Has the second coming occurred already?

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Jimbone

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Not really can you explain more?
It should have went like this
You:
i Don’t have to be there, I just have to read history

every eye did not see him coming in the clouds and every nation did not cower in fear

the jews rejected him because they thought they were already saved, that was the root cause of their error. They also missed the mystery, that sin had to be taken care of first before any kingdom could be had.

the OT says he will have a kingdom, I would trust it to be true, and not make it something else

Me:
By the way, where does (Jesus) it say that all of them will see it all at the same time, or even in time? Why do you get to "have the truth". Maybe when we die we pass outside of time and therefore do see Him "then". You('re) read(ing) too much into the text man. (in my opinion)
 

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I noticed some apologists use this as Jesus words were true that some would not see death until His second coming. The 40 prothetic terminology. I can see how that is applicable, but there other things that aren’t included such as; worldly events, the entire world would see His second coming, the millennial kingdom, and varies other aspects of Revelation. I’m not sold on replacement theology.
Good day Aerials!

Jesus not say "that there were some who would not taste of death until His second coming." Here is the scripture:

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27. But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

28. About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took with Him Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white
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First, their error is interpreting "the kingdom of God" as referring to the Lord's return to the earth, which is fales. Regarding this same phrase consider the following:

"But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you." Therefore by Jesus casting out demons, because He was driving them out by the Spirit of God, He referred to it as the kingdom of God coming upon them, i.e. the power of God being demonstrated.

In the scripture above and using the same phrase, Jesus said that "some who are standing here would not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God. Therefore, those standing there would be referring to Peter, John and James. This is supported by the fact that v.28 says "about eight days after Jesus had said this" which demonstrates that what Jesus had previously said in V.27 is linked with what takes place in v.28, which is that Peter, John and James saw Jesus transformed into His glorified stated, i.e. seeing the kingdom of God. This context has nothing to do with the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, but is referring to Peter, John and James seeing the Lord in His glorified state, which was fulfilled about a week later. Therefore, those who were standing there (Peter, John and James) saw the kingdom of God before they tasted death just as Jesus prophesied.

Then in v
 

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No

i am telling you any other interpretation which does not align with what the scripture says is wrong

the Bible says when Jesus comes back. certain things will happen, and they did, We see a lot of things that literally came true exactly as the Bible said they would

The time
The signs
The miracles
Where he would come
What he would do
How h would be rejected
How the word would go to the peopel who are not his (gentiles)
How he would die *cursed is the one who hangs on a tree)
What his death would be like. (Psalms 52 as a prime example)

all these things literally came true

Using this as a means of interpreting the word wiht the word.

if these things LITERALLY COME TRUE, why would everything else SPIRITUALLY COME TRUE?

they should not. We use the already fulfilled as precedence as to how to interpret future prophecy

The fact is, if those things have not happened, (as the things said about the 1st advent literally came true) Jesus has not returned

the Bible also says God gives us signs through prophesy so that we can KNOW he is God, and he declairs the future he declares he does so. So when they do come true, the people living at the time can KNOW they came from him, and the fulfillment s are used as a TESTIMONY he is the one true God.

if these things do not happen, then The Whole purpose God gave for prophecy is destroyed and it is meaningless

In fact. Anyone can make prophecy say whatever they want it to. by just symbolizing what the literal word says and making the word agree with them. (IE, God is no more a prophet than say Nostradamus)

Everything God said concerning salvation has been fulfilled. I agree

Everything God said about the coming of Christ as king and the earth as it relates to that coming and essential reign has not

you trying to make it seem it has does not make it so

If you want to discuss, Discuss. COme at me again with the nonsense like you did in yoru first sentence ad I will discontinue our conversation. I refuse ot converse wth people who make silly remarks trying to belittle a person, instead of just sticking to the word.
No I am telling you that your view doesn't fit in the text at all, and I am sorry if you were so offended by my first sentence
Where does it say they will see him at different times?

You read somethign that is not there. And expect me to agree with you when it does not say that

It says when he comes (the moment) the whole world will see him

Either you believe him or you do not.
I hate it when Christian throw out crap like this. Catch phrases and motto's as if this makes their view the same as "believing His word" and suggesting the opposing view "is not", but the way you worded your response was as if this were true when you said "every eye did not see him coming in the clouds and every nation did not cower in fear". How can you possibly know that when the bible was written before this happen?

You say "you trying to make it seem it has does not make it so", that's right, and you saying He's not King yet doesn't make that so either.

(LOL Either you believe His word or not,"how bout dat") <-- fair?

Christians went to their bloody painful deaths proclaiming He was King right now, I have to say my spirit likes the way it sounds better as well, can you not plainly see right here your view causes you to lessen our King? He is King RIGHT NOW TODAY and forever until everything is under Him, or until they just see the truth that it's already under Him. Jesus is King!!!!

Listen I know I'm very forward and blunt, but I never meant to offend you this whole time, and I apologize for saying that you think you know all in that way, and know it was a bad way to try to make my point, I did not meant it as an insult and am sorry. I know this is going to sound really bad, and know I'm saying to you knowing you love Jesus, I am not at all trying to call into question your salvation or obvious love for God. Cool, that's first, now can you see how your view denies the power of God. I can call my Jesus King over everything now, you have to make Him smaller and put Him off till "later". Brother it's not so, Jesus is King over everything right now, when you're are saved that is Him opening your eyes to that FACT you are now in His kingdom here on earth, today, Jesus help the blind to see you're King over everything now.

This futurist idea is illogical man and I still haven't seen any kind of commit on the temple problem the debunks all of that. We can't ignore it and can anyone reading please at least admit it poses a problem with this futurist idea? Please, even a shut up and stop bringing it up to let me know people are at least reading these comments.
 
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No I am telling you that your view doesn't fit in the text at all, and I am sorry if you were so offended by my first sentence
well your view does not fit the text at all.

Of course, Using this as any argument does not help either of our cases. So lets try to stick to what the Bible says.

I hate it when Christian throw out crap like this. Catch phrases and motto's as if this makes their view the same as "believing His word" and suggesting the opposing view "is not", but the way you worded your response was as if this were true when you said "every eye did not see him coming in the clouds and every nation did not cower in fear". How can you possibly know that when the bible was written before this happen?

You say "you trying to make it seem it has does not make it so", that's right, and you saying He's not King yet doesn't make that so either.

(LOL Either you believe His word or not,"how bout dat") <-- fair?

Christians went to their bloody painful deaths proclaiming He was King right now, I have to say my spirit likes the way it sounds better as well, can you not plainly see right here your view causes you to lessen our King? He is King RIGHT NOW TODAY and forever until everything is under Him, or until they just see the truth that it's already under Him. Jesus is King!!!!

Listen I know I'm very forward and blunt, but I never meant to offend you this whole time, and I apologize for saying that you think you know all in that way, and know it was a bad way to try to make my point, I did not meant it as an insult and am sorry. I know this is going to sound really bad, and know I'm saying to you knowing you love Jesus, I am not at all trying to call into question your salvation or obvious love for God. Cool, that's first, now can you see how your view denies the power of God. I can call my Jesus King over everything now, you have to make Him smaller and put Him off till "later". Brother it's not so, Jesus is King over everything right now, when you're are saved that is Him opening your eyes to that FACT you are now in His kingdom here on earth, today, Jesus help the blind to see you're King over everything now.

This futurist idea is illogical man and I still haven't seen any kind of commit on the temple problem the debunks all of that. We can't ignore it and can anyone reading please at least admit it poses a problem with this futurist idea? Please, even a shut up and stop bringing it up to let me know people are at least reading these comments.
I hate t when people take the word of God. And take what it says ad attempts to make it say somethign other than what it says.

If you wish to discuss the word we will disciss.

If you want to make baseless innuendo like you keep doing. I will move on to someone who really wants to talk about the word.
 

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well your view does not fit the text at all.

Of course, Using this as any argument does not help either of our cases. So lets try to stick to what the Bible says.



I hate t when people take the word of God. And take what it says ad attempts to make it say somethign other than what it says.

If you wish to discuss the word we will disciss.

If you want to make baseless innuendo like you keep doing. I will move on to someone who really wants to talk about the word.
You say things like "well your view does not fit the text at all"
When you know very little of what I believe, and obviously I think it fit it much better than the cut and paste patchwork your view requires. So what? We disagree yet the way you are wording things is the same way I described before, as if you know and I need to catch up. Very offensive.:sneaky: You are very close minded and ridged from my point of view and unwilling to engage for real.

And STILL not a peep about 3rd temple. I can't get a soul to even acknowledge it. It amazes me how you can just ignore such a vital problem at all. And say my view doesn't fit the text
 
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You say things like "well your view does not fit the text at all"
When you know very little of what I believe, and obviously I think it fit it much better than the cut and paste patchwork your view requires. So what? We disagree yet the way you are wording things is the same way I described before, as if you know and I need to catch up. Very offensive.:sneaky: You are very close minded and ridged from my point of view and unwilling to engage for real.

And STILL not a peep about 3rd temple. I can't get a soul to even acknowledge it. It amazes me how you can just ignore such a vital problem at all. And say my view doesn't fit the text
So its ok if you say it to me

yet if I say the same that is wrong too.

Good day, You are not being honest. And just keep making excuses..

when your ready to discuss the word. I will be here.
 

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So its ok if you say it to me

yet if I say the same that is wrong too.

Good day, You are not being honest. And just keep making excuses..

when your ready to discuss the word. I will be here.
I honestly don't understand what I'm being accused of lying about, and to be honest I think you're looking for any reason at all to end this conversation without ever addressing the issue concerning His word I was trying to discuss. I understand 100% these topics are very touchy and emotions can run high fast when you have no idea how our text is "being said". Everything I've written to you, if I said it face to face, you'd understand I am not being ugly or trying to condemn, and you know what? Writing this I just realized that the same could apply to me, so I apologize for reading your comments and most likely applying wrong intent and/or tone. I think we could honestly discuss this without accusing each other and "storming off".

Take a look real quick though, you are so full of accusations but all is still just skirting the main issue I brought up about the 3rd temple, you just will not acknowledge it at all so far? What is this, the Voldemort of objections? The "argument that can't be named"? It's a little frustrating in the way that you will not address an issue that would completely undermine this idea that we are still waiting for an earthly kingdom to come, seemingly from my point of view like you are now.

You accuse me of being dishonest, making excuses, and being a hypocrite. In contrast I've accused you of loving God, and understanding you are coming from a place of sincerity, yet you.......

You say nothing I'm putting for matches scripture, okay a quick run through of what Jesus says about the end of the "AGE", not world, but aion, or AGE not world. Lets see how I think what I believe lines up with His word better than a futurist view.

First off the new testament starts with Mat 3:2 with John the Baptist preaching "“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
"at hand" means soon, and there's no way it means thousands of years later. that's just not what the word meant. Next is in 3:7 when he specifies specifically that he is talking about God wrath when he says
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 10 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

He is telling the that these things are here. Moving on, Jesus in 4:17 starts His ministry, what does He say?

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Again there is no way the word used for "at hand" means 2,000 years later. They just wouldn't have used that word that means very short time.

Then in Matt 10, I want to post the whole thing but again in 10:7 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
then goes on instructing them to go proclaim this message, then says to them after telling them they'd be hated for His names sake he says
23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
See how I could think this fits my view? You say my view doesn't fit His word at all. This all fit well to me so far. Let us move on.
Now we are at the infamous Matt 16:27-28 Rally 28, but I like more context.

27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

When we take into account who is speaking & who is being spoken to, when in what time period, what is being said, where are they?
Are you really telling me that when Jesus looked these people in the eyes and said "truly I tell you that this generation will not die before they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom, that He meant us 2,000 years later, or that the people He was speaking to did either. That's illogical and not only that, everything He predicted did happen in recorded history. The end of the age came, the temple was destroyed not on brick on another, and the covenant breakers were judges while the Christians escaped because Jesus warned them. So this doesn't fit His word? It does to me so perfectly. There are SO many more verses that support this view. Please show me now how and where He says this will happen in the distant future please.

Then if you are honest at all you will quit ignoring the "3rd temple dilemma", and give something to back up your position on how a 3rd temple is even possible let alone purposeful. Stop running from this.
 

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So its ok if you say it to me

yet if I say the same that is wrong too.

Good day, You are not being honest. And just keep making excuses..

when your ready to discuss the word. I will be here.
BTW the "Very offensive" was said as tongue in cheek jab at you being so sensitive and saying that to me because you want to avoid the devastating 3rd temple dilemma, I think.
 
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BTW the "Very offensive" was said as tongue in cheek jab at you being so sensitive and saying that to me because you want to avoid the devastating 3rd temple dilemma, I think.
What I think is you think you know something and have no desire to discuss it. And because I will not agree with you you attack me

I have studied this for over 30 years if you think attacking me is going to change my Mind you have another thing coming
 
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I honestly don't understand what I'm being accused of lying about, and to be honest I think you're looking for any reason at all to end this conversation without ever addressing the issue concerning His word I was trying to discuss. I understand 100% these topics are very touchy and emotions can run high fast when you have no idea how our text is "being said". Everything I've written to you, if I said it face to face, you'd understand I am not being ugly or trying to condemn, and you know what? Writing this I just realized that the same could apply to me, so I apologize for reading your comments and most likely applying wrong intent and/or tone. I think we could honestly discuss this without accusing each other and "storming off".

Take a look real quick though, you are so full of accusations but all is still just skirting the main issue I brought up about the 3rd temple, you just will not acknowledge it at all so far? What is this, the Voldemort of objections? The "argument that can't be named"? It's a little frustrating in the way that you will not address an issue that would completely undermine this idea that we are still waiting for an earthly kingdom to come, seemingly from my point of view like you are now.

You accuse me of being dishonest, making excuses, and being a hypocrite. In contrast I've accused you of loving God, and understanding you are coming from a place of sincerity, yet you.......

You say nothing I'm putting for matches scripture, okay a quick run through of what Jesus says about the end of the "AGE", not world, but aion, or AGE not world. Lets see how I think what I believe lines up with His word better than a futurist view.

First off the new testament starts with Mat 3:2 with John the Baptist preaching "“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
"at hand" means soon, and there's no way it means thousands of years later. that's just not what the word meant. Next is in 3:7 when he specifies specifically that he is talking about God wrath when he says
“You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. 10 Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

He is telling the that these things are here. Moving on, Jesus in 4:17 starts His ministry, what does He say?

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Again there is no way the word used for "at hand" means 2,000 years later. They just wouldn't have used that word that means very short time.

Then in Matt 10, I want to post the whole thing but again in 10:7 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
then goes on instructing them to go proclaim this message, then says to them after telling them they'd be hated for His names sake he says
23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
See how I could think this fits my view? You say my view doesn't fit His word at all. This all fit well to me so far. Let us move on.
Now we are at the infamous Matt 16:27-28 Rally 28, but I like more context.

27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

When we take into account who is speaking & who is being spoken to, when in what time period, what is being said, where are they?
Are you really telling me that when Jesus looked these people in the eyes and said "truly I tell you that this generation will not die before they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom, that He meant us 2,000 years later, or that the people He was speaking to did either. That's illogical and not only that, everything He predicted did happen in recorded history. The end of the age came, the temple was destroyed not on brick on another, and the covenant breakers were judges while the Christians escaped because Jesus warned them. So this doesn't fit His word? It does to me so perfectly. There are SO many more verses that support this view. Please show me now how and where He says this will happen in the distant future please.

Then if you are honest at all you will quit ignoring the "3rd temple dilemma", and give something to back up your position on how a 3rd temple is even possible let alone purposeful. Stop running from this.
It would seem at hand represented available at the moment. The saints have the treasure of his authority in us. At hand but is not of us. not 2000 years later not even 1 second.

His kingdom of faith was at hand when the first martyr Abel was killed .His blood cries out from the heart of corrupted earth to be clothed with the new. .Not the corrupted

This generation is the present generation under the Sun the generation of Adam called the evil generation. It will be here until the last day when the letter of the law death is cast into the lake of fire along with the living suffering of hell .

Dying in a body of death.
 
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By the way, where does it say that all of them will see it all at the same time? You read too much into the text man.
They will see a flash of lightening from east to west if they do not blink..

God as eternal Spirit is not a man as us. We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Not after what the eyes see the temporal The way of the world.
 

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It would seem at hand represented available at the moment. The saints have the treasure of his authority in us. At hand but is not of us. not 2000 years later not even 1 second.

His kingdom of faith was at hand when the first martyr Abel was killed .His blood cries out from the heart of corrupted earth to be clothed with the new. .Not the corrupted

This generation is the present generation under the Sun the generation of Adam called the evil generation. It will be here until the last day when the letter of the law death is cast into the lake of fire along with the living suffering of hell .

Dying in a body of death.
Where does it say this? That He speaking of all generations being one. It does not say that at all. I disagree, I believe that Jesus looked these men in the face and told them "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". To say it means ANYTHING other than these people would not all die before "they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". To make it say anything else is adding to His word.
 

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And I have to point out one last time how NO pre-tribber will touch the "3rd temple dilemma". This is such a problem for this "to come" tribulation as to make it look silly. Will no one ever even touch it? Lets seek truth together here, if I'm wrong I want to know it.
 

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What I think is you think you know something and have no desire to discuss it. And because I will not agree with you you attack me

I have studied this for over 30 years if you think attacking me is going to change my Mind you have another thing coming
Change your mind about what? You haven't addressed or defended anything, and how have I attacked you? To be honest you're being a bit of a crybaby. Do you not stand on solid ground? Can you not discuss truth without getting all bent out of shape? At least you admit your mind is closed, I was accurate on that description.

LOL pride "I have studied this for over 30 years if you think attacking me is going to change my Mind you have another thing coming".
Really? "I have another thing coming", lol, I have not "attacked" you, and after 30 years of study you can't even answer one question about how a 3rd temple even makes sense. It's painfully obvious you will not address this and are just going to call me a meanie and hide from a legitimate question that I've asked in every comment. You need to face this man, and stop hiding behind "you're attacking me, waaaaa" because everyone can read the comment to see that's not true at all. You've called me dishonest, hypocritical, and ignorant of scripture and I've went out of my way to be easy and nice to you. You're accusations are unfounded and childish, who is is that accuses again? Is it Jesus?....No it was someone. Hmmmm...
 

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Change your mind about what? You haven't addressed or defended anything, and how have I attacked you? To be honest you're being a bit of a crybaby. Do you not stand on solid ground? Can you not discuss truth without getting all bent out of shape? At least you admit your mind is closed, I was accurate on that description.

LOL pride "I have studied this for over 30 years if you think attacking me is going to change my Mind you have another thing coming".
Really? "I have another thing coming", lol, I have not "attacked" you, and after 30 years of study you can't even answer one question about how a 3rd temple even makes sense. It's painfully obvious you will not address this and are just going to call me a meanie and hide from a legitimate question that I've asked in every comment. You need to face this man, and stop hiding behind "you're attacking me, waaaaa" because everyone can read the comment to see that's not true at all. You've called me dishonest, hypocritical, and ignorant of scripture and I've went out of my way to be easy and nice to you. You're accusations are unfounded and childish, who is is that accuses again? Is it Jesus?....No it was someone. Hmmmm...
The end of this comes across wrong and I don't like it. I was just trying to suggest that accusing is wrong, I was not trying to call you the devil or compare you at all like that. Just after a reread I didn't like the way it read. Sorry again.
 
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Change your mind about what? You haven't addressed or defended anything, and how have I attacked you? To be honest you're being a bit of a crybaby. Do you not stand on solid ground? Can you not discuss truth without getting all bent out of shape? At least you admit your mind is closed, I was accurate on that description.

LOL pride "I have studied this for over 30 years if you think attacking me is going to change my Mind you have another thing coming".
Really? "I have another thing coming", lol, I have not "attacked" you, and after 30 years of study you can't even answer one question about how a 3rd temple even makes sense. It's painfully obvious you will not address this and are just going to call me a meanie and hide from a legitimate question that I've asked in every comment. You need to face this man, and stop hiding behind "you're attacking me, waaaaa" because everyone can read the comment to see that's not true at all. You've called me dishonest, hypocritical, and ignorant of scripture and I've went out of my way to be easy and nice to you. You're accusations are unfounded and childish, who is is that accuses again? Is it Jesus?....No it was someone. Hmmmm...
Did go away I am sick of your childish attacks

You would not believe anything I tell you you have proven that. I am done good day
 

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Some sects of Christianity believe that Christ’s second coming had already occurred. This is in conjunction with the Olivet Discourse and specifically with chapter 24 from Matthew’s Gospel(Christ returned around 70 AD prior to the destruction of Jerusalem). Is there validation to any of this? Is there any historical evidence to support such? Has the revelation of Christs second coming being a future event based on tradition and misinterpretation? Is Preterism correct?

Thoughts?
Preterism is an abominable heresy, rooted in ignorance. This due to a woeful misapprehension of Matt 24 and an incorrect understanding of Luke 21 (two seperate events prophetically). Pretersm outright denies literally hundreds of prophecies, the book of Daniel and more.
To gain a proper and correct understanding of the Second Coming, pre-trib rapture and pre-millenialism I commend you to Chuck Missler on youtube and elsewhere. Chuck is correct in his exegesis, hermaneutics and eschatology.
 

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Wow that's funny 😆! Paul said, Jesus was that new creation ie new heaven and Earth! The old heaven and Earth in Adam has passed away behold all things have become new in Christ Jesus!
Paul preached a pre-trib rapture. Scriptural boilerate doctrine.
 

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I have a difficult time accepting this as well. Not only that, but wouldn’t there have been overwhelming evidence of such an event? God’s return.
You can say that again. Was Gods arrival on Horeb noticeable? Were the plagues on Egypt real and historical and devastating? Well....at Christ's soon arrival (imminent now per Daniel 12) you can expect a spectacle and judgments ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater.
 

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Some sects of Christianity believe that Christ’s second coming had already occurred. This is in conjunction with the Olivet Discourse and specifically with chapter 24 from Matthew’s Gospel(Christ returned around 70 AD prior to the destruction of Jerusalem). Is there validation to any of this? Is there any historical evidence to support such? Has the revelation of Christs second coming being a future event based on tradition and misinterpretation? Is Preterism correct?

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contextually the second coming could not have happened. the second Coming must be seen as it is described in the Word of God:

There are so many descriptive things associated with the Second Coming of the Lord that was spoken Prophetically that did not happen yet in the Biblical account or Historically.

1. every eye will see HIm Rev 1:7
2. shout and sound of a trumpet 1thess 4:14
3. He will be coming with GREAT Glory and every tribe will mourn Matthews 24:30

all nations will see HIm This is no little event and there are more than30 scriptural references to the Second Coming.