Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

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TMS

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I have stated over and over again I believe that Jesus tells us to keep the Sabbath (resting in God, Trusting in God, speaking God's words and not our own, doing God's will and not our own) EVERY DAY! Not just once a week.
The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. All of those things can be done on the sabbath but to do that every day with no laboring (work) would result in a dead world. common sense needs to prevail.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You seem to be saying to God i don't want to do it Your way i want to keep it my way.
God said the 7th day was made holy not every day and this is a fact that can't be changed by mankind.
 

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The 10 commandments are not the same as the laws that Moses wrote. They are called the TEN commandments for a reason.
the other laws are different to the 10 or they would be written in the same place.
 

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Hello GNP, God's WORD disagrees with you......

GOD'S LAW (TORAH) IN GENESIS AND THE SABBATH

Gen 26:5
Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong LAWS - H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh; to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

Abraham kept God's TORAH which includes God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the sacrificial laws for remission of SIN and SIN offerings.

Genesis 22
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And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
7, And Isaac spoke to Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8, And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

13, And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns:and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

Burnt offereings were made for remission of SIN. What is SIN? Sin is disobedience to God's WORD and includes breaking God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4). It is God's WORD and his LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20)

Romans 3
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Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

NOW if GOD tells us that Abraham kept his TORAH (LAWS) then is God's 4th Commandment not part of the TORAH?

Indeed it is. Where does it say in God's WORD that Abraham or any of God's people before MOSES did NOT Keep God's Sabbath?

God says Abraham kept TORAH (10 Commandments and sin offereings). You say Abraham DID NOT keep TORAH (This includes God's 4th Commandment). Who do we believe God or man?

Now if you BELIEVE Abraham did NOT keep God's SABBATH (part of TORAH) then please show the scriptures proving that Abraham did not keep the Sabbath which is part of the TORAH?

God's WORD shows God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the CEREMONIAL laws and ORDINANCES for SIN offerings (TORAH) were kept BEFORE Mt Sinai.

Let's look at God's WORD....

Genesis 26
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Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 5
24, And Enoch walked with God:
and he was not; for God took him.

Genesis 6
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But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9, These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


CONCLUSION:
God's people before Mt Sinai followed him and kept his laws (TORAH). God's Sabbath is a part of God's law (TORAH). There is NO scripture that says God's people including Abraham did NOT keep God's Sabbath. Genesis shows that God's people including Abraham kept his law (TORAH) which includes the Sabbath.

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God destroys mankind because of sin......

Genesis 6
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And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIOS HEAT was only EVIL CONTINUALLY.
6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7, And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.


What are these CONTINUAL EVIL THOUGHTS?

Matthew 15
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For out of the heart proceed EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, ADULTERIES, FORNICATION, THEFTS, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES
20, These are the things which defile a man:

Evil is breaking God's Commandments in thought and actions.

Genesis 6
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But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9, These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah built an altar to the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). The WORLD was destroyed because of SIN (breaking God's LAW). Noah walked with God and was perfect in God's eyes not destroyed because he and his family did NOT practice sin. Noah followed God's LAW and offered SIN offerings for forgiveness of SIN (TORAH)

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Cain was punished by God for Murder (6th Commandment Exo 20:13)

Genesis 4
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And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9, And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10, And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12, When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13, And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

links to....

1 John 3
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Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15, Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). CAIN was punished for the SIN of MURDER when he slew his brother Abel.

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In Genesis we also read about Joseph in Egypt as a servant being tempted to commit adultery with Potifer’s wife

Genesis 39
7, And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8, But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9,There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back anything from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

If Joseph did NOT know God’s LAW then how did he know he was SINNING against God by committing adultery with Potifer’s wife?


CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). Joseph knew that to commit ADULTERY (7th Commandment; Exodus 20:14) was SIN against God and refused not to SIN.

..................The Mosaic laws for remission of sin (SACRIFICIAL SIN OFFERINGS) were practiced BEFORE Sinai....

Genesis 4
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And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.

Genesis 8
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And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) please read Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:11. God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20) SIN offereings were only practiced in the OLD Covenant for the remission or forgiveness of SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) If God's people did not have God's LAW why are they offering SIN offereings to God if these laws were only known about in Mt Sinai?

Abraham and his son practiced and knew about sin offerings...

Genesis 22
7,
And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8, And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Exodus 10
25,
And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.

CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). From Abel through to Abraham before MOSES we see God's people obeying God's LAW and providing sin offerings to God for breaking his law. If there was no law (TORAH) there would be no sin and no need for sin offerings.

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The Sabbath was also kept by our first parents and also others BEFORE Sinai. The reason God gave the 10 Commandments again was being His people had been slaves in Egypt for 430 years (Exodus 12:40). God delivered his people from Egypt (the World) and needed to re-teach them his ways which were mostly forgotten by this time.

So yep God's LAW and the laws for remission of sin and burnt offerings of the OLD Covenant were indeed practiced BEFORE Sinai.

The Sabbath was made at the 7th Day of the creation week and given to Adam and Eve.

Let's look at the scriptures........

Genesis 2
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Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
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And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
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And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

RESTED H7673שָׁבַת shabath
(shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2
God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
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God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
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The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEKLet's now look at God's 4th commandment............

Exodus 20
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Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
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Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
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But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
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For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested theSEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

SABBATH H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath
(shab-bawth') n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.[intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) Sabbath. Root(s): H7673Now who did God make the 7th day a Holy day for? Is he making that day a Holy day for himself? Of course NOT God is already Holy. He has made the day for MANKIND as a HOLY DAY.

Let’s see what Jesus says…………

Mark 2
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And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

STRONGS Greek MAN
G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female

So God made the 7th day of the week a HOLY day and blessed it for MAN this now ties in very nicely with the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY.

Jesus says it was made Holy in the creation week for mankind. All scriptures connect and are in harmony. Genesis where God made the Day a HOLY DAY;

God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).

Now if God made the Sabbath for mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath. The GREEK Word for MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n. is a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female).

There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve
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Yep God's Sabbath was given to mankind in the Garden of Eden and made in the Creation WEEK. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE it. Those that do not BELIEVE God's Word are UNBELIVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's Kingdom.

DISAGREE?
Please show scripture to disprove this post and show where God's word says none before Moses followed God's LAW (TORAH)



That is NOT true either GNP the ORIGIN of the Sabbath is in the CREATION WEEK in Genesis 2:1-3 where GOD made the Sabbath for MANKIND which Jesus is the LORD or CREATOR of the SABBATH (Mark 2:27-28).

ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
You have obviously forgotten about my posts from yesterday...

There is absolutely no proof that the word "law" used in Gen 26:5 refers to the Torah.
Please point out to me the Scriptures where Abraham, or any of the Patriarchs for that matter, received the Torah!
They just don't exist....
Your claim that Gen 26:5 refers to the Torah, is nothing more than a convenient, but utterly false, contention!

The Torah was given to Moses on Mount Sinai and not a moment earlier!

I don't even need to bother challenging all the rest of the false assertions....
 
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though we are not commanded to keep the Covenant on Mount Sinai, I like to examine the High sabbaths mentioned because they are a beautiful picture that points to Jesus and what he has done for us.

i have no issues with those who want to keep them (unless they want to make animal sacrifices, then i do have an issue) but they are not required to keep any of these "High Sabbaths" in the New Covenant.

https://www.gci.org/law/otl08

[h=1]Seven Annual Sabbaths[/h]1997, 2014

1. As God was speaking the old covenant from Mt. Sinai, what kind of annual festivals did he command? Exodus 23:14-17. What other names were given to these festivals? Deuteronomy 16:16.


an interesting article for those interested. will post what I find and comment after my research.








 
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The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. All of those things can be done on the sabbath but to do that every day with no laboring (work) would result in a dead world. common sense needs to prevail.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You seem to be saying to God i don't want to do it Your way i want to keep it my way.
God said the 7th day was made holy not every day and this is a fact that can't be changed by mankind.
no you seem to say that you want it the Pharisees way and not Jesus way. You want the covenant on Mount Sinai and not the NEW covenant Jesus preached.

i have SHOWN SCRIPTURE how God commands we do ALL our work for Him.

you reject this because it allows you to keep a form of holiness but not have to give your WHOLE life to Jesus.

You seem to be saying to God, I don't want to do it Your way 6 days out of the week, but I will pretend to keep the Sabbath one day (what i say is your way but actually my way) so that I might strike with the fist of wickedness AND tell folks how much holier that makes me then others?
 
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THERE ARE TWO LAWS
There is one Torah. Ten commandments, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, all of it called the covenant. In Galatians Paul even calls Genesis "the Law" - the only people who try to say some jots and tittles passed away but other jots and tittles didn't are people like you. Bible doesn't.
10 Commandments are EXPLICITLY called the covenant, and we know absolutely that as believers immersed into Christ, we are not of the covenant that passes away, but of His new covenant.
We serve by Spirit, not by letter. His commands written on our hearts, not on tablets of stone - a ministration of reconciliation and life, not death.
 
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GOD IS TALKING ABOUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN THE VERSES I WILL HIGHLIGHT TO HELP YOU OUT.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE WRITTEN ON STONE. they are called the ministry of Death, mediated by Moses on Mount Sinai. those who seek to be under it are called children of Hagar.

JESUS REPLACED and showed us HOW to FULFILL the 10 commandments in His sermon on the mount SPIRITUALLY and not just by letter of the law.

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2 Corinthians 3
3And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.[SUP]b[/SUP]4Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, 6who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.7Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.12Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts.16But when one[SUP]c[/SUP] turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lord[SUP]d[/SUP] is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,[SUP]e[/SUP] are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another.[SUP]f[/SUP] For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
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Galatians 4

21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
 
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Did Moses write on letters on Stone?

Do you admit that scripture calls the covenant on Mount Sinai the one that gives birth to bondage?

that if you seek to stay under it you are a child of Hagar?

turn from the ministry of death and learn about the NEW covenant.

not what you want it to be, but what JESUS says it is.
 

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The 10 commandments are not the same as the laws that Moses wrote. They are called the TEN commandments for a reason.
the other laws are different to the 10 or they would be written in the same place.
This is unbelievably false reasoning and it is based on a lie!
The implication here is that God was the author of decalogue - true - while Moses was actually the author of the rest of the law - false!

This is a false dichotomy since the Torah is a unified body of the law and GOD is its author!

This lie is an invention of the SDA church and also perpetuated by some other, but not all, Sabbatarian groups in order to try and separate the decalogue from the rest of the law and therefore justify the demand for Sabbath observance.

A laugh and a giggle really....
 
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Gonna refocus on talking about the Sabbaths as found in the Bible.

I am just sadden to see people rejecting God's salvation and placing themselves under the bondage of Hagar.

Just going to leave it in God's hands.
 
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So i learned a new Hebrew word.

Shemittah

here is some information i found...

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/562077/jewish/What-Is-Shemittah.htm


its interesting they say the next one is "September 7, 2021 - September 25, 2022."

gonna quote from the link because folks wiser then I have done the hard work, we can just learn from what the bible says and teaches us.

1. Give Your Friend a Break

At the end of seven years you will make a release. And this is the manner of the release: to release the hand of every creditor from what he lent his friend; he shall not exact from his friend or his brother, because the time of the release for the L‑rd has arrived. (Deuteronomy 15:1–2)

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Take a Break from Farming

For six years you shall sow your field, and for six years you shall prune your vineyard, and gather in its produce. But in the seventh year, the land shall have a complete rest, a Sabbath to the L‑rd; you shall not sow your field, you shall not prune your vineyard, nor shall you reap the aftergrowth of your harvest . . . And [the produce of] the Sabbath of the land shall be yours to eat for you, for your male and female servants, and for your hired worker and resident who live with you . . . (Leviticus 25:3–6)

And if you should say, “What will we eat in the seventh year? We will not sow, and we will not gather in our produce!” (Leviticus 25:20)

I, [G‑d,] will command My blessing for you in the sixth year, and it will yield produce for three years. And you will sow in the eighth year, while still eating from the old crops. Until the ninth year, until the arrival of its crop, you will eat the old crop! (Leviticus 25:21–22)



i found this very insightful. i wonder if God calls us to take a year sabbatical and focus totally on Him?

During this holy year we are expected to concentrate more on our spiritual mission in life, and a little less on our material pursuits. More on why we are needed, less on what we need. More on faith in G‑d, less on faith in our own talents and wiles.
If God allows, wouldn't it be wonderful to do this every day of our lives?
 
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from the same website as a footnote

we have Yovel or the Year of Jubilee... 50th year.

When all the twelve tribes lived in Israel, in their ancestral estates, the year following seven complete Shemittah cycles—the fiftieth year—was observed as Yovel, the Jubilee year. During Yovel, too, the land was not worked, as during Shemittah. In addition, during the Yovel year all slaves were freed, and all fields and houses sold during the past fifty years were returned to their original owners. Unlike Shemittah, however, the Yovel year is no longer observed.


freeing slaves and returning of real estate....

anyone know of some New Testament verses about those two things?
 

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You have obviously forgotten about my posts from yesterday...

There is absolutely no proof that the word "law" used in Gen 26:5 refers to the Torah.
Please point out to me the Scriptures where Abraham, or any of the Patriarchs for that matter, received the Torah!
They just don't exist....
Your claim that Gen 26:5 refers to the Torah, is nothing more than a convenient, but utterly false, contention!

The Torah was given to Moses on Mount Sinai and not a moment earlier!

I don't even need to bother challenging all the rest of the false assertions....
Do you believe that the sanctuary on earth was a shadow of the sanctuary in Heaven?
Do you believe that there was a law that convicted the people as sinners from the beginning?

Name a sin today that the Ten commandments does not convict you for. It covers all.

If the the sanctuary is in heaven today and Jesus is ministering in that sanctuary today think about the things in the sanctuary that we were shown in the old testament. The Ten commandments were placed inside the ark and this should not be overlooked. The ark was the most sacred article in the sanctuary. With two angels overlooking the ark (which satan was one of) between them was the mercy seat. Mercy and grace came from this place to the repentant sinner. Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Was the ten commandments placed there for a reason or not?
Because we needed or need mercy for transgressing them.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Rom_5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Psa 80:1 ... Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.

So God dwelt between the cherubim, and it was the source of mercy.

This is a figure of the true Santuary.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

So if sin is the transgression of the law, WHICH law? Adam sinned and so did Eve so there was a law in their day.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

There is an ark in Heaven. There we find the real sanctuary, the real ark, the real priest (Jesus), the real mediator, the real mercy seat.

Put it together = If the 10 commandments are a pattern of the heavenly law of love, and they were done away with at the cross than Jesus is ministering in the sanctuary for nothing. Christ is mediating for the transgression of an abrogated law.





We need mercy today for transgressing the same law that has been there from the beginning.
 
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Luke 4
17And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,

18“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
20And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

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Jesus is proclaiming the Year of Jubilee, which hadn't been celebrated by the Jewish people since the 10 tribes of Israel in the Northern kingdom were carried off... They still await the Messiah to celebrate it.


https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/513212/jewish/When-Is-the-Next-Jubilee-Year.htm
 
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Do you believe that the sanctuary on earth was a shadow of the sanctuary in Heaven?
Do you believe that there was a law that convicted the people as sinners from the beginning?

Name a sin today that the Ten commandments does not convict you for. It covers all.

If the the sanctuary is in heaven today and Jesus is ministering in that sanctuary today think about the things in the sanctuary that we were shown in the old testament. The Ten commandments were placed inside the ark and this should not be overlooked. The ark was the most sacred article in the sanctuary. With two angels overlooking the ark (which satan was one of) between them was the mercy seat. Mercy and grace came from this place to the repentant sinner. Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Was the ten commandments placed there for a reason or not?
Because we needed or need mercy for transgressing them.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Rom_5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Psa 80:1 ... Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth.

So God dwelt between the cherubim, and it was the source of mercy.

This is a figure of the true Santuary.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

So if sin is the transgression of the law, WHICH law? Adam sinned and so did Eve so there was a law in their day.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

There is an ark in Heaven. There we find the real sanctuary, the real ark, the real priest (Jesus), the real mediator, the real mercy seat.

Put it together = If the 10 commandments are a pattern of the heavenly law of love, and they were done away with at the cross than Jesus is ministering in the sanctuary for nothing. Christ is mediating for the transgression of an abrogated law.





We need mercy today for transgressing the same law that has been there from the beginning.
Show me the Scriptures where any of the Patriarchs received the Torah...
Please, we would all be fascinated to see them.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong and having a code by which one lives is not equal to receiving the Torah and following its precepts....

So, like I said please show all us ignorant dolts these texts where Abraham or any other Patriarch received the Torah....
 
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TMS, I have already shown you how JESUS revealed the true meaning of the ten commandments on HIS sermon on the mount and even showed clearly where JESUS talks about the SABBATH and how its meant to be kept.

you just want to ignore it and stick with the covenant made on Mount Sinai. Esau preferred such things also.
 

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The ten are principles of love that are holy, just and good.
The other laws had there place to help the children of Israel understand who, how, what Jesus was going to do and be.
They finished when they came to the real Jesus. How does killing and lying finish at the cross, these principles are important today.

If i choose to not kill am i under Hagar?
 

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Show me the Scriptures where any of the Patriarchs received the Torah...
Please, we would all be fascinated to see them.

Knowing the difference between right and wrong and having a code by which one lives is not equal to receiving the Torah and following its precepts....

So, like I said please show all us ignorant dolts these texts where Abraham or any other Patriarch received the Torah....
I don't claim to be able to show you this but i agree that they were shown right and wrong. They may have been shown by the Holy Spirit or from the family, either way they were shown by God what was right and wrong and the question is what was right and wrong? Was the Sabbath something they were shown or Not? we can't prove it either way but we can know that Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath and that we are told to keep the law today.
 
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