True, we can do nothing aside from Him. Does someone say we can? It seems to me that we are all relying on Him in our own ways, and yet there is this great divide where one faction is always claiming the others are not saved because they don't believe exactly as they do. In fact, the claim seems to be that they are doing of their own power, as if they maintain their salvation of themselves. I believe resting in Him, relying on Him, turning to Him, believing on Him, all is abiding in Him, being renewed by His Word, and allowing myself to acknowledge my absolute powerlessness without Him also. There are people who are religious but lost. I always wonder if those people who think they are saved but are not, realize that a personal relationship means they have encountered the living Lord.
Have you believed the false grace message?
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Ed Is right Peter. We don't doubt your love. It's the fact that you doubt HIS love. If we are believers and our love wanes for Him................HIS NEVER does for His Children.
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
This particular belief is emotional suicide. You can just count the ticks on the bomb,
before it blows up or one becomes a hypocrite.
It is also a problem when you look at the apostles. They had their issues, but in a
loving relationship they can always be resolved. But both sides of the argument can
suffer from a hard heart.
I realised once, that no matter how well one has walked in the past, we can freeze up
and cease to be spiritually alive, and have a hard heart. There have been numerous preachers
who lead revivals, only years later to be convinced they were totally wrong etc.
For me it is why listening to the Spirit and being open to others no matter who they are is
very important. Without communion we are lost, that is an eternal reality.
before it blows up or one becomes a hypocrite.
It is also a problem when you look at the apostles. They had their issues, but in a
loving relationship they can always be resolved. But both sides of the argument can
suffer from a hard heart.
I realised once, that no matter how well one has walked in the past, we can freeze up
and cease to be spiritually alive, and have a hard heart. There have been numerous preachers
who lead revivals, only years later to be convinced they were totally wrong etc.
For me it is why listening to the Spirit and being open to others no matter who they are is
very important. Without communion we are lost, that is an eternal reality.
I do realise this medium is very deceptive.
It is partly us just writing our own thoughts down, but then publishing them
without the filter of this is totally public.
So in a public setting, I would go, you cannot say that, but here it seems
like just writing a note or two.
And ones emotions always get the better of us, and suggest stuff we should
leave out. But by Gods grace I will get better, and He teaches and transforms
me through the sharing of others in His body, Amen.
It is partly us just writing our own thoughts down, but then publishing them
without the filter of this is totally public.
So in a public setting, I would go, you cannot say that, but here it seems
like just writing a note or two.
And ones emotions always get the better of us, and suggest stuff we should
leave out. But by Gods grace I will get better, and He teaches and transforms
me through the sharing of others in His body, Amen.
lol. Not sure how people play honest here. Kick the idiot around, prod
poke, make fun, play the troll. And among this who is real? Who is the
player and who really cares? Such serious subjects, yet children with toys,
and punishment if you do not play their way.
So what is honesty and what is the lie?
poke, make fun, play the troll. And among this who is real? Who is the
player and who really cares? Such serious subjects, yet children with toys,
and punishment if you do not play their way.
So what is honesty and what is the lie?
Sirk - I am nothing special, I am weak, in need, needing love and affection, openness
and encouragement like all people, and like a Child of God. I stay up late and sleep in
longer. I need a crisis to get me going, and like puzzles to solve, and risk to be taken.
I am nothing like perfection, I am just a redeemed man trying to follow my Lord and love
and serve people along the way.
And what is the biggest issue I have today. The future of one daughter to see her real
talents and the way it lights her soul, and have the courage to recognise how she needs
to explore where to go.
If I could see I would run away, if I knew the future I would make it not happen,
if I understood the trauma He will help me through, I would buckle now and give up,
but I know all I need to do is trust Him, because He is my strength and my song,
my hope in the night and my psalm in the morning. Amen.
and encouragement like all people, and like a Child of God. I stay up late and sleep in
longer. I need a crisis to get me going, and like puzzles to solve, and risk to be taken.
I am nothing like perfection, I am just a redeemed man trying to follow my Lord and love
and serve people along the way.
And what is the biggest issue I have today. The future of one daughter to see her real
talents and the way it lights her soul, and have the courage to recognise how she needs
to explore where to go.
If I could see I would run away, if I knew the future I would make it not happen,
if I understood the trauma He will help me through, I would buckle now and give up,
but I know all I need to do is trust Him, because He is my strength and my song,
my hope in the night and my psalm in the morning. Amen.
wsblind:;;...... Good works comes in many packages and are dictated by the Holy Spirit within you not by some authority who will tell you if you do not do this, you will go to hell.
Read my Signature,,and listen to the Holy Spirit within you very carefully my friend. You will do fine. Don't worry so much.
Read my Signature,,and listen to the Holy Spirit within you very carefully my friend. You will do fine. Don't worry so much.
It is telling that you do not know. Why pretend your post was honest? Ed did not compliment you, and yet your response was such that nobody would know this if they did not go back to see what Ed had actually said, which I did. Are you calling yourself an idiot? Or are you again insinuating someone said something they did not. Honesty, Peter. It will server you much better than whatever you are doing here.
Does someone say we can...? One of your previous posts was talking about the garbledness where some think they aren't relying on their own strength but they are, so...yeah, some say we can while simultaneously thinking they aren't doing it. But I don't count them unsaved. I think it's a phase a lot of us go through where we truly believe we're not relying on our own strength or working, toward holiness, but we really are, at least in some areas. It happened to me personally. I did it. And I KNOW how much the Spirit communed with me and how many consolations He gave me even during that. I was trying to help bring about my growth in holiness and I struggled long and hard in it. I suppose some may have said I had fallen from grace and was trying to earn my salvation, but I don't believe that's right. I think I just didn't understand that sanctification is ALSO by faith alone. It's like Abraham, trying to bring about the child of promise, but he wasn't thinking that would save him...so even Abraham got stuck in whatever it was I was stuck in for a time, in my opinion.
It would take a lot for me to really suspect in my mind that all religious people are lost. I don't want to be the one who decides they're unsaved. I'm afraid to pronounce that about someone. They could very well have received His Spirit but are trying to bring about their own sanctification by hard work and trying rather than by abiding. And combined with very little growth as yet in humility, I just can't make that pronouncement. They might look pretty awful and messed up to me but just be new or be stuck a little but having trusted and believed and received the Spirit. And I'm even MORE adamant that I'm not going to make that pronouncement because they have what I believe is some error of thinking or doctrine. I'm going to talk with them, but I'm not going to dare toss around pronouncements of unsaved when I can't see their heart. I'm going to keep looking for improvement and rejoice when I see it!
It would take a lot for me to really suspect in my mind that all religious people are lost. I don't want to be the one who decides they're unsaved. I'm afraid to pronounce that about someone. They could very well have received His Spirit but are trying to bring about their own sanctification by hard work and trying rather than by abiding. And combined with very little growth as yet in humility, I just can't make that pronouncement. They might look pretty awful and messed up to me but just be new or be stuck a little but having trusted and believed and received the Spirit. And I'm even MORE adamant that I'm not going to make that pronouncement because they have what I believe is some error of thinking or doctrine. I'm going to talk with them, but I'm not going to dare toss around pronouncements of unsaved when I can't see their heart. I'm going to keep looking for improvement and rejoice when I see it!
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At the very least, we think we are humbler than we really are. It's one of our struggles.
Just because a man has some lack of humility in some area or from time to time, or even a lot of the time, it doesn't mean he lacks even a speck of humility. Gods' usually working on Him.
Just because a man has some lack of humility in some area or from time to time, or even a lot of the time, it doesn't mean he lacks even a speck of humility. Gods' usually working on Him.
And I am absolutely NOT saying anyone here is a tare. Just don't forget that this will happen. They will look like wheat, but inwardly........