Grace alone or grace plus works?

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Is salvation by Grace alone?

  • Salvation Is by Grace alone through faith.

    Votes: 42 87.5%
  • Salvation Is by Grace through faith plus works

    Votes: 6 12.5%

  • Total voters
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true answer to both is yes.

i dont know anyone who is truly saved whos life didnt change. u expect me to believe that the Holy Ghost wont change someones life at all? i dont believe it. all the saved i know are changed.
what works did Abraham do BEFORE GOD accounted It as righteousness?
 
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what works did Abraham do BEFORE GOD accounted It as righteousness?
BTW,I'm not talking about purifying yourself even as you are pure ,I'm talking about GOD does not need to see your faith IN ACTION ,man needs to see your faith In action.
 
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BTW,If faith without works Is dead to GOD,then the theif on the cross was not saved,he didn't do any works and JESUS told him that today you will be WITH ME In paradise.
 
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what works did Abraham do BEFORE GOD accounted It as righteousness?
Um, like left his country to follow God in obedience:

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
Gen 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
 
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BTW,If faith without works Is dead to GOD,then the theif on the cross was not saved,he didn't do any works and JESUS told him that today you will be WITH ME In paradise.
Actually, he did a lot of things on that cross that showed forth repentance and that God had regenerated him, thus he offered an apologetic of the Christ.
 

Laish

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BTW,If faith without works Is dead to GOD,then the theif on the cross was not saved,he didn't do any works and JESUS told him that today you will be WITH ME In paradise.
I am in no way a works guy . I wonder are the thieves last words spoken proclaiming aloud that Jesus is king a work ?
That has me thinking about this example . There are many other references in scripture showing that it’s faith that saves and not works though .
Blessings
Bill
 

1ofthem

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BTW,If faith without works Is dead to GOD,then the theif on the cross was not saved,he didn't do any works and JESUS told him that today you will be WITH ME In paradise.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Didn't the thief have the work of God within him? I think it is plain that he believed that Jesus was the Christ.
Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

No, he didn't have time to grow and bear fruit for the Lord, but he did have the work of God within him.

I don't think we do any works of God through ourselves, it is only through the grace of God and him working within us.
 
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Actually, he did a lot of things on that cross that showed forth repentance and that God had regenerated him, thus he offered an apologetic of the Christ.
Oh, and by the way, all this was done by the thief before our LORD said today he would be with him in paradise...
 
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I am in no way a works guy . I wonder are the thieves last words spoken proclaiming aloud that Jesus is king a work ?
That has me thinking about this example . There are many other references in scripture showing that it’s faith that saves and not works though .
Blessings
Bill
That's why I only gave two options to choose from so that people wouldn't try to straddle the fence,some are works minded but they don't know It.
 
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It's because I believe Scripture. No evidence of conversion = no conversion.
I'm not talking about purifying yourself even as you are pure.
I'm talking about are you saved by Grace through faith or are you saved by doing something extra?
 
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John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Didn't the thief have the work of God within him? I think it is plain that he believed that Jesus was the Christ.
Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

No, he didn't have time to grow and bear fruit for the Lord, but he did have the work of God within him.

I don't think we do any works of God through ourselves, it is only through the grace of God and him working within us.
GOD Is a Spirit what physical thing can anyone do that GOD will accept.The words JESUS spoke are Spirit and Life so then of course the works GOD Is talking about would be Spiritual as In the work of GOD Is to believe the one he sent.
 

Bladerunner

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A!though that Is most defiantly correct what you posted right there I only gave two options so no one could sit on the fence so to speak.

Either give GOD ALL the credit or say that your works help GOD...

God needs nothing or nobody to have a person saved. We see this in countries where no-one can reach to evangilize them (i.e China, IRAN, etc. )

BUT he uses us to interact with the newly saved to include us in HIS plans.

That is one reason why---Grace From God by Faith alone. He needs no works from us for anything.

 

DJ2

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God needs nothing or nobody to have a person saved. We see this in countries where no-one can reach to evangilize them (i.e China, IRAN, etc. )

BUT he uses us to interact with the newly saved to include us in HIS plans.

That is one reason why---Grace From God by Faith alone. He needs no works from us for anything.

That is one reason why---Grace From God by Faith alone. He needs no works from us for anything.

Is God's grace not enough? Must the "by Faith" be added to the grace?
 

DJ2

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That's why I only gave two options to choose from so that people wouldn't try to straddle the fence,some are works minded but they don't know It.
How could someone truly be works minded and not know it?
 

DJ2

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Can we please get a consensus on what a "work" means.