh), Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.


18 Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them. (Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord)

19 Hear, O earthEverybody) behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Anytime you want to have an intellectually honest conversation about these Word's of the Christ, I am glad to be of service brother.