You must think that we are really stupid...
Gen 26:5 is not proof of anything....
The word law is used but that does not prove that it is a reference to the TORAH.
In fact it CANNOT be a reference to the Torah because the Torah was given to Moses on Mount Sinai - not a moment before!
You cannot provide any Scriptural evidence that Abraham or any other individual prior to Moses had any knowledge of the Torah, or kept the Sabbath!
If there was you would have gleefully pointed it out.
Nothing mentioned in Gen 26:5 can be used as proof that Abraham kept the Torah or observed the Sabbath.
All of your huffing and puffing and numerous Scriptural quotes to try and bolster this position that the Patriarchs were in possession of the Torah all fall flat because you cannot point to ANY Scripture which details them receiving it.
Nobody denies that sin was present prior to the reception of the Torah on Mount Sinai. It entered the human race as documented in Genesis chapter 3. All it took was a single command from God that was broken. Neither Adam nor his wife were in possession of the Torah - they had no need of it!
Your belief that Abraham or any other of the Patriarchs were in possession of the Torah and observed the Sabbath is the purest speculation on your part....
The first mention of the Sabbath is Exodus 20:8 - and that is that.
There is absolutely no evidence of Sabbath observance prior to this otherwise YOU would provided the Scriptures, but they simply don't exist.
Hello GNP, God's WORD disagrees with you......
GOD'S LAW (TORAH) IN GENESIS AND THE SABBATH
Gen 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my
laws.
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong LAWS - H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh; to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute,
especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
Abraham kept God's TORAH which includes God's LAW (10 Commandments)
and the sacrificial laws for remission of SIN and
SIN offerings.
Genesis 22
6, And Abraham took the wood of the
burnt offering, and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
7, And Isaac spoke to Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a
burnt offering?
8, And Abraham said, My son,
God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
13, And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns:and
Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Burnt offereings were made for remission of SIN. What is SIN? Sin is disobedience to God's WORD and includes breaking God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4). It is God's WORD and his LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20)
Romans 3
19, Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
NOW if GOD tells us that Abraham kept his TORAH (LAWS) then is God's 4th Commandment not part of the TORAH?
Indeed it is. Where does it say in God's WORD that Abraham or any of God's people before MOSES did NOT Keep God's Sabbath?
God says Abraham
kept TORAH (10 Commandments and sin offereings).
You say Abraham
DID NOT keep TORAH (This includes God's 4th Commandment). Who do we believe God or man?
Now if you BELIEVE Abraham did NOT keep God's SABBATH (part of TORAH) then please show the scriptures proving that Abraham did not keep the Sabbath which is part of the TORAH?
God's WORD shows God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the CEREMONIAL laws and ORDINANCES for SIN offerings (TORAH) were kept BEFORE Mt Sinai.
Let's look at God's WORD....
Genesis 26
5,Because that Abraham
obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my
laws.
Genesis 5
24, And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 6
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9, These are the generations of Noah:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
CONCLUSION: God's people before Mt Sinai followed him and kept his laws (TORAH). God's Sabbath is a part of God's law (TORAH). There is NO scripture that says God's people including Abraham did NOT keep God's Sabbath. Genesis shows that God's people including Abraham kept his law (TORAH) which includes the Sabbath.
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God destroys mankind because of sin......
Genesis 6
5, And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIOS HEAT was only
EVIL CONTINUALLY.
6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7, And the LORD said,
I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
What are these CONTINUAL EVIL THOUGHTS?
Matthew 15
19, For out of the heart proceed EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, ADULTERIES, FORNICATION, THEFTS, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES
20, These are the things which
defile a man:
Evil is breaking God's Commandments in thought and actions.
Genesis 6
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9, These are the generations of Noah:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Genesis 8:20 And Noah built an altar to the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and
offered burnt offerings on the altar.
CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). The WORLD was destroyed because of SIN (breaking God's LAW). Noah walked with God and was perfect in God's eyes not destroyed because he and his family did NOT practice sin. Noah followed God's LAW and offered SIN offerings for forgiveness of SIN (TORAH)
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Cain was punished by God for
Murder (6th Commandment Exo 20:13)
Genesis 4
8, And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that
Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9, And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10, And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12, When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13, And Cain said unto the LORD,
My punishment is greater than I can bear.
links to....
1 John 3
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15, Whosoever hateth his brother is a
murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). CAIN was punished for the SIN of MURDER when he slew his brother Abel.
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In Genesis we also read about Joseph in Egypt as a servant being tempted to commit adultery with Potifer’s wife
Genesis 39
7, And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8, But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9,There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back anything from me but thee, because thou art his wife:
how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
If Joseph did NOT know God’s LAW then
how did he know he was SINNING against God by committing adultery with Potifer’s wife?
CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). Joseph knew that to commit ADULTERY (7th Commandment; Exodus 20:14) was SIN against God and refused not to SIN.
..................The Mosaic laws for remission of sin (SACRIFICIAL SIN OFFERINGS) were practiced BEFORE Sinai....
Genesis 4
4, And Abel, he also
brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.
And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.
Genesis 8
20, And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl,
and offered burnt offerings on the altar
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) please read Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:11. God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20) SIN offereings were only practiced in the OLD Covenant for the remission or forgiveness of SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) If God's people did not have God's LAW why are they offering SIN offereings to God if these laws were only known about in Mt Sinai?
Abraham and his son practiced and knew about sin offerings...
Genesis 22
7, And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8, And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Exodus 10
25, And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). From Abel through to Abraham before MOSES we see God's people obeying God's LAW and providing sin offerings to God for breaking his law. If there was no law (TORAH) there would be no sin and no need for sin offerings.
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The Sabbath was also kept by our first parents and also others BEFORE Sinai. The reason God gave the 10 Commandments again was being His people had been slaves in Egypt for 430 years (Exodus 12:40). God delivered his people from Egypt (the World) and needed to re-teach them his ways which were mostly forgotten by this time.
So yep God's LAW and the laws for remission of sin and burnt offerings of the OLD Covenant were indeed practiced BEFORE Sinai.
The Sabbath was made at the 7th Day of the creation week and given to Adam and Eve.
Let's look at the scriptures........
Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
RESTED H7673שָׁבַת shabath (
shaw-ɓath')
v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. Some points to note from the scriptures...............
v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEKLet's now look at God's 4th commandment............
Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested theSEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.
SABBATH H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (
shab-bawth')
n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.[intensive from
H7673]KJV: (+ every) Sabbath. Root(s):
H7673Now who did God make the 7th day a Holy day for? Is he making that day a Holy day for himself? Of course NOT God is already Holy. He has made the day for MANKIND as a HOLY DAY.
Let’s see what Jesus says…………
Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND
STRONGS Greek MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (
an'-thrō-pos)
n.
1. (literally)
man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew)
a clay being (
a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English)
a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from
G435 and ops “the countenance” (from
G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s):
G435,
G3700So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female
So God made the 7th day of the week a HOLY day and blessed it for MAN this now ties in very nicely with the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY.
Jesus says it was made Holy in the creation week for mankind. All scriptures connect and are in harmony. Genesis where God made the Day a HOLY DAY;
God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).
Now if God made the Sabbath for
mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath. The
GREEK Word for
MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (
an'-thrō-pos)
n. is a
clay being (
a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female).
There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve.
Yep God's Sabbath was given to mankind in the Garden of Eden and made in the Creation WEEK. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE it. Those that do not BELIEVE God's Word are UNBELIVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's Kingdom.
DISAGREE? Please show scripture to disprove this post and show where God's word says none before Moses followed God's LAW (TORAH)
The first mention of the Sabbath is Exodus 20:8 - and that is that.
There is absolutely no evidence of Sabbath observance prior to this otherwise YOU would provided the Scriptures, but they simply don't exist.
That is NOT true either GNP the ORIGIN of the Sabbath is in the CREATION WEEK in Genesis 2:1-3 where GOD made the Sabbath for MANKIND which Jesus is the LORD or CREATOR of the SABBATH (Mark 2:27-28).
ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
