Gods will vs mans free will

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Magenta

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@Lafftur you can start by studying these Scriptures:

Man is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), full of evil (Mark 7:21-23), loves darkness rather than
light (John 3:19), cannot come to God on his own (John 6:44), does not seek for God
(Romans 3:10-12), is helpless and ungodly (Romans 5:6), nothing good dwells in his flesh
(Romans 7:18), is a slave of sin (Romans 6:20; John 8:34; 2 Timothy 2:26), cannot receive
spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14), is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2:1), is by nature a child
of wrath (Ephesians 2:3), is at enmity with God (Ephesians 2:15), hostile to God and cannot
submit to God's law (Romans 8:7). Therefore we rightfully conclude in accordance with the
conditions described of thenatural man in Scripture that his inherent inclination is to reject
God. Thanks be to God, Who appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48), chooses who is to be
holy and blameless (Ephesians 1:4), predestines us to adoption (Ephesians 1:5), calls according
to His purpose (2 Timothy 1:9), chooses us for salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13), leads us to
and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4; 2 Timothy 2:24-25), grants the act of believing
(Philippians 1:29), works faith in the believer (John 6:28-29), causes us to be born again
(1 Peter 1:3), born again not by our will but by His will (John 1:12-13), draws people to Himself
(John 6:44), grants that we come to Jesus (John 6:65), predestines us to salvation (Romans 8:29-
30), and circumcises our heart (Romans 2:29), all according to His purpose (Ephesians 1:11).


I gave them to you already but you said nothing about them. You ought to look at them.
There are more, too. Those are just the ones that are currently on my panel (Post #317)...
 

PennEd

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Jesus Christ did NOT rescue me, He gave me a choice. I chose Him, LIFE.
Really bad theology here at best, and heretical at worst.

You in essence rescued yourself because you were smarter or just a better person than those that reject Him?
 

gb9

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Really bad theology here at best, and heretical at worst.

You in essence rescued yourself because you were smarter or just a better person than those that reject Him?
.. not by works of righteousness we have done, but because of His mercy, He saved us...
 

Magenta

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Really bad theology here at best, and heretical at worst.

You in essence rescued yourself because you were smarter or just a better person than those that reject Him?
.. not by works of righteousness we have done, but because of His mercy, He saved us...
Apparently, according to some, Jesus does not save.

:cry: