Has the law been put aside? If so, when?

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Shemuel-Yerimiyahu

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I don't know why people put their personal agendas into scripture and then state it as fact.

Its not a fact. Its a wish. Its an inference not based on fact but on will.

We all want to fill in the blanks that are not described or not listed as fact but to do so in our own imagination and then state that imagination as biblical fact is just wrong.

I think that's why we have such strong discussions sometimes.
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I have no agendas if you are referring to me here. I only wish to share truth and peace, and gain wisdom along the way. Which I’m sure is your aim also. I’m sure your aim is never to insult or try to tear down but rather one of peaceful discussion seeking truth as well.
 
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Shemuel-Yerimiyahu said:
I have no agendas if you are referring to me here. I only wish to share truth and peace, and gain wisdom along the way. Which I’m sure is your aim also. I’m sure your aim is never to insult or try to tear down but rather one of peaceful discussion seeking truth as well.
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I agree with you on the clean meat ordinances which I believe were given to Adam to be passed down to his descendants. I think you are reading too much into scripture to say that there were no carnivores prior to the fall of man. The green plant feeds all, but in the carnivores case it does so indirectly.

I do not think God meant for us to be vegetarians at any time. My basis for this is the Passover lamb. It was not optional whether they ate the lamb. It was compulsory, everyone had to eat it. :cool:
 
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Shemuel-Yerimiyahu

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Deade said:
I agree with you on the clean meat ordinances which I believe were given to Adam to be passed down to his descendants. I think you are reading too much into scripture to say that there were no carnivores prior to the fall of man. The green plant feeds all, but in the carnivores case it does so indirectly.

I do not think God meant for us to be vegetarians at any time. My basis for this is the Passover lamb. It was not optional whether they ate the lamb. It was compulsory, everyone had to eat it. :cool:
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Def in agreement, He doesn’t call us to be vegetarians as he does put out the edict to eat the Passover lamb, and made a distinction of clean vs unclean meats. In the Noah situation I was saying that there was a time where everything had to be replenished on the Earth, and so it made sense how the Hebrew words read. But that Yahweh (God) does not say thou mayest never eat again. Thank you for the insights :)
 
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Shemuel-Yerimiyahu said:
I never stated they were to be vegetarians for all time. I have stated with peace always, that they were to give time to allow all creatures human and not human to be fruitful and multiply. Has anyone read my post detailing the gestation period of animals, can you explain to me how if they were to eat a pig male or female (there were only two) how that species survived, or any of them for that matter because due to gestation periods and length of time that would be needed for new babes to mature, it makes no sense in my mind to eat animals until they have replenished the earth with enough of themselves in order to become food for mankind. I believe and have shown what the Hebrew states that Yahweh (God) was saying abstain all creatures, not just humans were to eat green, and the 4th verse when I showed what the Hebrew states says “indeed don’t eat flesh and soul” so in other words, read in how it was meant to be read it says in those two verses “ all living creatures eat green herbs bestowed. Indeed do not eat flesh and soul.” So verse 4 is a continuation of verse 3. Now this was not commanded to be done forever as in those laws and commands Yahweh always says “throughout your generations.” There not a statement like that here so we know it isn’t a forever thing. ..... as I have done, and been open minded and tried to see it how you have seen it, please just try to see what the words say and also think about how the animals would survive if they were being eaten by humans and also fighting off thier natural predators.

One more note the “given into your hand” statement has nothing to do with food. Yahweh states this statement again to the Israelites when he repeatedly tells them “your enemies are given to your hand” does this mean they were to eat them? Just food for thought.

I would like to also state again that I have not and will not state that Yahweh has asked us to be vegetarians for all time. I also believe the scriptures to be beautiful and this is how I have understood them, but if you don’t see it this way then I wish you well, if you see it this way, then I wish you well.... my point is I wish you well no matter and we don’t have to agree.
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Do you believe we should be vegetarian NOW?

i hope not. Because:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
 
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Shemuel-Yerimiyahu

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Hevosmies said:
Do you believe we should be vegetarian NOW?

i hope not. Because:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
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I don’t know if you are saying I’m professing a wicked doctrine of demons, but I assure you I am not. And if you are saying that, I would caution as that is a huge accusation. I do not think we are to be vegetarians. I think meat is good, and acceptable, and does not go against scripture. My only point was sharing what I had read in Scripture in Hebrew and found interesting and fitting for the time that they had come off the ark and needing to replenish the earth so that there would eventually be an abundant amount of meat for humans to consume. Please slow down, read my words, and see that I never said that we are suppose to be vegetarians nor did I say Yahweh (God) commanded for us to be vegetarians everlasting. I understand you are passionate and that is good, be on fire for our God, but also please take time to see what I have actually written and not twist it to something I did not. Not that that was your intention, but it seems like what I have stated has been taken the wrong way and not read for what the words simply and directly state. I am not here to convert anyone to a new way of thinking, only sharing what I have read and seen in my own study, and would never claim to know or judge anyone’s heart.
 
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