Have i committed the what is described in Hebrews 10:26 please any help would be appreciated
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FYI I never said that at all " I do not continuously strive to not Sin" You were not trying to do so. And I would also ask if you read the c the scriptures and what I suggested to the person on this thread. I am not looking to get into titles or doctrines of the Holiness movement, thank you very much. Nor am I a proponent of Sinless perfection. Your post here has nothing to do with what I have said.
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I'm not sure if George71 is still on CC, but in case there are others with the same dilemma, I would like to give my understanding of the problem. Man is incapable of not sinning because the motivation for living is self. Not sinning requires spiritual intervention. The 10 Commandments given to Moses explains how man can become sinless. It describes how man should behave in his relationship to God and to his fellow man. Man fails because of his motivation. Christ sitting on the right hand of the Father means that everything that the Father wants is done by the Father through Christ. That is why the God active in the Old Testament is Christ ( who is filled with the Father's Spirit from whom communication, direction, and power is given). Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but through Him.
That includes those in the Old Testament who believed God when He communicated with them through His Spirit and dreams. What they believed was in the coming Savior.
When Jesus came on the scene, He explained that He came down from Heaven to call sinners to repentance. The first Christians were Jews who obeyed Jewish customs. After Jesus ascended back into Heaven, these Christian Jews noticed that Gentiles were receiving the Holy Spirit and they make the statement that to the Gentiles also repentance that leads to salvation is granted by God. Without this repentance there is no salvation. Concerning election, if God is the one that grants the degree of repentance necessary, here are things to consider: Does God choose or do people choose. Repentance is a state of being. Once God grants repentance, you are in that state of being. It is not a gift that one can refuse. He does not put someone on a choke hold and says " Say you're sorry". God changes the state of the person He chooses so that the person turns to Him for forgiveness. Obviously, the person feels like it is he that is making the decisions, but his decision is based on how he feels about his sin. Through preaching, salvation through Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins is presented to him. When he puts his trust on Christ's death for the forgiveness of sins, his sins are erased.
But he is still a sinner. God remedies this problem by filling the person with His Holy Spirit through belief in His Son. It is the Holy Spirit of the Father which was given to His Son when Jesus went back to Heaven to get glorified. Both the Father and Son abide in Spirit in the heart of the new convert so that the person becomes part of the Spiritual body of Christ, and as a member of Christ's body, become one with Him and the Father and also share in the same love that they share. When we are born again, our motivation for living changes from love of Self to love of God first and love for everyone else second. When all our thoughts and actions are motivated by this divine love we will be obeying the Spirit of the Law and will be perfected and presentable to the Father. God judges the heart of man.
Baptism in the name of the Father occurs when He grants the repentance necessary that leads to salvation. Baptism in the name of the Son occurs when the person puts his trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit occurs when the person receives the Holy Spirit of the Father through belief in Jesus Christ in order to be perfected. All three have a part in our salvation. It is they who do the baptizing, not man.
That includes those in the Old Testament who believed God when He communicated with them through His Spirit and dreams. What they believed was in the coming Savior.
When Jesus came on the scene, He explained that He came down from Heaven to call sinners to repentance. The first Christians were Jews who obeyed Jewish customs. After Jesus ascended back into Heaven, these Christian Jews noticed that Gentiles were receiving the Holy Spirit and they make the statement that to the Gentiles also repentance that leads to salvation is granted by God. Without this repentance there is no salvation. Concerning election, if God is the one that grants the degree of repentance necessary, here are things to consider: Does God choose or do people choose. Repentance is a state of being. Once God grants repentance, you are in that state of being. It is not a gift that one can refuse. He does not put someone on a choke hold and says " Say you're sorry". God changes the state of the person He chooses so that the person turns to Him for forgiveness. Obviously, the person feels like it is he that is making the decisions, but his decision is based on how he feels about his sin. Through preaching, salvation through Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins is presented to him. When he puts his trust on Christ's death for the forgiveness of sins, his sins are erased.
But he is still a sinner. God remedies this problem by filling the person with His Holy Spirit through belief in His Son. It is the Holy Spirit of the Father which was given to His Son when Jesus went back to Heaven to get glorified. Both the Father and Son abide in Spirit in the heart of the new convert so that the person becomes part of the Spiritual body of Christ, and as a member of Christ's body, become one with Him and the Father and also share in the same love that they share. When we are born again, our motivation for living changes from love of Self to love of God first and love for everyone else second. When all our thoughts and actions are motivated by this divine love we will be obeying the Spirit of the Law and will be perfected and presentable to the Father. God judges the heart of man.
Baptism in the name of the Father occurs when He grants the repentance necessary that leads to salvation. Baptism in the name of the Son occurs when the person puts his trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit occurs when the person receives the Holy Spirit of the Father through belief in Jesus Christ in order to be perfected. All three have a part in our salvation. It is they who do the baptizing, not man.
even though it doesn't say salvation or hell? the description after says received a blessing, and the other is close to being cursed, in other words not actually cursed. Also the author did just say previously we weren't going to build the foundation again, he's essentially saying that's not the way it works, it's shameful and a waste.
Plus we have to account for other passages in the bible like the end of james about leading a brother back, and malachai and others with verses like if you return to me I return to you.
Could it refer to extreme cases of people renouncing christ? perhaps, But I think it would have to be a final rejection, not something one could easily do, we all face a judgment saved or not, 1 corinthians 3:13, as for the end results, it will vary no doubt.
Plus we have to account for other passages in the bible like the end of james about leading a brother back, and malachai and others with verses like if you return to me I return to you.
Could it refer to extreme cases of people renouncing christ? perhaps, But I think it would have to be a final rejection, not something one could easily do, we all face a judgment saved or not, 1 corinthians 3:13, as for the end results, it will vary no doubt.
I disagree. Trying to obtain eternal salvation through our working to satisfy law IS what sin itself is. Christ completely satisfied the law on the behalf of those He had chosen to salvation - there is no longer any law left for the elect to satisfy. Anyone who believes more is needed than what Christ achieved, in effect, is in direct conflict with God, and is calling God a liar because God has borne witness to, and informed us that, He was "well pleased" with Christ's offering. As the Saviour, Christ's offering covered everything to the
uttermost, necessary for our salvation.
[Rom 4:4 KJV] 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[1Jo 5:10 KJV] 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[2Pe 1:17 KJV] 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
There are two laws and two law alone of eternal consequence: 1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and 2) the law of sin and death. Man cannot move himself from one to the other - only Christ can do that and is what brings salvation. The more one tries to do so by their own efforts, the more one sins.
[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[Gal 2:21 KJV] 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Without first becoming saved, no one can truly repent. True repentance is in the ceasing of our works for salvation, unto
trusting of the works of Christ as Saviour for salvation, which trust, is only given to someone as a gift.
[Heb 6:1 KJV] 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[Heb 9:14 KJV] 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
God forgives sin, and from that forgiveness, one turns to Him, not before.
[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
All repentance is of God's work, none of it of man's - it is fully and completely a gift - but
repentance comes from and through salvation - see Heb 9:14 above - when the blood of Christ is imputed to someone, they
are then under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, thus making them saved with repentance close to and from it. Until and unless that occurs, neither are they saved, nor will they repent.
Everything associated to salvation is by God's choice and of His work - it is entirely out of the grasp of man.
uttermost, necessary for our salvation.
[Rom 4:4 KJV] 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[1Jo 5:10 KJV] 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[2Pe 1:17 KJV] 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
There are two laws and two law alone of eternal consequence: 1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, and 2) the law of sin and death. Man cannot move himself from one to the other - only Christ can do that and is what brings salvation. The more one tries to do so by their own efforts, the more one sins.
[Rom 8:2 KJV] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[Gal 2:21 KJV] 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Without first becoming saved, no one can truly repent. True repentance is in the ceasing of our works for salvation, unto
trusting of the works of Christ as Saviour for salvation, which trust, is only given to someone as a gift.
[Heb 6:1 KJV] 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
[Heb 9:14 KJV] 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
God forgives sin, and from that forgiveness, one turns to Him, not before.
[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
All repentance is of God's work, none of it of man's - it is fully and completely a gift - but
repentance comes from and through salvation - see Heb 9:14 above - when the blood of Christ is imputed to someone, they
are then under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, thus making them saved with repentance close to and from it. Until and unless that occurs, neither are they saved, nor will they repent.
Everything associated to salvation is by God's choice and of His work - it is entirely out of the grasp of man.
It is extreme to renounce Christ. If a Christian were to do so and become a Muslim, what would his fate be? Would he still be saved by the one who he renounced and put to an open shame again? The Hebrews were newly converted Christians who obviously had a problem of possibly reverting back to their old beliefs. This was the situation then, with some of them. But it has applicability to us today such as I've mentioned: a Christian denying Christ and becoming a Muslim for instance.
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yes that's kind of my view on the matter as well, then there's the whole philosophical matter of whether they were saved to begin with, but thats another discussion, There a verse I remeber hearing but have no idea where in the old testament, something about a lamp while it is still burning, the speaker i heard using it was making a reference that it's probably not finalized until we die, I should ask and see if anyone on here know what verse he may have been talking.
You ask: Does God choose or do people choose? Perhaps its both. God knows the full course of history and every choice that will ever be made by everyone. including Himself (God knows who He has chosen and has provided the Ransom). I note that you acknowledge that the person is also making a choice, albeit based on how he or she feels about their sin. So you agree that as far as the person is concerned they are making a choice.
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Must we endure/persevere unto the end, "not finalized until we die"? That may be made
to fit into the OT, under prophecy/covenants, and the law. However, If we:
Rightly Divided ↑ (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
In God's Other Context of Grace, In His "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon),
we find a Totally Different picture, because of:
Christ's ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross!
We now know all of The Following Plain And Clear Scriptures, about:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ!
God's Eternal Assurance!
God's Eternal Life Insurance!
Thus Today, Under Grace, true believers have God's Life, but supposed confessing (fake) believers do not.
Amen.
to fit into the OT, under prophecy/covenants, and the law. However, If we:
Rightly Divided ↑ (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
In God's Other Context of Grace, In His "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon),
we find a Totally Different picture, because of:
Christ's ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross!
We now know all of The Following Plain And Clear Scriptures, about:
God's OPERATION On all HIS New-born babes In Christ!
God's Eternal Assurance!
God's Eternal Life Insurance!
Thus Today, Under Grace, true believers have God's Life, but supposed confessing (fake) believers do not.
Amen.
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Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Correct, for the Future Dispensation of prophecy / covenants / law,
for them, the twelve tribes of Israel!
And again:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
God's Other ( Current ) Context Of "The Revelation Of The Mystery," for the
One Body Of Christ, us, Today, Under Grace, apart from all works for salvation!
Please see, and prayerfully/Carefully 'review' ( all! ) the 'links' provided in
post #111. = Over 12-Dozen Plain And Clear Scriptures simply Cannot Be
Contradicted, Correct?
Conclusion: Things that are Different are simply not 'the same.'
Amen.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Correct, for the Future Dispensation of prophecy / covenants / law,
for them, the twelve tribes of Israel!
And again:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)
God's Other ( Current ) Context Of "The Revelation Of The Mystery," for the
One Body Of Christ, us, Today, Under Grace, apart from all works for salvation!
Please see, and prayerfully/Carefully 'review' ( all! ) the 'links' provided in
post #111. = Over 12-Dozen Plain And Clear Scriptures simply Cannot Be
Contradicted, Correct?
Conclusion: Things that are Different are simply not 'the same.'
Amen.
