Has the gift of speaking in tongues ceased? - Tim Conway

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miknik5

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And so if they say to tou
here is the Christ or there is the Christ

do not go out

for where the carcass is there also will the vultures be

if we are in HIM
There is no need to "go out" from HIM
to any other

and any other professing hey, the Christ, the christ

those in HIM should already recognize these as false witnesses
 
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It sounds like you imagine church meetings with two people. One person speaks in tongues and either that person or another person interprets so the church can be edified. If the speaker in tongues sees there is no interpreter, he is to be silent in the congregation and to speak to himself and to God.
Its takes two to have one conversation. The number two represents the church Christ's bride. One person speaks God gives them the interpretation of what the prophecy said, and the other speaks and God interprets it so the two can carry out a conversation involving the thoughts of God (prophecy). If the speaker that speaks in his own language says words but God does not give His interpretation then the whole Church should be silent or a person is just speaking to hear himself. No such thing a self edification which at the most could produce false pride

They are fruits of the unseen Spirit of Christ, called fruits of the eternal Spirit His not ours of the temporal . Only God can see into the heart of all men. We are not to judge by outward appearances. It was the cause of the fall. We walk by faith the unseen according to the prescription for rightly dividing His word of truth.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


Signs are designed for those who have no faith,(the rebels) prophecy for those who do have faith. Christ said it’s a evil generation….. the generation of Adam as in natural unconverted men that does seek after a sign before they believe. .The last sign the sign of Jonas was given and fulfilled.

You still seem very confused about what it means to walk by faith and not by sight. That instruction of Paul's does not contradict his own miracle working, his own life that demonstrated the fruit of the Spirit, the miracles the apostles did, or the fruit they bore. There was plenty of evidence for the work of their Spirit in their life. I Corinthians 12 even speaks of the 'manifestation' of the Spirit.

It would semm you are turning things upside as if the things of God were of men and those of men were of God. Walking by faith the unseen eternal) is understanding according to the things not seen.... not the things seen

He demonstrated the fruit of His Spirit, not Paul’s own fruit as if Paul caused the growth and the miracle was attributed to Paul seen and not God the unseen . .

They were miracles God performed as the Sprit of Christ worked in Paul to both will and perform his good pleasure. If we would attribute that work to Paul or any sent one (apostle) we have already committed blaspheme which is attributing the work of one to another…. sort of like plagiarism. It’s the result of men turning things upside down as if the work say of him that made it, said He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? In that way we are to have no gods before him .That kind of ideology would violate the first commandment.

The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, (a sign of blasphemy)and ran in among the people, crying out,(Blashphemy)Acts 14





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I do not know what you are trying to say here. You apparently use 'edify' in a different way from the way I understand the word, or your statement is false. Ephesians 4 speaks of various ministers being given to equip the saints. The NIV of Ephesians 4:12 puts it this way,
12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

Your statement also goes against the body teaching in I Corinthians 12. The grace of God works through one member of the body to edify another, who is edified to do the work

Christ, wants Him to do. God works through people to minister to others.
A work accredited to God not the flesh of men. Chrsit equips us with the His armor with it we defend His faith that works in us it does provide the armor it is not of us lest any man boast and desire to be edified.


Yes so that the body in which "Christ" causes the growth that can built up by the word of God. We do not edify each other for the work he works in us. It’s what the Catholics perform…. they call it venerate which is simply a form of worship. There is no outward work we could perform as evidence of the Holy Spirit. Again it’s the fruit of His eternal Spirit not the fruit of our temporal flesh. We walk by faith, the unseen, not by sight as that seen . Walking/understanding by sight caused the fall in the beginning.

God is not a man as us. Why people attempt to make him into a man tells something?