GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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joefizz

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Well said !!! and this is when His mercy and forgiveness come in to help us in our failures and weaknessess ! I think we are learning and that is a good thing !
I would hope so otherwise we are just "talking to eachother",anyone can do that.
 
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I am hoping it would be all 10 and a few of Moses that are for our moral good.
Yeah though I suppose Jesus determines which ones are best to think on day to day,because since each day is different I would figure that each day of serving would require "different" commandments" or "statutes" being brought to mind.
 
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God bless you ! it's good to agree !
Also good to be "correct" according to scripture instead of just agreeing just because something "sounds correct" or is "what we like to hear".
 

gb9

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Well said !!! and this is when His mercy and forgiveness come in to help us in our failures and weaknessess ! I think we are learning and that is a good thing !
so you like learning? we will see.

In Romans 2, Paul clearly states that gentiles do not have the Law. ( v.14). then, he goes on to say that circumcised jews who have the law but break it are no better than the uncircumcised.

so, please stop saying that gentiles have the law, when Paul directly stated they did not. if you can learn.
 

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let me repeat what you say:

not every law God give is forever. Agree.

seem to me weekly sabbath is fulfilled. Do not practice anymore. Brother shammah keep saying before heaven and earth pass away the every Word never pass. But he AS congregation not kill sabbath violator.

if not pass mean must be practiced than he must practice killing adulterer.
I totally agree. Here is the list of the 613 laws. They are divided first into the do's and don'ts. Then subdivided into categories of who and where the laws affect. Read the list and learn the law. It is scattered through the Torah.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
 

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For all we know, this could be a spiritual death. Notice it said shall be put to death, might mean he will put them to death at some time, not another person. Are we ignorant to the sabbath day, and what it really mean ,or have God overlooked our transgression against this holy day.
If you are willing to argue that death penalty should be observed spiritually instead of physically would you turn around and condemn brothers and sisters for remembering the sabbath spiritually instead of physically?
 
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If you are willing to argue that death penalty should be observed spiritually instead of physically would you turn around and condemn brothers and sisters for remembering the sabbath spiritually instead of physically?
Studydude does just this.

He says the woman caught in adultery doesn't need to be stoned to death because she's already spiritually dead. He says law is satisfied - and this before the cross, with no evidence the woman is a believer.

After the cross, for people definitely believers, however he says they must physically observe sabbath or else.

Hypocritical?
 

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Studydude does just this.

He says the woman caught in adultery doesn't need to be stoned to death because she's already spiritually dead. He says law is satisfied - and this before the cross, with no evidence the woman is a believer.

After the cross, for people definitely believers, however he says they must physically observe sabbath or else.

Hypocritical?
You perverted the story with the reason for sparing the woman. He never states why. Here is the complete story.

John 8 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 Early in the morning (at dawn), He came back into the temple [court], and the people came to Him in crowds. He sat down and was teaching them,
3 When the scribes and Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery. They made her stand in the middle of the court and put the case before Him.
4 Teacher, they said, This woman has been caught in the very act of adultery.
5 Now Moses in the Law commanded us that such [women—offenders] shall be stoned to death. But what do You say [to do with her—what is Your sentence]?
6 This they said to try (test) Him, hoping they might find a charge on which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger.
7 However, when they persisted with their question, He raised Himself up and said, Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.
8 Then He bent down and went on writing on the ground with His finger.
9 They listened to Him, and then they began going out, conscience-stricken, one by one, from the oldest down to the last one of them, till Jesus was left alone, with the woman standing there before Him in the center of the court.
10 When Jesus raised Himself up, He said to her, Woman, where are your accusers? Has no man condemned you?
11 She answered, No one, Lord! And Jesus said, I do not condemn you either. Go on your way and from now on sin no more.
 

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so you like learning? we will see.

In Romans 2, Paul clearly states that gentiles do not have the Law. ( v.14). then, he goes on to say that circumcised jews who have the law but break it are no better than the uncircumcised.

so, please stop saying that gentiles have the law, when Paul directly stated they did not. if you can learn.
Now that is strange...how are you going to know what is right or wrong in GOD's eyes if you reject HIS Word/law/commandments ???
 

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so you like learning? we will see.

In Romans 2, Paul clearly states that gentiles do not have the Law. ( v.14). then, he goes on to say that circumcised jews who have the law but break it are no better than the uncircumcised.

so, please stop saying that gentiles have the law, when Paul directly stated they did not. if you can learn.
I go with what Jesus said about the law!! Keep in mind that sin is transgression of the law. We in accepting Jesus as savior by grace through faithnhave the penalty removed from us. Those rejecting Jesus will be judged according to the law.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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If you are willing to argue that death penalty should be observed spiritually instead of physically would you turn around and condemn brothers and sisters for remembering the sabbath spiritually instead of physically?
You don’t actually think that’s a good argument do you?
 

gb9

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Now that is strange...how are you going to know what is right or wrong in GOD's eyes if you reject HIS Word/law/commandments ???
that is not the point. in post #9394, you stated there is " one law for all ".

Paul said in Romans 2 v.14- gentiles do not have the Law.

do you agree or disagree with Paul's statement?
 

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that is not the point. in post #9394, you stated there is " one law for all ".

Paul said in Romans 2 v.14- gentiles do not have the Law.

do you agree or disagree with Paul's statement?
Read my post 9412 just above. I agree with what Jesus said. The law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. That law is for everybody. When we break it we sin. Thus admitting the law is in place. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus thus removing the penalty of sin from us. Those who reject Jesus will be judged according to the law!! Woe to them!!
 

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Funny that a man who thinks his Bible is mostly lies would say that to me.. :p

He made the sea of reeds collapse and kill all the Egyptian army who were trying to murder His people. Was that good of Him or evil?

What if He did these things to protect us?
The Almighty can. We need to trust in God and HIS power and not in ourselves.

Basically it is a case of "Not my will, but THY will be done."

The Bible is a true and accurate account, the lies are in the thoughts and minds of those who read it through rose tinted spectacles.
 

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Fix the site for those who like me use an android tablet with Chrome browser and SwiftKey keyboard. I only have problems on this site. Fix it quickly or extend time consistent with other forums of 15 minutes. Why do you want to punish those of us who have to consistently fix posts of errors created by the site reaction to Android running Chrome browser and SwiftKey keyboard?
 

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very funny,if you actually "read the bible" you would notice many outstanding "simalarities" in symbolism regarding Jesus and satan,like the symbol of lion is used for both yet the lamb is only used regarding Jesus.
They both are known symbolically as "princes" and "rulers" yet satan is known eventually as prince of darkness while Jesus is later known as "King of Kings" instead of the "prince of light",you might wanna consider "doing your homework" instead of "presuming" or "provoking" with questions.
The Lion of Judah is the symbol of the Hebrew tribe of Judah. According to the Torah, the tribe consists of the descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob. (Wikipedia)

The poster described Satan as a lion. It makes one wonder who the God of the Jews really is.

Jesus told us in John 8:44.

The truth hurts.
 

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You perverted the story with the reason for sparing the woman. He never states why. Here is the complete story.

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What did I pervert?

I wrote what studydude has been saying about John 8, and AFAIK I faithfully represented his self-contradictory view. If you don't agree with the whole spiritually dead thing, it's his opinion and perversion, not mine.

I believe he's quite wrong.
 

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What did I pervert?

I wrote what studydude has been saying about John 8, and AFAIK I faithfully represented his self-contradictory view. If you don't agree with the whole spiritually dead thing, it's his opinion and perversion, not mine.

I believe he's quite wrong.
I apologize. I misread your statement. I agree with you!