Grace is Unmerited Favor. Where's that in the Bible?

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Karraster

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What if Grace is something more

an action, like love or hatred.

Calm, cool, patient, never over reacting, Just, forgiving, All knowing
A display of his character

This would seem to draw us toward him.

I like in the definition:
A virtue coming from God
Virtue is a particular moral excellence, an order of the angels
Everything in order
A time for everything and executing everything at the perfect time.

That seems graceful to me.
That's beautiful brother. I'll be thinking on that today.:) When one is in His perfect will it shows. Love is the goal, and to be love where there is none.:) Orderly, perfect, loving, full of grace..beautiful.
 

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This phrase "grace is unmerited favor" is used continuously here in the forums, I've yet to find it in my Bible.
And there goes "grace."

So now we have no atonement and no grace.

Try the Hebrew meaning of chen
as used in 1Sa, 1:18, 20:3; 2Sa 16:4; Est 2:17, etc., etc., etc.,
for its meaning as "favor"

and its use in the NT for its meaning as "unmerited,"
as used for example in Ro 3:24; Eph 2:8-9.
 
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JesusIsAll

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G-R-A-C-E, "God's Riches At Christ's Expense." (Adrian Rogers said that. Should have been in the Bible, almost...)
 
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JesusIsAll

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Anyway, as to grace, what favor does sinful man, too depraved to even seek after Holy God, merit? What merit, then, I'd ask.
 
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For by grace are ye saved through faith and not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8,9

Salvation is given by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - salvation is the gift of God. Salvation is only by faith in Jesus Christ. After we receive salvation, our faith will produce works. And even then it is God working in us to will and to do of his good pleasure. [Phil. 2:13] And we are confident that he which has begun a good work in us will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. [Phil. 1:6]
That is incorrect.

You are viewing salvation in the context of a package you receive instead of being the result of an active dynamic which produces a manifest result.

In other words you perceive salvation as reaching a destination without using the engine in your car to get there.

When Paul says we are "saved by grace through faith" he is speaking of the "working dynamic" that produces a genuine salvation. He is not speaking of some package which God gives you because you accept it.

The grace of God that brings salvation is this...

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

In other words this grace is God's divine influence upon our heart, it is the leading of God drawing us. If you look up the Greek definition of grace you will find listed "divine influence upon the heart."

Now faith is when we yield wholeheartedly yield to that divine influence upon the heart (Jesus taught we must be DOERS and not only hearers). That is why faith in Hebrews 11 is connected to action, by faith Abraham left his abode, by faith Noah built the Ark. In other words faith is where we wholeheartedly trust in God and therefore yield to His instruction, we become DOERS of the word.

It is through the active dynamic of "grace THROUGH faith" that the salvation of the soul is wrought. If this dynamic does not exist then faith is received in vain. That is why Paul wrote...

2Co 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

There must be a "working together with God" in order to be "made the righteousness of God in Him."

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

The false teachers have removed this dynamic from the Gospel and thus preach the perception of salvation absent the means to get there. Thus salvation is twisted into being purely forensic or positional. Thus salvation is twisted to be inclusive of ongoing iniquity within the heart.

Paul spoke of grace in...

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The quickening is key, for that is the washing of regeneration by the Spirit of God whereby we are made alive to God once more. It involves a total transformation from darkness to light.

Very few people are being quickened today because biblical repentance has been subverted. People do not crucify their old man in repentance and thus the rebellion never ceases and therefore they never exercise true faith, thus they cannot be saved by grace through faith. Instead they are deceived into believing that faith is just trust and that grace is the free gift, if they therefore trust in the free gift and accept it they think they are saved. It's a deception because NOTHING has changed in the heart.

Now I am sure most people will not want to take very seriously what I have written but I would warn you to seriously think about it. When one is deceived they do not know it and that is why deception works. If you are deceived you will not know it and the wall to break through that deception is often very difficult.

Think about it please.
 

Elin

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Grace simply means to show favor. That favor could be merited or not merited, however,
to define grace as unmerited favor in my opinion is error.
Not if you know the Scriptures.

I think the unmerited favor definition is simply a product of the easy believism gospel that's preached today.
No, it's the product of the NT in, for example, Ro 3:24; Eph 2:8-9.

It is contrasted
with debt (Ro 4:4, 16),
with works (Ro 11:6) and
with law (Jn 1:17; Ro 6:14-15; Gal 5:4)
where the meaning is clearly seen in that God's favor by law is according to merit,
in contrast to his favor by grace which is free through faith.
 
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psychomom

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God's grace and obedience are inherently linked
because...well, God is gracious. :)

Pretty much every time you see a command in the NT, it is closely linked with Grace.
God, when He gives a Gospel imperative (do this),
always reminds us of what we have been given in the Gospel.

because you have been given the Gospel of Grace,
therefore you are able to do these things.

let's be careful not to put the cart before the horse. :)
we do not 'do' to receive grace...

we do because we have been given grace.

Col. 2:6-7
Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.


just one example from this morning's reading.
 

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Every good gift we have from God is a result of His grace on account of Jesus Christ.
Can someone list a biblical example where grace is merited (earned)?...sounds like an oxymoron to me.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Every good gift we have from God is a result of His grace on account of Jesus Christ.
Can someone list a biblical example where grace is merited (earned)?...sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Some could see even oxymoron without the oxy. But that wouldn't be Christ-like. Let's stick with it sounding a bit like "hypocrites," "blind guides," perhaps like something that may come out of the white-washed graves of a generation of vipers.
 

Elin

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This is exactly what seems to be the case as I look further into it.
Mercy, could be considered as always unmerited,
Not necessarily.

The punishment due me for breaking the law may be removed,
mercy granted by the Court because of some past service, etc. w
hich the Court deems meritoriously off-setting.

grace seems to go hand in hand with obedience, and
sometimes unmerited
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You don't get it. . .we don't merit anything from God.

God is debtor to no man (Ro 11:35).

Looking at grace as only "unmerited favor" could be dangerous, because it
leads one to believe they are special/privileged
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and from that standpoint they do not grow in heart knowledge,
therefore it is become a stumbling block, or stunts their growth
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That is the pure horse-hockey of unspiritual human wisdom and foolish finite reasoning.

Grace is any gift of God, from faith to eternal life to the power to obey.

And we don't merit any of it (Ro 11:35).


 
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JesusIsAll

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And we don't merit any of it (Ro 11:35).
So, yer' sayin' I bought them Kosher dills fer nothin'? They was 40 cent more!
 

crossnote

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Some could see even oxymoron without the oxy. But that wouldn't be Christ-like. Let's stick with it sounding a bit like "hypocrites," "blind guides," perhaps like something that may come out of the white-washed graves of a generation of vipers.
i know,

the poet's poetry

often overtakes the poet

and lands him in deep water :)
 
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JesusIsAll

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i know,the poet's poetryoften overtakes the poetand lands him in deep water :)
Alas,

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Man don't like scripture,
Ain't much I can do.
 

Elin

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My question is this:

If God extends His salvational grace to them that obey Him--
how does that fit with faith alone theology
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We can never obey God perfectly enough to merit his favor.

His favor is free (grace) to us, or we don't have any favor.

That he graciously responds to those who obey him is just that--grace, and not because he owes them favor.

For God is debtor to no man (Ro 11:35).
 
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Angelique

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So, yer' sayin' I bought them Kosher dills fer nothin'? They was 40 cent more!
You eat kosher dills??.. eww. Im appalled and you paid extra??..thats what ya get for having no taste
 
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JesusIsAll

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You eat kosher dills??.. eww. Im appalled and you paid extra??..thats what ya get for having no taste
Jes' impressin' God with mah wurks, don' ya' know? You on ta' sumthin', tho, pert near worse th'n devil's store brand, I reckin'...
 
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Angelique

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Jes' impressin' God with mah wurks, don' ya' know? You on ta' sumthin', tho, pert near worse th'n devil's store brand, I reckin'...
Lol...is that english???...haha. well ya need ta go back to the drawing board with ya works...that one needs a lil ummm work. :)
 
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JesusIsAll

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Lol...is that english???...haha. well ya need ta go back to the drawing board with ya works...that one needs a lil ummm work. :)
Mercy, hain't no Inglish! Jes' goood 'Merican! Stop insulteratin' me!