GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Hizikyah]

Read the book of Galatians Hizikyah. Legalism adds to the perfect work of Christ. Christians are not under the law. To teach otherwise is false teaching.

13For the promise that Abraham would be heir of the world was not made to him and his descendants through the Law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by the Law are heirs, faith is useless and the promise is worthless,15because the Law brings wrath.

You call all obedience "legalisim" all obedience is not legalisim.

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

 

[phil36]

Hi Hizikyah,

Believe in the Gospel. Jesus can set you free my friend to serve from the heart. The law will only condemn you.. But the good news is that Christ has fulfilled all righteousness so that in Him we to fulfill all righteousness. When God see's you in His Son he see's His Son's finished work.

Romans 6:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.



Romans 7:1-6English Standard Version (ESV)

Released from the Law

7 Or do you not know, brothers[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.[b]3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.[c]




Ephesians 2:15English Standard Version (ESV)

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,


1 Timothy 1:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a]liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

 

[valiant]

Phil just using your own reasoning here...

Are Christians required to not lie?
Are Christians required to not steal?
Are Christians required to not murder?
Are Christians required to not commit adultery?
Are Christians required to not covet?
Are Christians required to not use God's name in vain?
Are Christians required to not make idols and bow down to them?
Are Christians required to not have any other God's?
Are Christians required to not lie?
Are Christians required to keep God's Sabbath holy?

Here you can find your answers here..... Exodus 20:1-17; Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12

The ten commandments are specifically to Israel. They are not directly applicable to anyone outside Israel.

Most of them are well known principles outside Israel. We observe them because they are such and not because they are in the ten commandments. The Sabbath law is an exception. It was to Israel only.

Paul says,

Rom 14:4
Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.
Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7
For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself.

Paul KNEW that slaves could not choose their day off. He therefore said no day was more important than any other . That is enough for me,

 

[Grandpa]

Dear Grandpa.

When you reduce the Lord's sabbath commandment to "resting on saturdays", then sure, it is merely a carnal commandment.

But the Lord is God's spirit, and His law came by Moses, and it is not carnal,
and keeping the sabbaths involves more than just resting on Saturdays.

There shall be day of atonement,
and one must afflict their soul in that day.

For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day,
he shall be cut off from among His people.
Leviticus 23:29

This is not a carnal commandment.
And it isn't that mystical that you cannot understand it, or do it.
It simply means, don't be dreaming about the lemon pie you are going to have after the sabbath,
or wonder whether your horse is going to win while your out making sabbath.
It means, make your eye single for God.
It means put all your carnality, all your desires and worldly thoughts, aside for a little while.


If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 14:37

I see men use St Paul to write off God's word.

To me, that is a false gospel.
St Paul said he was speaking to them that know the law.
St Paul says offer up your bodies a living sacrifice, which is your reasonable service.
This is the sabbath of the Lord, and it is His feast, that Paul is speaking about.
St Paul is teaching Levitical commandments, not carnal commandments.

Christ, or the anointing of God, is the purpose and the outcome of doing the law for righteousness, to those that believe.

In the law God tells us the anointing is appointed to the sons of Aaron.
Who are the sons of Aaron? but the priests of God.
That is, you and me, and anybody who is learning and/or teaching the Lord's works.
Jesus makes us priests unto God.
Isn't it?

And the anointing happens in the sabbath, if we make it right.

This is the portion of the anointing of Aaron, and of the anointing of his sons,
out of the offerings of the LORD made by fire,
in the day when He presented them to minister unto the LORD in the priest's office;
Which the LORD commanded to be given them of the children of Israel, in the day that He anointed them,
by a statute for ever throughout their generations.
Leviticus 7:35-36

Bless God
Paul

Hebrews 7:11 [FONT=&quot]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

[/FONT]Apparently, according to legalism, there was no further need.

2 Corinthians 3:6 [FONT=&quot]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

[/FONT]2 Corinthians 3:7 [FONT=&quot]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

[/FONT]Galatians 3:10 [FONT=&quot]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[/FONT]What is the solution?

Romans 8:2-7
[FONT=&quot]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The law of sin and death is the 10 commandments written on stone. People can't do it so it is weak through the flesh. But when people come to Christ the Lord gives them the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the cause of our Righteousness, the cause of our walking in Gods Statutes. This Power is from God and is not from our understanding or will or strength.

If we walk away from Christ and try to work at the law again in our own understanding we have abandoned Liberty and have become entangled again in the yoke of bondage. (Death, curse, condemnation, etc...) ;Our only hope is in Christ.[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

=Grandpa;3324997]Hebrews 4:1-11

1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

So GP, what are the examples that fell, and why did they fall? Was it because they kept God's Commandments? Or because they
"Transgressed God's Commandments by their own traditions"? Didn't these example reject God's Word? Isn't that how we all know they didn't really believe, even though they said they did?

Didn't Jesus tell us exactly why they fell?

Matt. 157 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.:

Isn't the reason they fell because they rejected God's Sabbath and created their own version? One where it was unlawful to help a brother in need on His Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Isn't this why were told to "Walk even as he Walked"? And what Sabbath did Jesus walk in. The Sabbath created by the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time? Did in walk in your Sabbath GP?

No, He walked in the same Sabbath that He created for man before He became man. The Holy 7th Day Sabbath was created by Him, For Him and Through Him. Jesus is truly "Lord of the Sabbath"

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

"For the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

Why do men reject this simple Biblical instruction? And will God give you understanding of the following verses if you reject the simplest of all Commandments to keep?


Galatians 3:1-3

1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

So who were the preachers of that time bewitching folks?

There were Pharisees who were still preaching the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" as prescribed by Moses for the remission of sins.

And there were the Apostles who preached Grace, through Faith in Jesus for the remission of sins.

Can you deny this using the Bible as your source?

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, (Levitical Priesthood sacrifices for the remission of sins the Pharisees were still "bewitching" people with)or by the hearing of faith"( Belief in the Blood of Jesus for the remission of sins)

Oh foolish legalists and judaizers, have you even started in the spirit? Are you still so foolish to believe it is your work at the law that is pleasing to God? Or that it is "obedience"?

This is an untruth you use to defend the man made doctrines and traditions of modern churches and is a deceitful statement.


Galatians 3:10-12

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

The Levitical Priesthood was the only law created for the remission of sins. It was Added to God's law, until the Seed should come. Heb. 7-10. Abraham didn't have it, and we don't have it. But from Moses till Jesus this was the way sins were forgiven.


I can't believe you are making judgments of Hiz, and you don't know these foundational truths of the Bible.



12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

What Law is not of faith. "Love the invisible Lord your God with all your might and soul". No, even a child can see that this Law is of faith.

How about "Remember a Sabbath say created from the beginning of creation by this same invisible God". No, this law is also followed by Faith.

But what about the Levitical Priesthood made up of men we can see, who perform Ceremonial and sacrificial "Word and deeds" we can see, according to its Law for the remission of sins?

Is this law of Faith? No! You sin, you gather a sacrifice, you find a Levite, he performs "Works of the Law" and your sin was forgiven. No faith, just works.

WE know Abraham was "justified apart from this law" because they were not ADDED until 430 years after him. But Abraham was obedient to God's Laws as it is written.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So then those "Bewitching" the Galatians were not trying to preach obedience to God and the New Covenant He preached about years before Paul, they were trying to convince them that it was still necessary to perform the Levitical Priesthood "work of the Law" for remission of sins that Jesus replaced with his blood.

The rest of Galatians confirms this as well as all other scripture in the Bible old and new. It is Mainstream Christianity, as Jesus prophesied, and by extension you, that is deceived regarding this issue, not Hiz.

I mean no offence, but am saying these things to prompt you to dig into as we have, I am confident if you do, you will come up with the same truth.

Did you know that resting on saturdays because its what you think the law says are works of the law?

Not in the context in which Paul uses them. The Law Paul speaks of Abraham didn't have. Now Abraham had Laws, and it might be debated on what laws they were concerning the Sabbath. But we know he didn't have the Levitical Priesthood as Levi had not been born.

Gal.3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So we know Abraham had God's Laws.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

And we know God "ADDED" a law 430 years later. We also know that the Levitical Priesthood was this "ADDED" law. And is was added because of transgression of an existing law. And that this ADDED law was for the remission of sins "Until the Seed should come".

So you seem to missing a lot of scriptural evidence, and that may be why you take these scriptures out of context.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

So what was the blood of goat to symbolize? Christ's blood, Yes? So no more need for the Levitical Priesthood, on with the new covenant of grace through faith for the remission of sins.

But the definition of sin has not changed according to the Scriptures.

All you have to do is come to Christ and you will see.

No matter how plainly and simply it is presented if you don't come to Christ you will never understand, not fully.

It's all in the Word of God. For Jesus said "Man shall live by Every Word of God" and the Truth shall set you free. Have faith in His Word and stop letting some religious franchise filter the scriptures. It's all right there in your Bible and in mine.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

Believe in the Gospel. Jesus can set you free my friend to serve from the heart. The law will only condemn you.. But the good news is that Christ has fulfilled all righteousness so that in Him we to fulfill all righteousness. When God see's you in His Son he see's His Son's finished work.

Romans 6:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.



Romans 7:1-6English Standard Version (ESV)

Released from the Law

7 Or do you not know, brothers[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.[b]3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.[c]




Ephesians 2:15English Standard Version (ESV)

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,


1 Timothy 1:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a]liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

1 Timothy 1:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,

peace be upon you Phil.

I see you isolaing certian thigns Paul wrote (you nearly only quote Paul, and Scripture say his writings are hard to undersstand and can be twiststed into lawlessness) and ignoring other things he said and most other Scripture.

we go back and forth, round and round.

I answer many of your questions yet you do not seem to answer mine.

I have two questions for you.

1. cAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR UNDERSTANDING, BREAKDOWN, COMMENTARY OF THE MEAINING, PURPOSE AND RESULT OF THESE 2 PASSAGES?

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

2. cAN YOU DO THE SAME FOR THIS ONE;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

(just for clarification a Scriptual definition of sin;
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law.")[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

The ten commandments are specifically to Israel. They are not directly applicable to anyone outside Israel.

Most of them are well known principles outside Israel. We observe them because they are such and not because they are in the ten commandments. The Sabbath law is an exception. It was to Israel only.

Paul says,

Rom 14:4
Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.
Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind.
Rom 14:6
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7
For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself.

Paul KNEW that slaves could not choose their day off. He therefore said no day was more important than any other . That is enough for me,

Rom. 1:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Romans 14 was for the "WEAK in Faith". Paul said to "Let each man be convinced in his own mind". Convinced in what, that we are to "live by EVERY Word of God" like Jesus instructed, or to "Transgress the Commandments of God by our own Traditions and doctrines."

The strong in faith will have accepted the truth that "God is true and every man a liar". they will learn that Jesus, before He became a man, created the Sabbath for man, which mean for Him after He was born. So then the Sabbath is truly created by Him, and For Him as 1 Col. 16 teaches. The Strong in faith will learn that Jesus is Truly "The Lord of His Sabbath". And they will follow His instruction to always "Remember" this truth.

 

[phil36]

peace be upon you Phil.

I see you isolaing certian thigns Paul wrote (you nearly only quote Paul, and Scripture say his writings are hard to undersstand and can be twiststed into lawlessness) and ignoring other things he said and most other Scripture.

we go back and forth, round and round.

I answer many of your questions yet you do not seem to answer mine.

I have two questions for you.

1. cAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR UNDERSTANDING, BREAKDOWN, COMMENTARY OF THE MEAINING, PURPOSE AND RESULT OF THESE 2 PASSAGES?



2. cAN YOU DO THE SAME FOR THIS ONE;

Romans 7:25 Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

(just for clarification a Scriptual definition of sin;

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law.")

Hi Hizikyah.

I have answered. However, because you don't understand the gospel, you haven't picked up the answer.

The difference is you use 'obedience' as being a list of laws to dutifully be observed. The Sabbath being one of them. This is what Paul preaches against in Galatians.

Christians fulfil from the heart of love, only because they have been 'set free' from the bondage of sin, and from being under the law. We are now under grace.

Oh, When a believer sins, he is not under the condemnation of the law, like an unbeliever or those who put themselves under the law.

Once you understand the the gospel the answer becomes obvious. The Gospel is everything Hizikyah not law. The law brings condemnation.

Romans 6:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.



Romans 7:1-6English Standard Version (ESV)

Released from the Law

7 Or do you not know, brothers[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.[b]3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.[c]




Ephesians 2:15English Standard Version (ESV)

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,


1 Timothy 1:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a]liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine,

 

[Studyman]

Abraham did not have the Torah, that was not given until 100's of years later.

No, God has always had His perfect Law, and Abraham and Noah had them. What they didn't have was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial sacrificial, "works and Deeds of the Law for remission of sins.(Paul speaks of these in Rom. Gal.) that was ADDED to God perfect Laws 100's of years later. This truth goes against your church traditions and doctrines, but does not go against the teachings of the Bible.

Jesus warned you about listening to the "MANY" who come in His name. You might consider that warning.

 

[valiant]

Rom. 1:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Romans 14 was for the "WEAK in Faith". Paul said to "Let each man be convinced in his own mind". Convinced in what, that we are to "live by EVERY Word of God" like Jesus instructed, or to "Transgress the Commandments of God by our own Traditions and doctrines."

The strong in faith will have accepted the truth that "God is true and every man a liar". they will learn that Jesus, before He became a man, created the Sabbath for man, which mean for Him after He was born. So then the Sabbath is truly created by Him, and For Him as 1 Col. 16 teaches. The Strong in faith will learn that Jesus is Truly "The Lord of His Sabbath". And they will follow His instruction to always "Remember" this truth.

LOL and you consider yourself strong in faith? Well I consider you weak in faith bound to Israel's law.

Paul considered YOURS a doubtful disputation,

The Sabbath is unknown before Ex 16 and there it was only observed by SOME. You simply ignore the facts,

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah.

I have answered. However, because you don't understand the gospel, you haven't picked up the answer.

I must have missied your commentary and breakdown of the Scriptures I asked about, all I seem to see is you telling me I have no understanding.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

I must have missied your commentary and breakdown of the Scriptures I asked about, all I seem to see is you telling me I have no understanding.

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Here is more of what Paul says:

Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)

Life in the Spirit

8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh,



Jesus has done what the law could not do.. Jesus set us free from the commands and curse of the law. We no longer follow the law. And we are not obliged to observe the Sabbath.

By the way since you say I only provide one side of Paul (as if Paul had 2 gospels..No there is only one gospel). Where does Paul say we are commanded to observe the Sabbath?

 

[MattforJesus]

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Carnal,sold under sin,but then comes the Holy Spirit.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Led by the Spirit there is no ways of the flesh there,so they are not under the law for they are not sinning,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution,but when they sin,or hold unto sin,they are back under the law,until they get rid of it,and mean it,which God is not mocked,for whatever a person sows,that shall they reap,and God said to the saints do not be deceived by that,and Jesus said whatever is in your heart,is what comes out,and defines who you are,for our thoughts,and actions,define who we are,so if they sin,or hold unto sin,that is what is in their heart,so how are they clean.

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Paul said he can have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity then he is nothing.

Charity,love in action,does not think an evil thought,and does not sin by the Spirit,and is not selfish,and only goes by their needs,and not their wants,and helps the poor and needy with their needs,for God loves people,not blessing the saints with their wants,and is not arrogant,and does not act unseemly,and is kind.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Jesus Christ saves us then the responsibility falls on us to keep right,for we still have a choice between good and evil,and the Spirit will not twist our arm to do what is right,so we have to make the right choice before the Spirit will lead us.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

There is no difference between the Old Testament,and the New Testament,by way of abiding by the truth,and obeying God,for if we do not we will be cut off like in the Old Testament when they did not abide by the truth,and obey God.

Luk 12:42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Since we can have the Holy Spirit in the New Testament much more is required of the saints than the Old Testament.

At least the Old Testament saints had an excuse why they could not completely abstain from sin,for they could not have the Holy Spirit,but the blood of bulls and goats covered their sins until Christ came and completely washed away their sins.

In the New Testament there is no excuse,for God has poured out His Spirit upon all flesh to be able to receive,and if they hate sin,and do not want sin,by the Spirit they can abstain from sin.

But some people want to take away responsibility from the saints when the Spirit is available to them.

The Bible plainly states to bring all thoughts to the obedience of Christ,until our obedience is fulfilled,and Jesus told the disciples to teach the world all things that He commanded them,and if they do not obey His commandments they do not love Him,and the love of God is we obey His commandments,and His commandments are not grievous,and to obey is better than sacrifice.

 

[Hizikyah]

Here is more of what Paul says:

Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)

Life in the Spirit

8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh,

Jesus has done what the law could not do.. Jesus set us free from the commands and curse of the law. We no longer follow the law. And we are not obliged to observe the Sabbath.

By the way since you say I only provide one side of Paul (as if Paul had 2 gospels..No there is only one gospel). Where does Paul say we are commanded to observe the Sabbath?

Here is more of what Paul says:
Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)

Life in the Spirit
8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh,

Jesus has done what the law could not do.. Jesus set us free from the commands and curse of the law. We no longer follow the law. And we are not obliged to observe the Sabbath.

By the way since you say I only provide one side of Paul (as if Paul had 2 gospels..No there is only one gospel). Where does Paul say we are commanded to observe the Sabbath?

Here is more of what Paul says:
Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)
Life in the Spirit
8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Here is more of what Paul says:
Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)
Life in the Spirit
2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

Romans 7 -

7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.

1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Here is more of what Paul says:
Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)
Life in the Spirit
3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh,

Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."

He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.

Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”

Jesus has done what the law could not do.. Jesus set us free from the commands and curse of the law. We no longer follow the law. And we are not obliged to observe the Sabbath.

By the way since you say I only provide one side of Paul (as if Paul had 2 gospels..No there is only one gospel). Where does Paul say we are commanded to observe the Sabbath?

You Jesus set you free from the righteous instructions of the Creator? That sounds just like hoe satan set Adam and Eve free from the Instruction of the Creator in the garden...

My Messiah changed my heart so I love His righteous Commands;

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

 

[phil36]

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”



Romans 7 -

7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.

12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.

13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.

14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.

1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”



Romans 8:3 For what the Law was powerless to do, in that men sought to defeat; overthrow, fit, YHWH did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, to bear witness against sin. And so He condemned the sins of all mankind."

He did not bear witness against the Law, He came to bear witness against sin, which is the breaking the Law.

Is it a sin to steal? or is it a sin to follow do not steal?

Romans 7:14, “For we know that the Law is spiritual...”



You Jesus set you free from the righteous instructions of the Creator? That sounds just like hoe satan set Adam and Eve free from the Instruction of the Creator in the garden...

My Messiah changed my heart so I love His righteous Commands;

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

Hi Hizikyah,

You need to concentrate on Jesus and His perfect work on your behalf. Your obsessed with Law and commandments.

It would be great if you were obsessed with talking about Jesus and not your own works of the law and how we all must be Sabbatarians.

[h=1]Romans 7New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Released From the Law, Bound to Christ[/h][FONT=&quot]7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.[/FONT]

 

[Snoozy]

its not about books and tablets anymore. its God writing the law in our hearts.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

You need to concentrate on Jesus and His perfect work on your behalf. Your obsessed with Law and commandments.

It would be great if you were obsessed with talking about Jesus and not your own works of the law and how we all must be Sabbatarians.

Romans 7New International Version (NIV)

Released From the Law, Bound to Christ

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting." [/FONT]

 

[phil36]

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

And Yahshua said this:

Romans 7

Released From the Law, Bound to Christ

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.



Anytime you mention Jesus, its only as a sideline to following commands.

 

[Studyman]

LOL and you consider yourself strong in faith? Well I consider you weak in faith bound to Israel's law.

Paul considered YOURS a doubtful disputation,

The Sabbath is unknown before Ex 16 and there it was only observed by SOME. You simply ignore the facts,

I consider myself a nobody following Christ's instruction to "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness". and His instruction to "live by EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God". And not just scriptures that can be used to justify some tradition soaked church doctrine.


While I agree your preaching is widespread and "many" adhere to it. The Bible is where I get my instruction. If you can present scripture that proves my post scripturally inaccurate, please post them. And not once in the entire Bible did Israel create a law. So your accusation that I have bound myself to his law is not only false, but baseless.

Your preaching that God's Sabbaths were unknown before Moses is also not Scripturally accurate.

Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

This was long before Moses.

I do not subscribe to your preaching that Adam, Abel, Noah and Abraham didn't know about God's Creation.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So the Biblical fact is Abraham had God's Laws. To deny that is foolish.


If you want to create a Doctrine the preaches God's Sabbath, created at the creation of the world, wasn't included in the Laws Abraham was blessed for keeping, I can't stop you. But it seems foolish and even deceitful to do so.

If you want to create a doctrine that preaches Adam and Abel didn't know about God's creation, including His sanctified Sabbath, that is your choice as well.

"Let each man be convinced in their own mind" who to listen to, God or man.

 

[gb9]

No, God has always had His perfect Law, and Abraham and Noah had them. What they didn't have was the Levitical Priesthood ceremonial sacrificial, "works and Deeds of the Law for remission of sins.(Paul speaks of these in Rom. Gal.) that was ADDED to God perfect Laws 100's of years later. This truth goes against your church traditions and doctrines, but does not go against the teachings of the Bible.

Jesus warned you about listening to the "MANY" who come in His name. You might consider that warning.

you might want to consider this- the Law is perfect. James said if you break one command, you break them all. so, if your ability to keep the law saves or condems you, be careful.

also, Abraham believed, it was credited to him as righteousness. God to him to go, he went. God told Noah to build the ark. he did.

this had nothing to do with the Torah, or Sabbath keeping. it is grace ( God reached out), they believed, ( faith ), they did ( works)

keep studying , studyman, you ain't there yet.