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K
No what I am doing is not allowing those baby Christians or those still weak in the faith to come here and be given only partial truths or flat out false teaching of the word of God.
Scripture says we are to give the whole word of God not only the pieces and parts that some make fit their doctrines made by man.
I constantly show and point others to read 1 John chapters 2 through 4 as those teachings of Apostle John are clear cut in showing a person if they are saved unto eternal life through Christ.
If I did not care about them I would just sit back and let all this false teaching and partial truths passed off to them as the whole truth. But we are called not to do that as by the Holy Spirit we are appointed as overseers of others to make sure they have the full truth in the word.
Scripture says we are to give the whole word of God not only the pieces and parts that some make fit their doctrines made by man.
I constantly show and point others to read 1 John chapters 2 through 4 as those teachings of Apostle John are clear cut in showing a person if they are saved unto eternal life through Christ.
If I did not care about them I would just sit back and let all this false teaching and partial truths passed off to them as the whole truth. But we are called not to do that as by the Holy Spirit we are appointed as overseers of others to make sure they have the full truth in the word.
Kenneth, what you preach is false....you deny verb tenses, the very definition of words, context and the simplicity that is found in Christ while following errors....John 3:16 and the verb tenses make it clear to any 1st century believer that they currently possessing eternal life and salvation and that it was gained by faith into Christ, The bible states it clearly that we are saved, justified, sealed and sanctified in Christ eternally based upon a once for all act,, yet you deny this...the bible is clear...salvation is eternal, cannot be lost, gained, earned, facilitated by anything we do, have done or will do other than acknowledging Jesus and believing in his resurrection....You do the very things you accuse others of...you refuse to acknowledge truth, scriptures and regurgitate your own theology which has its roots in false religion and the men you sat under...period!
K
Well lets see Dcon your teaching comes from a bible college, and mine comes from the Holy Spirit............
I think I will go with what the Holy Spirit says over any man made teaching system as the bible clearly says we have no need for another man to teach us because we have the Holy Spirit who gives us the truth.
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teachth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
It is the system that you were taught in that has taken and overly complicated the word of God by throwing all that private interpretation into it with the verb tenses and such. The Holy Spirit gives us His truth and knowledge in the word, not another person or system created by man.
By making John 3:16 say salvation being a physical possession of ours right now, your doctrine contradicts all of these from Apostle Paul;
1 Thessalonians 5:8
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
1 Timothy 4:8
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
1 Timothy 6:19
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
So either Apostle Paul is a liar or what you have been taught in bible college is a lie, it is one or the other not both !!!
Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
I went to a Bible study tonight that I have not attended for a while due to other activities crowding my evening schedule. The "leader" was saying that her idea of eternal life is the ability to live more fully in the moment. I must say that I do not agree with everything she says, but I do enjoy the study itself. It is more of a critical analysis of the text than a devotional study. They are lovely people who call themselves Christian but do not believe that Jesus died to take away the sins of the world. But y'all already know that that is one of the places that I am in disagreement with the majority in the group, yes?
K
By taking both the gospel according to John and also John's epistle both we can see that the eternal life/salvation that gospel book states as a having now is that of the Holy Spirit seal that we will receive it at the day of redemption for our faith in the Lord. John says we have eternal life abiding in us by the Holy Spirit !!!
We can not make it our physical possession of it now or the scriptures I mentioned in post #64 from Paul would contradict, and we know the bible can not contradict. So either the eternal life we have right now is either of the Holy Spirit and/or a mental assurance of receiving it through our faith in the Lord, or it is a physical possession which would make Apostle Paul a false teacher.
I do not believe Paul was a false teacher so it would have to be the first, and Strong's and Thayers both agree it is a mental assurance of receiving with the aid and guidance of the Lord by His Holy Spirit.
We can not make it our physical possession of it now or the scriptures I mentioned in post #64 from Paul would contradict, and we know the bible can not contradict. So either the eternal life we have right now is either of the Holy Spirit and/or a mental assurance of receiving it through our faith in the Lord, or it is a physical possession which would make Apostle Paul a false teacher.
I do not believe Paul was a false teacher so it would have to be the first, and Strong's and Thayers both agree it is a mental assurance of receiving with the aid and guidance of the Lord by His Holy Spirit.
ToBeWithHim, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the work that does have to be done to be saved. Granted, it is not a work of the law, but it is a work of faith. This work of faith is mentioned in Romans 10:10 ( For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.) and in James 2:24 ( You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.) The thief on the cross was saved by the word that he did in proclaiming his belief to the other thief and possibly to others standing around the crosses. When the bible talks about the resurrection and God's judgement, it tells us that God will judge what we have done in this life. Those who have done more will receive more rewards. I agree with most of the other posts about what is required to be saved, but they left this out.
by His grace we have been saved (Ephesians 2:8-9)
by His power we are being saved (1 Corinthians 1:18)
by His faithfulness we will be saved (Philippians 1:6)
we know, because He gave us of His spirit, and through it we died with Him to all the sinful passions of this world, that we will also live with Him, because we do not set aside the hope that He planted in us. (1 John 4:13, 1 Corinthians 2:12, Romans 6:8, 2 Timothy 2:11-13)
i know because i believe in His faithfulness more than i believe in my own!!
even my belief is evidence of what He began in me - what He will not fail to complete. how could i turn away? how could i add to Him? "His calling & gift are irrevocable" and He stands above all things.
by His power we are being saved (1 Corinthians 1:18)
by His faithfulness we will be saved (Philippians 1:6)
we know, because He gave us of His spirit, and through it we died with Him to all the sinful passions of this world, that we will also live with Him, because we do not set aside the hope that He planted in us. (1 John 4:13, 1 Corinthians 2:12, Romans 6:8, 2 Timothy 2:11-13)
i know because i believe in His faithfulness more than i believe in my own!!
even my belief is evidence of what He began in me - what He will not fail to complete. how could i turn away? how could i add to Him? "His calling & gift are irrevocable" and He stands above all things.
O
my wife and I have been shown and this is confirmed by scripture that without Faith it is impossible to please Him'....
like it is written, The just shall live by Faith..and again, Faith without works is dead'.
we must never bury our talents, for we know what the end thereof will be...
if we only produce hay and stubble, we can 'barely' slip-by, so if we produce LESS,
what shall our end be???
it is written again,
shall we PLEASE men or God??? or should we say that we are of Apollo or of Paul'?
Let us be kind, one toward another, tender hearted, let the Love of our Father be
present, even in disagreement.
we are continually astounded! astounded! astounded!, the more we read the scriptures,
both OT and NT, time after time, God's great mercy and patience is made manifest for
us to behold..... as it is written, He is our EXAMPLE, may we follow Him.....
like it is written, The just shall live by Faith..and again, Faith without works is dead'.
we must never bury our talents, for we know what the end thereof will be...
if we only produce hay and stubble, we can 'barely' slip-by, so if we produce LESS,
what shall our end be???
it is written again,
shall we PLEASE men or God??? or should we say that we are of Apollo or of Paul'?
Let us be kind, one toward another, tender hearted, let the Love of our Father be
present, even in disagreement.
we are continually astounded! astounded! astounded!, the more we read the scriptures,
both OT and NT, time after time, God's great mercy and patience is made manifest for
us to behold..... as it is written, He is our EXAMPLE, may we follow Him.....
E
How active was the faith of the thief on the cross to whom Jesus said he would be with him in glory that very day?
You know, you works guys do just what the religious leaders in Jesus time did...you ADD to the words of God, thereby making a heavy load that breaks backs and NO ONE can manage it
No one has to manage their own load....you can walk crippled out of here, or you can lay it down at the foot of the cross
It is the height of ironic that you mention a false faith . ANY faith apart from what Christ has accomplished for us is FALSE
Yeah? You wanna talk about that? Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees...are you a Pharisee? Do you know what a Pharisee is? Oh you are going to answer that you do know...They did not believe in Jesus. If you believe in Jesus and what HE has done, then you are not a Pharisee
Stop taking scripture out of context. It only shows your lack of ability to understand what is being said.
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath1One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”3Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
5Then Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”6On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled.7The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.
9Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”10He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.
K
The washing of feet has nothing to do with entering in a person's house.
It is about when the time of refreshing comes when you have backslide and sinned again, you do not need to be baptized again to be cleansed but you do need to keep acknowledging and confess for forgiveness when you have sinned and turn away from it. Lord Jesus makes this clear in John 3:10 and then repeated in Acts 3:20 of the refreshing that will come.
The 613 Mosaic laws do not apply or have to be kept by believers in Christ and Acts 15 and Colossians 2:14 clearly show this, so I do not get where you are coming from by saying this unless you believe you have to keep the written ordinances. If that is the case go ahead and do animal sacrifices, follow the food ordinances, and go and stone and kill people for breaking any one of them and see where that gets you.
We are called to walk in love, mercy, and forgiveness under the new covenant, not punish others for breaking written ordinances as the OT laws did.
The Perfect Law of Liberty mentioned in James 1:25 it the Lords teachings in the 4 gospel books and His commandments, including that of the 10 moral commands of God. These do apply under the new covenant as multiple places show these are still upheld by believers in Christ.
So yes the Mosaic laws have no bearing on me or other believers, but the law of Christ (His teachings and commands) do have bearing on my life as the Holy Spirit guides us to keep them.
It seems all you from the OSAS crowd can do to others who disagree with you is make condemning and sarcastic remarks toward us. You do realize the bible states and shows we are not to do this ???
Apostle James is one who is really convicting when it comes to this, and he says if you can not bridle your tongue your religion is worthless. (James 1:26)
In your studies or what you were taught by another did they ever talk to you about the great commission ???
It is about when the time of refreshing comes when you have backslide and sinned again, you do not need to be baptized again to be cleansed but you do need to keep acknowledging and confess for forgiveness when you have sinned and turn away from it. Lord Jesus makes this clear in John 3:10 and then repeated in Acts 3:20 of the refreshing that will come.
The 613 Mosaic laws do not apply or have to be kept by believers in Christ and Acts 15 and Colossians 2:14 clearly show this, so I do not get where you are coming from by saying this unless you believe you have to keep the written ordinances. If that is the case go ahead and do animal sacrifices, follow the food ordinances, and go and stone and kill people for breaking any one of them and see where that gets you.
We are called to walk in love, mercy, and forgiveness under the new covenant, not punish others for breaking written ordinances as the OT laws did.
The Perfect Law of Liberty mentioned in James 1:25 it the Lords teachings in the 4 gospel books and His commandments, including that of the 10 moral commands of God. These do apply under the new covenant as multiple places show these are still upheld by believers in Christ.
So yes the Mosaic laws have no bearing on me or other believers, but the law of Christ (His teachings and commands) do have bearing on my life as the Holy Spirit guides us to keep them.
It seems all you from the OSAS crowd can do to others who disagree with you is make condemning and sarcastic remarks toward us. You do realize the bible states and shows we are not to do this ???
Apostle James is one who is really convicting when it comes to this, and he says if you can not bridle your tongue your religion is worthless. (James 1:26)
In your studies or what you were taught by another did they ever talk to you about the great commission ???
K
Yes follow Him !!!
Following the Lord means you keep and obey out of love His teachings and commands.
The bible constantly over and over again say those who love Him and are His keep His commandments, and those who don't will not. Do you keep His commandments or do you teach others they don't have to obey them ???
Following the Lord means you keep and obey out of love His teachings and commands.
The bible constantly over and over again say those who love Him and are His keep His commandments, and those who don't will not. Do you keep His commandments or do you teach others they don't have to obey them ???