GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[MadebyHim]

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. [SUP]2 [/SUP]In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Revelation 22

 

[Hizikyah]

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #H226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

This is the same Hebrew word (owth) from Exodus 13:9, this time it is used speaking of a specific Law; the Sabbath and is called the sign/mark/evidence of consent. Also notice how YHWH says, “I am YHWH Who sanctifies them.” If I choose my own way I “sanctify myself” if I choose His way “He sanctifies me.”

Exodus 13:9, “And it shall be as a *sign to you on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes, that the Torah (Instructions/Law) of יהוה is to be in your mouth, for with a strong hand יהוה has brought you out of Mitsrayim.”

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Isaiah 56:1-7, "This is what YHWH says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying; YHWH has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what YHWH says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YHWH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to YHWH, to serve Him, and to love the Name of YHWH, to be His servants – everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer…"

 

[phil36]

[video=youtube;xR6l87FiR_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR6l87FiR_8[/video]

 

[Hizikyah]

The Written word...It is not in the heavens, to say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us - present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth

Deuteronomy 30:11-14, "For this command which I am commanding you today, it is not too hard for you, nor is it far off. It is not in the heavens, to say, ‘Who shall ascend into the heavens for us, and bring it to us, and cause us to hear it, so that we do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, to say, ‘Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, and cause us to hear it, so that we do it? For the Word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart – to do it."


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2 Timothy 2:15, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth.”


1 Thessalonians 5:21, "but test everything; hold fast what is righteous."



John 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
You still have not answered any post and questions with all the scriptures I have sent you why do you think I agree with you? I do not see anyone here telling anyone else that we have to keep God's Law to maintain salvation. The scripture says as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk ye in Him. We walk by faith and not by sight in the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and love in the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.... So again if no one is saying that we have to maintain our salvation by keeping God's commandments why are you saying that they are saying this when they are not?

Hi Loveforgod,Change of topic I see. Lets stick to what you said. So you agree that no Christian needs to keep the Sabbath? As you said -no one has to maintain their salvation by keeping God's commands. your words not mine. So you finally agree we are not to keep the Sabbath, and you have said above -any other law/commandments to either gain or maintain salvation, your words!

Well no that is not what I am saying at all. It seems you do not know what it means to walk in the Spirit. Or that the fruit of faith is obedience to God's Law of love on which all the Law and the prophets hang.

 

[phil36]

Well no that is not what I am saying at all. It seems you do not know what it means to walk in the Spirit. Or that the fruit of faith is obedience to God's Law of love on which all the Law and the prophets hang.

So what you say here is not really what you mean:

No one here is telling you that we have salvation through keeping God's Law are they? When have you ever heard anyone here say that we are saved through keeping God's commandments? On the contrary we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. Now if no one is saying this why do you say they are?

So either you do believe you have to strictly keep the Sabbath or you you don't. We have to assume that you believe walking in the Spirit involves Sabbath keeping.. Therefore putting yourself back under the law.

Unles you can ell us with a straight answer.. Are Christians obligated to keep the Sabbath?

 

[Grandpa]

Hebrews 4:1-11
[FONT=&quot]1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Galatians 3:1-3
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[FONT=&quot]1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Oh foolish legalists and judaizers, have you even started in the spirit? Are you still so foolish to believe it is your work at the law that is pleasing to God? Or that it is "obedience"?

Galatians 3:10-12
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[FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Did you know that resting on saturdays because its what you think the law says are works of the law?

Galatians 3:24-25
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

All you have to do is come to Christ and you will see.

No matter how plainly and simply it is presented if you don't come to Christ you will never understand, not fully.[/FONT]

 

[comingfrom]

Originally Posted by comingfrom

When the Lord renewed your mind, He told you God's law is legalism, and opposite to the gospel?

Hi Paul.

No that is incorrect and not what was said. Please refer back to post #90. which was in response to a direct question that you gave.
In fact it is the very same question Paul address in Romans 6.

OK, here goes.
I'm still new to this forum and learning its in and outs.

Back in post #90, you wrote.

We obey through love, that comes by being renewed in mind and heart. Being lawless (antinomian) and legalistic are both opposites to the Gospel.

From this, I did presume legalistic is lawfulness.

You are making three categories.
Without law, with law, and with your gospel of... what was it again? Grace without legalism?

And you obey what through love?

Certainly not God's law, when you say you don't need to keep His sabbaths.
To get this back on topic, you say.

So you finally agree we are not to keep the Sabbath, and you have said above -any other law/commandments to either gain or maintain salvation, your words!

What does the Lord say?
Or don't you believe in your Bible?
Looks to me like, believing what you do gives you permission to ignore all that God says.
You've plucked a few verses from the New Testament and interpreted them in such a way as to dismiss whatever God says from here on in.

The sabbath is the most holy of God's commandments.
It is how we know He is our God, because it is in His sabbaths that He sanctifies us.
His sabbaths is the sign between us and Him.
If you have ever been baptized of the Lord, then you have made a successful sabbath,
and I congratulate you.

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying,
Verily My sabbaths ye shall keep:
for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations;
that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exodus 31:13

And hallow My sabbaths;
and they shall be a sign between Me and you,
that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
Ezekiel 20:20

Praise Jesus
Paul

 

[LoveGodForever]

[video=youtube;xl87FiR_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR6l87FiR_8[/video]

Phil do you follow the Word of website over the Word of God? Isn't this the teachings of man over the Word of God? Jesus says that if we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God.......

Matthew 15:3
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man the break the commandments of God. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

 

[Grandpa]

Well no that is not what I am saying at all. It seems you do not know what it means to walk in the Spirit. Or that the fruit of faith is obedience to God's Law of love on which all the Law and the prophets hang.

Galatians 5:22-23
[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Do you see "resting on saturdays" to be a fruit of the spirit?? No of course not. That is following a carnal commandment. One that can be fulfilled by our own understanding, strength and will.

If something is spiritual it is something that we cannot do of ourselves. It is something that has to be caused by God. See John 15:5, again... [/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

Phil do you follow the Word of website over the Word of God? Isn't this the teachings of man over the Word of God? Jesus says that if we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God.......

Matthew 15:3
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man the break the commandments of God. Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

Isn't that what you do when you follow Seventh Day Adventist teaching over the teaching of the Bible?

Do you just not understand the passages in Galatians or has the SDA told you that Paul is a false apostle?

 

[LoveGodForever]

So what you say here is not really what you mean:So either you do believe you have to strictly keep the Sabbath or you you don't. We have to assume that you believe walking in the Spirit involves Sabbath keeping.. Therefore putting yourself back under the law. Unles you can ell us with a straight answer.. Are Christians obligated to keep the Sabbath?

Phil you still have not answered any of my questions what does it mean to you to be "Under the Law"?

If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state?

 

[Hizikyah]

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Do you see "resting on saturdays" to be a fruit of the spirit?? No of course not. That is following a carnal commandment. One that can be fulfilled by our own understanding, strength and will.

If something is spiritual it is something that we cannot do of ourselves. It is something that has to be caused by God. See John 15:5, again...

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."[/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."


Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

That would be a really good post and in perfect agreement to mine as well.

But I have a feeling you don't understand it. And think you have posted scripture that is not in agreement to what I wrote.

What was the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ?

 

[comingfrom]

Did you know that resting on saturdays because its what you think the law says are works of the law?

Thank you, Grandpa.

I am not ashamed to do God's law.
I shall keep Jesus' works until the end.

But I will add, that when I make a sabbath, it is for the three days, minimum.
So it isn't practical to do it weekly.

But if you never done it like God commanded before, as most people haven't,
then your six days are surely up.

And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto Me, saith the LORD,
to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day,
but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;
Then shall there enter into the gates of this city
kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses,
they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem:
and this city shall remain for ever.
And they shall come from the cities of Judah,
and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the land of Benjamin,
and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south,
bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense,
and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.
Jeremiah 17:24

Just like Moses' day, and Jesus' day, and your last day, are not single days,
neither is the sabbath day a single day.
At least, it isn't for me.

Paul

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hebrews 4:1-11
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Galatians 3:1-3

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Oh foolish legalists and judaizers, have you even started in the spirit? Are you still so foolish to believe it is your work at the law that is pleasing to God? Or that it is "obedience"?

Galatians 3:10-12

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Did you know that resting on saturdays because its what you think the law says are works of the law?

Galatians 3:24-25

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

All you have to do is come to Christ and you will see.
No matter how plainly and simply it is presented if you don't come to Christ you will never understand, not fully.

Lovely Scriptures Grandpa I love every one of them. What your point is I do not understand as no one here is telling you that you are saved by keeping God's Law. We are saved by grace through faith and not of yourself it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. Now if no one is saying that we are saved by keeping God's Law what is your point? Obedience is the fruit of faith and if you do not have it God's Word says your faith is dead

Maybe you can answer this question for Phil as I do not think he knows the answer.......

If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state?

 

[phil36]

Phil you still have not answered any of my questions what does it mean to you to be "Under the Law"?

If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state?

[video=youtube;xR6l87FiR_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=xR6l87FiR_8[/video]

 

[LoveGodForever]

[video=youtube;xl87FiR_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=xR6l87FiR_8[/video]

Phil your better off reading God's Word for yourself rather than pointing people to the teachings of men. You still have not answered any of my questions and posts I see. It is ok. I do not expect you to. All I ask is that you may prayerfully consider answering them for yourself as you study God's Word because it is the Word of God that will judge all of us in the last days (John 12:47-48)

 

[phil36]

OK, here goes.
I'm still new to this forum and learning its in and outs.

OK, here goes.
I'm still new to this forum and learning its in and outs.

Back in post #90, you wrote.

We obey through love, that comes by being renewed in mind and heart. Being lawless (antinomian) and legalistic are both opposites to the Gospel.


From this, I did presume legalistic is lawfulness.

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Hi Paul,

I don't see from what I said 'legalistic' is lawlessness?

Anyhow, I have answered your question.

You asked the exact same question the Apostle PAul rhetorically asks in Romans 6. And Paul answers it succinctly. In fact Romans 6..is basically the answer to your questioning.

Regarding the Sabbath. Are you saying we (Christians) are commanded therefore obligated to keep it as a weekly Sabbath. Observing it weekly?

 

[phil36]

Phil your better off reading God's Word for yourself rather than pointing people to the teachings of men. You still have not answered any of my questions and posts I see. It is ok. I do not expect you to. All I ask is that you may prayerfully consider answering them for yourself as you study God's Word because it is the Word of God that will judge all of us in the last days (John 12:47-48)

I have.

So do you believe God's word commands Christian to observe the Sabbath weekly (sat..or fri eve -sat eve). Are we obligated to this command?