GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[mailmandan]

We are freed from the condemnation of the law by abiding in Christ. By Faith in Christ.

If we decide to continue to work at the law, again, instead of being dead to it and crucified with Christ, then we make ourselves transgressors. We willingly place the curse back on ourselves.

Galatians 2:16-21
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

So, your work at the law doesn't make you righteous. Your work at the law does not justify you before God.

Galatians 3:19-22

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Amen! None of us have perfectly obeyed the 10 commandments (Romans 3:23). That gate is so narrow that only the Lord Jesus Christ can get through it, yet there is hope THROUGH JESUS CHRIST and not through the 10 commandments (Romans 6:23).

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

John 10:9 - Jesus said, "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[mailmandan]

happy sunday its church day or as the adventists call it mark of the beast day.

It's hard to believe that SDA's could actually believe such ludicrous nonsense, yet...

"One class will advocate a gospel of human devisings and will worship the beast and his image... The other class, in marked contrast, will live by the true gospel and 'keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus' (Rev. 14:9,12)... those who reject God's memorial of creatorship--the Bible Sabbath--choosing to worship and honor Sunday...will receive the mark of the beast."

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

 

[LoveGodForever]

We are freed from the condemnation of the law by abiding in Christ. By Faith in Christ.

If we decide to continue to work at the law, again, instead of being dead to it and crucified with Christ, then we make ourselves transgressors. We willingly place the curse back on ourselves.

Galatians 2:16-21
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

So, your work at the law doesn't make you righteous. Your work at the law does not justify you before God.

Galatians 3:19-22

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Amazing. Grandpa I think you are stuck in a loop.

It does not seem to matter how many times one explains to you or your friends that we BELIEVE we are NOT SAVED by the WORKS of the LAW or anything that WE HAVE DONE and that OUR SALVATION is a ONLY A GIFT of GOD by GRACE through FAITH ALONE, you continue to continue to say the same things that no one is saying. Now if everyone is in agreement then you have no argument. If you have no argument you have nothing to argue about because everyone is in agreement.

Now that brings us back to what we are really discussing and that is practicing KNOWN SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Those who DO NOT BELIEVE the Word of God will make up things because they cannot fight against the Word of God when it is SHOWING them their SINS. Men love darkness rather then LIGHT because their DEED were EVIL (sinful).

SIN and UNBELIEF in God's Word that will keep all practicing it OUT of God's Kingdom.

If we break God's 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) Just like all the rest of God's Law we stand guilty before God in SIN and SIN will keep you out of God's Kingdom. What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom.

If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)

There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.

 

[Grandpa]

If we are resting in Christ and the Lord is producing spiritual fruit in us, which of those fruit is breaking any of Gods Law?

And when you look at the fruit of the spirit which one is rest only on saturdays? Or worship God only on saturdays? Or go to church only on saturdays?

Galatians 5:22-23
[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.[/FONT]

 

[Snoozy]

It's hard to believe that SDA's could actually believe such ludicrous nonsense, yet...

"One class will advocate a gospel of human devisings and will worship the beast and his image... The other class, in marked contrast, will live by the true gospel and 'keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus' (Rev. 14:9,12)... those who reject God's memorial of creatorship--the Bible Sabbath--choosing to worship and honor Sunday...will receive the mark of the beast."

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

hey dan i got a question. how come we are baptizing so many people on sunday? how come we got busses running? why would the devil lead people to be baptized and go to church? this week we got folks getting baptized. like 20!

i checked out the website and these guys are completely lost in the ocean of falsehoods. this invisible judgment that started after a prophecy failed is a sad attempt to cover their failures.

 

[LoveGodForever]

It's hard to believe that SDA's could actually believe such ludicrous nonsense, yet...

"One class will advocate a gospel of human devisings and will worship the beast and his image... The other class, in marked contrast, will live by the true gospel and 'keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus' (Rev. 14:9,12)... those who reject God's memorial of creatorship--the Bible Sabbath--choosing to worship and honor Sunday...will receive the mark of the beast." Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

Amazing someone that professes to know God while teaching others to break God's Commandments and pointing people to the teachings or men instead of the Word of God.

Here the scriptures provide a warning...........

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
7, LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.

How do we know if we know God and are following him............

1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM BUT DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

It is very clear who God's Saints are.....................

Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yep God's Saints are those who through FAITH have the fruit of OBEDIENCE to LOVE as Jesus LOVES and they FOLLOW HIM in LOVE. God's LAW written on the HEART to LOVE is FULFILLED in them who BELIEVE HIS WORD and they KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD through FAITH.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.

 

[gb9]

1st John 3- these are the commands to John is referring to - believe on the name of the Son, and love one another.

1st John is a letter. meant to be read as one. you just cannot take a few verses out and make the letter say something it does not. now there is man-made teaching.

 

[LoveGodForever]

hey dan i got a question. how come we are baptizing so many people on sunday? how come we got busses running? why would the devil lead people to be baptized and go to church? this week we got folks getting baptized. like 20! i checked out the website and these guys are completely lost in the ocean of falsehoods. this invisible judgment that started after a prophecy failed is a sad attempt to cover their failures.

Yet you cannot provide any scriptures for what you believe or share any scripture on what you believe is falsehood. Quoting yourself over God's Word does not make your words come true. Only God is true yet you provide no scripture to support your claims? The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word?

 

[Snoozy]

Yet you cannot provide any scriptures for what you believe or share any scripture on what you believe is falsehood. Quoting yourself over God's Word does not make your words come true. Only God is true yet you provide no scripture to support your claims? The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Who can know the Word of God when there is no Word?

i wont play these games- we have given u scripture u just reinterpret it. this wont work on folks like me

answer me if the people who are baptized today on sunday are they being led there by the devil?

 

[LoveGodForever]

1st John 3- these are the commands to John is referring to - believe on the name of the Son, and love one another. 1st John is a letter. meant to be read as one. you just cannot take a few verses out and make the letter say something it does not. now there is man-made teaching.

Yet you leave out the CONTEXT which is talking about breaking God's commandments.................

1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
7, LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loves not his brother.
as also to love one another as brethren
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Seems like your the one doing all the accusing and you are in fact the one that is doing the things you are accusing others of.

So how do we know if we know God and are really following him?

1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM BUT DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

It is very clear who God's Saints are.....................

Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yep God's Saints are those who through FAITH have the fruit of OBEDIENCE to LOVE as Jesus LOVES and they FOLLOW HIM in LOVE. God's LAW written on the HEART to LOVE is FULFILLED in them who BELIEVE HIS WORD and they KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD through FAITH.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.

 

[LoveGodForever]

i wont play these games- we have given u scripture u just reinterpret it. this wont work on folks like me answer me if the people who are baptized today on sunday are they being led there by the devil?

Not at all if you were ok with scripture you would have it to share but it seems that you do not. I will answer you if you answer me this. If someone is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED STATE?

 

[gb9]

Yet you leave out the CONTEXT which is talking about breaking God's commandments.................

1 John 3
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
7, LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loves not his brother.
as also to love one another as brethren
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Seems like your the one doing all the accusing and you are in fact the one that is doing the things you are accusing others of.

So how do we know if we know God and are really following him?

1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, if WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM BUT DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

It is very clear who God's Saints are.....................

Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yep God's Saints are those who through FAITH have the fruit of OBEDIENCE to LOVE as Jesus LOVES and they FOLLOW HIM in LOVE. God's LAW written on the HEART to LOVE is FULFILLED in them who BELIEVE HIS WORD and they KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD through FAITH.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.

1st John 3 -after all the insructions to keep the commands, John says the commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another. that is not taking anything out of context. that is clear. nothing about Sabbath. you should accept this.

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 8:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Hebrews 7:18-19
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Best to believe God and not the traditions of the SDA or the Hebrew Roots.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

1st John 3 -after all the insructions to keep the commands, John says the commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another. that is not taking anything out of context. that is clear. nothing about Sabbath. you should accept this.

John also does not mention obstaining from ewating food with blood or sacrificed to idols, 2 things that are forbidden in the NT. Acts 15 and Rev 2.

SO is this the game, isolate passages in a merry go round fashion claiming each time only that passages Commands are binding to the NT believer? What happened to the entire word of Yah?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].” (Deut 8:3)[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 3:16-1716, “All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif][/FONT]

 

[gb9]

John also does not mention obstaining from ewating food with blood or sacrificed to idols, 2 things that are forbidden in the NT. Acts 15 and Rev 2.

SO is this the game, isolate passages in a merry go round fashion claiming each time only that passages Commands are binding to the NT believer? What happened to the entire word of Yah?

Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.” (Deut 8:3)



2 Timothy 3:16-1716, “All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”

you guys constantly reference the first two chapters of 1st John about command keeping. but then in chapter 3, when John declares what the commands are, you try as hard as you can to dismiss it. that is not a merry go round on my part.

 

[Hizikyah]

wonder what these verses mean? Can anyone who thinks the 7th day Sabbath is obsolete in any way please explain them to me;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

 

[Snoozy]

Not at all if you were ok with scripture you would have it to share but it seems that you do not. I will answer you if you answer me this. If someone is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED STATE?

im fine with scripture. just not ur weird interpretation of it.

but the answer to ur question is if someone isnt repentant at all they aint saved.

but the reason u asked this question is so that u can answer mine with "well the folks who are getting baptized on sunday will disobey the 4th commandment and live in unrepentant sin and arent saved"

i know these schemes already. the difference again comes in rightly dividing the word of truth. paul lists all the other commandments for the church age but is careful to leave out the sabbath. aint that strange? i dont believ someone not keeping the sabbath whatever that means since u dont keep it either is living in willful sin.

how many times have i posted scripture that u so much ask about how u dont even keep the sabbath? do u make everyone in ur city borders not work on sabbath (exodus 20:10)? no. do u guys sacrifice two lambs (numbers 28:10)? no. do u guys make fire(exodus 35:3) ? yes. if u live in a cold country do u turn off the heat for sabbath? no.

so u guys are just acting like u keep the sabbath while u dont. just like the pharisees in Jesus' time. this is a prime example of how important it is to rightly divide the word of truth or u will be mixed up in all kinds of false doctrines. this is why i usually have a short introduction to folks who get saved on how to rightly divide. it takes about 45minutes and i go through the basics of the covenants.
surprise surprise that folks who know that from the beginning are stable christians and grow in faith and sanctification.

 

[Grandpa]

If we are resting in Christ and the Lord is producing spiritual fruit in us, which of those fruit is breaking any of Gods Law?

And when you look at the fruit of the spirit which one is rest only on saturdays? Or worship God only on saturdays? Or go to church only on saturdays?

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

There's a really important fruit in there that can be missed.

Faith.

Hebrews 4:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Gotta get you some of that.

Galatians 3:2-3
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Its not me thats mocking the legalist and the judaizer. I really wish that we could merit the favor of God through our work and obedience. It would make much more sense to people who are used to working and working hard and WANT to work.

But for some reason God has decided thats not the Way of His People. His People will seek Him and obey Him only by Faith in Him and not by their work or their understanding.


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[Lighthearted]

I'm just so greatful for my Lord Jesus Christ. That He knew before sin even entered the world, that one day He would defeat death to save Brandy Johnson because she, no matter how hard she tried, no matter how much she loves her Lord and Savior, would ever be perfect and sin free unless He washed me clean with His blood. WOW! I love Him and have complete faith and belief that He died and was Resurrected according to His Word. I am promised eternal life although I am wretched and will never deserve such a gift.
Thank you Jesus.

 

[LoveGodForever]

If we are resting in Christ and the Lord is producing spiritual fruit in us, which of those fruit is breaking any of Gods Law?

And when you look at the fruit of the spirit which one is rest only on saturdays? Or worship God only on saturdays? Or go to church only on saturdays?

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The FRUIT being spoken of is the fruit of FAITH which is OBEDIENCE to God's LAW by ABIDING in Christ. IF you are living a life of SIN then you have NO fruit and are still IN your SINS because you are NOT ABIDING IN HIM who loves all and HIS SPIRIT in NOT in YOU..............

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.2
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit <OBEDIENCE>; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit <SIN>.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit <SIN>, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit <OBEDIENCE>.
19 Every tree that brings not forth good fruit OBEDIENCE> is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

1 John 3
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NEITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM.
7, LITTLE CHILDREN LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.

This is the FRUIT of the SPIRIT which is LOVE through faith and the operation of God's NEW Covenant promise of HIS LAW written in the HEART through LOVE which is the FULFILLING of HIS LAW in those that WALK IN HIS SPIRIT..............

Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more

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Romans 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

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James 2
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

So if you knowingly break one, your guilty of breaking all of them and unless you seek God in confession and repentance the scripture's above say you DO NOT KNOW HIM who LOVES ALL because you are STILL IN YOUR SINS because you have NOT BELIEVED HIS WORD. SIN will keep ALL who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom............

Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Friends seek the Lord while he may be found call upon HIM while he is near. Tomorrow may be too late.