God's sovereignity and man's "freedom"...
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Ima answer it bro. God relented of His judgment because them folks in Nineveh repented.
In Jeremiah 18 this is explained clearly. (Notice how its about the potter, yet its completely opposite to the calvinist view of potter's freedom)
Jeremiah 18:6-10
O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
In Jeremiah 18 this is explained clearly. (Notice how its about the potter, yet its completely opposite to the calvinist view of potter's freedom)
Jeremiah 18:6-10
O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
The biggest hit on the omni's of God in john146's and others heretical open theism is its denial of Omnipotence. All other omni's fall like dominoes after this.
Therefore, he absolutely cannot be God, but is instead god.
But with them, that's OK, they have a verse or a few to "prove" their error, never mind the balance of Scripture, or the character and nature of God that is at stake in their false theology, again, they have a verse.
It is all about exalting man and dethroning God, which began in the Garden and continues today.
Therefore, he absolutely cannot be God, but is instead god.
But with them, that's OK, they have a verse or a few to "prove" their error, never mind the balance of Scripture, or the character and nature of God that is at stake in their false theology, again, they have a verse.
It is all about exalting man and dethroning God, which began in the Garden and continues today.
Were you responding to this? I couldn't tell which post to which you are referring:
If so, what I am saying is that if God is not omniscient, then he cannot be omnipotent. Denying the former logically denies the latter.
Thus the open theist attack on God's omniscience renders God as not being "all-powerful" destroying this omnipotence, therefore he cannot be God.
If so, what I am saying is that if God is not omniscient, then he cannot be omnipotent. Denying the former logically denies the latter.
Thus the open theist attack on God's omniscience renders God as not being "all-powerful" destroying this omnipotence, therefore he cannot be God.
dead - nekros - properly, A. one that has breathed his last, lifeless; B. deceased, departed, one whose soul is in heaven or hell; C. destitute of life, without life, inanimate; 2. metaph., A. spiritually dead, 1. destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins; 2. inactive as respects doing right; B. destitute of force or power, inactive, inoperative . . . Bullinger's Lexicon - one dead, a dead person - The Scripture element in the conception of death is a judicial sentence on account of sin - is therefore used of one given over to death even during life. (a judicial sentence on account of sin - the wages of sin is death)
If Ephesians 2:1 is talking about a literal dead "corpse" - we have corpses walking around committing transgressions and sins - zombies????
Yet while we were dead in our transgressions and sins GOD made us alive because of HIS grace toward us, He demonstrated His love toward us in this: while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Because of His grace we are saved THROUGH FAITH (belief/trust) . . . . we are MADE ALIVE, we are MADE RIGHTEOUS and we are given this righteousness THROUGH FAITH (belief/trust) in Jesus Christ to ALL who believe.
It is 100% God . . . preordained, predetermined - those who believe in the only begotten Son of God shall have eternal life, i.e. saved, born again, new creatures, old passed away - SOLELY GOD'S PLAN.
If Ephesians 2:1 is talking about a literal dead "corpse" - we have corpses walking around committing transgressions and sins - zombies????
Yet while we were dead in our transgressions and sins GOD made us alive because of HIS grace toward us, He demonstrated His love toward us in this: while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Because of His grace we are saved THROUGH FAITH (belief/trust) . . . . we are MADE ALIVE, we are MADE RIGHTEOUS and we are given this righteousness THROUGH FAITH (belief/trust) in Jesus Christ to ALL who believe.
It is 100% God . . . preordained, predetermined - those who believe in the only begotten Son of God shall have eternal life, i.e. saved, born again, new creatures, old passed away - SOLELY GOD'S PLAN.
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I'M a born again Calvinist. My wife and I were Missionary "assistant's", (not missionaries), and ministered the Gospel to the Karen mountain tribes in Northern Thailand, for 5yrs. The Pastor who resided with the Karen folks had 10 regular believer's who attended services. God would add I new believer to this small Church, from Buddhist to Christianity, about ,one every two years, some times two on average.
Question, where does this notion of Calvinist belief's; "Make for a lazy bunch of Calvins" How will anyone know they are called by God unless there is a caller who can preach God's word, The Great Commission; "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit", Matthew28:19; "Here I am send me Lord."
God bless you!
Question, where does this notion of Calvinist belief's; "Make for a lazy bunch of Calvins" How will anyone know they are called by God unless there is a caller who can preach God's word, The Great Commission; "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit", Matthew28:19; "Here I am send me Lord."
God bless you!
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Allow Scripture to define God's characteristics. I agree, God is "omniscience". God is omnipotent. But let Scripture define what both mean. Don't use a man-made definition and then place God into that definition.
Job 36:4 For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.
Scripture states that God is perfect in knowledge. But what does that mean? Perfect means complete. God has complete knowledge. If it's knowledge, He knows it. He knows the number of hairs on your head. That's knowledge that can be known by an "omniscient" God. What I have a problem is when people say that all future decisions are knowledge without sharing any Scripture, because in their minds, God has to know all future things or He would be a weak god. That's placing God in our definition.
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Believe me, God knows the end from the beginning. God will make sure all His counsel shall stand. But, does that mean all man's future decisions and man is faced with His word? If you answer yes, support with Scripture.
Job 36:4 For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.
Scripture states that God is perfect in knowledge. But what does that mean? Perfect means complete. God has complete knowledge. If it's knowledge, He knows it. He knows the number of hairs on your head. That's knowledge that can be known by an "omniscient" God. What I have a problem is when people say that all future decisions are knowledge without sharing any Scripture, because in their minds, God has to know all future things or He would be a weak god. That's placing God in our definition.
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Believe me, God knows the end from the beginning. God will make sure all His counsel shall stand. But, does that mean all man's future decisions and man is faced with His word? If you answer yes, support with Scripture.