Has anyone had any luck going into stores wearing a "breathable mask?"

[Absolutely]

Is he a scientist?

Experts agree. The mask thingy is political,no science involved.

From the guardian;
""Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading, said the report “falls short of delivering new evidence and too casually dismisses precautionary principle when addressing the possibility that masks and coverings could have negative effects on people’s behaviours”.

He added: “Until more evidence is delivered in either direction, that’s all advice can be based on – opinions.”

Dr Ben Killingley, consultant in acute medicine and infectious diseases at University College London hospital, was also critical.

“The report is overly optimistic about the value of face coverings and it is incorrect to conclude that the evidence shows that face covering can reduce viral transmission in the community,” he said. “There is in fact no good evidence that face coverings achieve this.”

Killingley added that the report largely ignored real-world data, which suggests low effectiveness, albeit for protection of the wearer.""

Masks are all about politics and opinions.
Science is currently as skewed as evolution is with "science" and "scientists"

Tons of opinion....very little science.

 

[Absolutely]

you use vinegar tho no one 'in Bible times' cleaned with it -- but you are justifying disobeying laws about masks because 'no one in Bible times' wore them for cleanliness.

doesn't that seem incongruous?

It was used in Rome as a cleaner/disinfectant.

So I would say you didn't check your info.

 

[posthuman]

It was used in Rome as a cleaner/disinfectant.

So I would say you didn't check your info.

so it's pagan, you're saying?
which verse says it's for disinfecting?

what i said was in the context of replying to someone who was emphasizing that in the Torah simple water, alone, was specified for cleansing things. the same person is using the argument to say complying with local laws requiring temporary mask use is antithetical to Biblical Christianity because they aren't aware of any direct citations in the Bible prescribing covering ones face while ill.

the Bible tells of strict cleanliness habits the Israelite priests used in Old Testament times. Using simple water.

so maybe you didn't check to comprehend the conversation you are replying to.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Tons of opinion....very little science.

Most people may not be aware that science -- which is supposed to be neutral and factual -- has in fact been corrupted and politicized. Especially medical science regarding vaccines and viruses. Particularly the Wuhan virus.

The Lancet was at one time a respected medical journal. Earlier this year it had to withdraw an article related to COVID because it was essentially a political piece rather than strict science.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues

New Delhi: The Lancet, one of the world’s most prominent medical journals, Thursday retracted an important study that linked the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to higher risk of death and irregular heart rhythms in Covid-19 patients.

The study, which had prompted even the World Health Organization (WHO) to pause HCQ clinical trials in Covid-19 patients last month under its giant ‘solidarity trial’, has been questioned for parsing through data in lesser-than-usual time, and has faced allegations of data fabrication too.

https://theprint.in/science/lancet-...-higher-covid-deaths-over-data-issues/435971/

This was a blatant attack on HCQ, which has been under attack by all the public health officials as well as the Leftist media. Why? Because (1) it is cheap, (2) it is effective, (3) it could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and (4) last but not least, it could have effectively overturned the whole pandemic fear-mongering narrative, had it been freely available at NO COST to the general public.

Also, since billions of dollars are involved in the cures and vaccines for flus and other viruses, it should be understood that money itself will corrupt those who are supposed to have taken a Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.

 

[gb9]

Most people may not be aware that science -- which is supposed to be neutral and factual -- has in fact been corrupted and politicized. Especially medical science regarding vaccines and viruses. Particularly the Wuhan virus.

The Lancet was at one time a respected medical journal. Earlier this year it had to withdraw an article related to COVID because it was essentially a political piece rather than strict science.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues

New Delhi: The Lancet, one of the world’s most prominent medical journals, Thursday retracted an important study that linked the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to higher risk of death and irregular heart rhythms in Covid-19 patients.

The study, which had prompted even the World Health Organization (WHO) to pause HCQ clinical trials in Covid-19 patients last month under its giant ‘solidarity trial’, has been questioned for parsing through data in lesser-than-usual time, and has faced allegations of data fabrication too.

https://theprint.in/science/lancet-...-higher-covid-deaths-over-data-issues/435971/

This was a blatant attack on HCQ, which has been under attack by all the public health officials as well as the Leftist media. Why? Because (1) it is cheap, (2) it is effective, (3) it could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and (4) last but not least, it could have effectively overturned the whole pandemic fear-mongering narrative, had it been freely available at NO COST to the general public.

Also, since billions of dollars are involved in the cures and vaccines for flus and other viruses, it should be understood that money itself will corrupt those who are supposed to have taken a Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.

also keep in mind that here in america, the hospitals were financially incentivized to report covid cases, as they get about $10,000 of federal bailout money for each patent they have.

this was done in early april.

 

[14meatcc]

then disease & viruses etc existed in the garden and on earth before sin entered the world?

I am not qualified or intelligent enough to answer that question. Sorry.

 

[Absolutely]

so it's pagan, you're saying?
which verse says it's for disinfecting?

what i said was in the context of replying to someone who was emphasizing that in the Torah simple water, alone, was specified for cleansing things. the same person is using the argument to say complying with local laws requiring temporary mask use is antithetical to Biblical Christianity because they aren't aware of any direct citations in the Bible prescribing covering ones face while ill.



so maybe you didn't check to comprehend the conversation you are replying to.

Could be
I dunno

 

[Absolutely]

i have little concern about getting covid.

first , i work outside a lot, i live in the southern u.s. so i get lots of natural vitamin d.

second, i take extra zinc, with is anti-viral.

i take garlic extract, and lots of other immune system boosters.

fourth, in order to get covid, you have to have extended contact with someone who has it.

so, since these facts are facts, i have little concern of contracting covid.

""i take garlic extract, and lots of other immune system boosters""
That tells me you are not a "kisser" lol

Just joking dude

 

[3angelsmsg]

This is pure conjecture

This does not answer what I asked about the nature of viruses.

You are looking at the effects and not at the cause/root of disease. The whole virus is build in the evolution model and I don't have much insight. But the virus is not the cause for why people are getting sick. People get sick because of ignorance of God’s law and sin. People are to afraid to call sin by its name.

 

[Absolutely]

Most people may not be aware that science -- which is supposed to be neutral and factual -- has in fact been corrupted and politicized. Especially medical science regarding vaccines and viruses. Particularly the Wuhan virus.

The Lancet was at one time a respected medical journal. Earlier this year it had to withdraw an article related to COVID because it was essentially a political piece rather than strict science.

Lancet withdraws controversial study linking HCQ to higher Covid death risk over data issues

New Delhi: The Lancet, one of the world’s most prominent medical journals, Thursday retracted an important study that linked the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to higher risk of death and irregular heart rhythms in Covid-19 patients.

The study, which had prompted even the World Health Organization (WHO) to pause HCQ clinical trials in Covid-19 patients last month under its giant ‘solidarity trial’, has been questioned for parsing through data in lesser-than-usual time, and has faced allegations of data fabrication too.

https://theprint.in/science/lancet-...-higher-covid-deaths-over-data-issues/435971/

This was a blatant attack on HCQ, which has been under attack by all the public health officials as well as the Leftist media. Why? Because (1) it is cheap, (2) it is effective, (3) it could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and (4) last but not least, it could have effectively overturned the whole pandemic fear-mongering narrative, had it been freely available at NO COST to the general public.

Also, since billions of dollars are involved in the cures and vaccines for flus and other viruses, it should be understood that money itself will corrupt those who are supposed to have taken a Hippocratic Oath to do no harm.

Yep it is "skewed science" which is no science

 

[posthuman]

I am not qualified or intelligent enough to answer that question. Sorry.

well if you take the position that Adam was created with an immune system -- which you did feel qualified to assert, even that he had an amazingly great one to help him be immortal -- presumably that means the immune system is like, functioning and there for a reason. that reason is disease, sickness, viruses, bacteria, plagues, rot and decay.

so if you say Adam was born with an immune system, then don't you imply that death and disease were part of the unfallen creation called "very good" ?
either that or that he had one in anticipation of death and decay and deterioration through bacteria and viruses -- as tho sinless Adam on sinless Earth was created with a defense system designed to live in an world poisoned by sin.

 

[posthuman]

You are looking at the effects and not at the cause of disease/root.

was Adam created with an immune system?

do you agree that bacteria & viruses exist?
were bacteria & viruses part of the original unfallen creation?

 

[3angelsmsg]

was Adam created with an immune system?

do you agree that bacteria & viruses exist?
were bacteria & viruses part of the original unfallen creation?

Yes. Definitely was Adam created with body (chemistry). I agree that bacteria, viruses and fungus exist. And to comment on whether viruses, bacteria and fungus was there before the fall, I am sure. But if I was push for an answer. And if I evaluate according to the fundamental law, I would say yes. Because my belief is that disease comes from inside. Disease doesn't not come from outside the body. Jesus many times said that what defiles a man is not what he put in his body like eating. That will leave the body again. But he spoke of the evil in the heart that comes out of the heart that defiles the man. So nothing from outside makes a person sick. It is our evil heart that needs to be cleansed.

 

[gb9]

Yep it is "skewed science" which is no science

*garlic extract pill.

no odor. should have been more clear about that , not taking straight vampire repellent....

 

[Mii]

was Adam created with an immune system?

do you agree that bacteria & viruses exist?
were bacteria & viruses part of the original unfallen creation?

Ironically this is a very neat question that fits the forum.

As I don't know if animals and plants were "immortal" I can't say either way. It could be that a perfect immune system was the design against viruses and disease and they serve a purpose with regard to overpopulation in animals/other life.

I mean there are diseases that only exist in trees aren't there? Presumably in animals only as well, although I guess you can be affected by rabies.

Interesting. I presume that plants were eaten if pre-fall Adam & Eve were vegetarians. A diet of nuts, berries, vegetables, fruits and all the organic compounds in nature sans animals seems like it'd be enough and I first came across that concept on CC but who knows.

If they ate plants, they noticed the death of the plants. Were there seasons? Was there autumn and winter? Even if perpetual summer, leaves fall in my world. Could be that they were perfect but it is difficult to conceptualize due to the way a healthy tree remains healthy today.

Presumably birds still spread seeds don't you all think? Or maybe they only fed on the bugs that are pests to trees and everything grew in its place and there was no error. Or is the organic chaos that is nature without error still? It is only us that sinned. The animals, the trees, etc didn't sin so why would they by default be fallen also?

The ground was cursed and labor pains were given but the labor system was already there and other than some inhospitality of the ground, was everything else affected. Is there were medicines came from?



Idk cool question. Brings up many questions for me that typically I avoid as fruitless because we aren't told but it is fun to think about at times

 

[EleventhHour]

You are looking at the effects and not at the cause/root of disease. The whole virus is build in the evolution model and I don't have much insight. But the virus is not the cause for why people are getting sick. People get sick because of ignorance of God’s law and sin. People are to afraid to call sin by its name.

Interesting how so many lawless and very sinful people live a long time.
But if you say so.

 

[posthuman]

Yes. Definitely was Adam created with body (chemistry). I agree that bacteria, viruses and fungus exist. And to comment on whether viruses, bacteria and fungus was there before the fall, I am sure. But if I was push for an answer. And if I evaluate according to the fundamental law, I would say yes. Because my belief is that disease comes from inside. Disease doesn't not come from outside the body. Jesus many times said that what defiles a man is not what he put in his body like eating. That will leave the body again. But he spoke of the evil in the heart that comes out of the heart that defiles the man. So nothing from outside makes a person sick. It is our evil heart that needs to be cleansed.

if Adam was created 'very good' with a system of defense against the disease and disease originates with sin in a mans heart then sinless 'very good' original unfallen Adam was made with defilement inside him and a means to temporarily mitigate the effects of that defilement - death.

i.e. Adam was made with death and created to die, and given a physio-chemical system to mask the death inside him and make it look like life.

"the lie of Satan" is that God brought us only in order to murder us, our children and our animals. Exodus 17:3, Genesis 3:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

what's unfallen Adam doing with a built-in temporary mitigation of death system? did God create Adam only for him to slowly die from decay brought on by infectious sickness? was it God's purpose to place Adam in an environment full of creatures whose entire existence depends on destroying the bodies of living souls?

 

[EleventhHour]

if Adam was created 'very good' with a system of defense against the disease and disease originates with sin in a mans heart then sinless 'very good' original unfallen Adam was made with defilement inside him and a means to temporarily mitigate the effects of that defilement - death.

i.e. Adam was made with death and created to die, and given a physio-chemical system to mask the death inside him and make it look like life.

"the lie of Satan" is that God brought us only in order to murder us, our children and our animals. Exodus 17:3, Genesis 3:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:11

what's unfallen Adam doing with a built-in temporary mitigation of death system? did God create Adam only for him to slowly die from decay brought on by infectious sickness? was it God's purpose to place Adam in an environment full of creatures whose entire existence depends on destroying the bodies of living souls?

Agree, Adam did not have nor need an immune system.

A disharmony entered the body.. the bacteria in our body is a war with each other.

There are some completely benign bacteria...... L. Acidophilus being one.

 

[posthuman]

Ironically this is a very neat question that fits the forum.

As I don't know if animals and plants were "immortal" I can't say either way. It could be that a perfect immune system was the design against viruses and disease and they serve a purpose with regard to overpopulation in animals/other life.

I mean there are diseases that only exist in trees aren't there? Presumably in animals only as well, although I guess you can be affected by rabies.

Interesting. I presume that plants were eaten if pre-fall Adam & Eve were vegetarians. A diet of nuts, berries, vegetables, fruits and all the organic compounds in nature sans animals seems like it'd be enough and I first came across that concept on CC but who knows.

If they ate plants, they noticed the death of the plants. Were there seasons? Was there autumn and winter? Even if perpetual summer, leaves fall in my world. Could be that they were perfect but it is difficult to conceptualize due to the way a healthy tree remains healthy today.

Presumably birds still spread seeds don't you all think? Or maybe they only fed on the bugs that are pests to trees and everything grew in its place and there was no error. Or is the organic chaos that is nature without error still? It is only us that sinned. The animals, the trees, etc didn't sin so why would they by default be fallen also?

The ground was cursed and labor pains were given but the labor system was already there and other than some inhospitality of the ground, was everything else affected. Is there were medicines came from?



Idk cool question. Brings up many questions for me that typically I avoid as fruitless because we aren't told but it is fun to think about at times

yay! glad you find it interesting as i do
it's a question my pastor brought up a couple times over the last few months of sermons but never answered

Agree, Adam did not have nor need an immune system.

A disharmony entered the body.. the bacteria in our body is a war with each other.

There are some completely benign bacteria...... L. Acidophilus being one.

does this make an immune system like grace -- did Adam develop it when he was given garments?

 

[posthuman]

you think viruses don't exist?

Not as you know them.

how do you assume i know them, and what do you think is different about reality?