Have you believed the false grace message?
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WHO SAID CONTINUING IN TRUST IS NOT NECESSARY??
Please get off this OSAS crap. I am not discussing the doctrine of OSAS
as for the rest.
I can not grab the life raft, I have no power. (there we go again, trying to save yourself?)
God has to grab me, but he wants me to ask first. he will not force me against my will, he wants me to want it
When God grabs me, HE DOES NOT LET GO!
Please get off this OSAS crap. I am not discussing the doctrine of OSAS
as for the rest.
I can not grab the life raft, I have no power. (there we go again, trying to save yourself?)
God has to grab me, but he wants me to ask first. he will not force me against my will, he wants me to want it
When God grabs me, HE DOES NOT LET GO!
Ok what I mean by intervene, is all guns blazing, this is the way things are guys,
so here is the judgement.
And I am not going to drop "legalist" diatribe as you put it.
People who choose to take a legalistic view of things is actually a type of psychology
or mindset. And am I here to make friends with those who literally disown me from
the faith? Does the Lord say continue in loving kindness towards those who say the
follow Jesus yet issue terrible evil accusations against one in His name?
He says simply, have nothing to do with them.
And the internet plays into the hands of those most strident, because the answer is
be meek and mild, be sympathetic, try and be friendly rather than point out the obvious.
So my friend, tell me my lie?
And when conclusions are drawn which so obviously contradict scripture, are extreme
and general but sound nice to those who do not read scripture much, their fate is in
their own hands. But God bless you, in your efforts.
I just realised it is futile, other than standing as a signpost and refuting obvious points.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Rev 3:20
Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Matt 11:15
Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
Mark 4:9
As it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”
Rom 11:8
so here is the judgement.
And I am not going to drop "legalist" diatribe as you put it.
People who choose to take a legalistic view of things is actually a type of psychology
or mindset. And am I here to make friends with those who literally disown me from
the faith? Does the Lord say continue in loving kindness towards those who say the
follow Jesus yet issue terrible evil accusations against one in His name?
He says simply, have nothing to do with them.
And the internet plays into the hands of those most strident, because the answer is
be meek and mild, be sympathetic, try and be friendly rather than point out the obvious.
So my friend, tell me my lie?
And when conclusions are drawn which so obviously contradict scripture, are extreme
and general but sound nice to those who do not read scripture much, their fate is in
their own hands. But God bless you, in your efforts.
I just realised it is futile, other than standing as a signpost and refuting obvious points.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Rev 3:20
Whoever has ears, let them hear.
Matt 11:15
Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
Mark 4:9
As it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”
Rom 11:8
To take care that you are not disqualified from the race after you have preached to others does not, in my understanding, mean that you you just don't get the trophy but you still win. It means you have lost and are disqualified. It's a race of trust. You can't throw away the trust that saves you and then say that trust is not necessary. I'm not even sure why you would want to.
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Jesus teaches us to love our enemies.
I say they are not Your enemies but even you don't believe me that they are not against you, God still commands you to love them.
Most are more offended by your attitude then most of what you say.
Sometimes it's not about What you say as How you say it.
The "I am right, if you don't agree you are attacking me" stance gets old after a while.
I hope you realize those verses are talking about Jesus and not your words.
I accept people at their words. Most of those you speak with have faith in Christ and believe they are protecting new baby Christians from your teachings or musings or whatever you want to call your many posts.
They see in your words the mistakes they made in their youth and want you to see what they have learnt.
Instead of listening you basically call them deaf and blind legalist or "free hyper-gracers" or some other insulting label.
The namecalling, though you hide it between many truths is what you need to weed out.
However you have already stated you will continue in your misguided sin of calling people who aren't legalist ,,,legalist.
I personally wash my hands of it and give it to God.
I say they are not Your enemies but even you don't believe me that they are not against you, God still commands you to love them.
Most are more offended by your attitude then most of what you say.
Sometimes it's not about What you say as How you say it.
The "I am right, if you don't agree you are attacking me" stance gets old after a while.
I hope you realize those verses are talking about Jesus and not your words.
I accept people at their words. Most of those you speak with have faith in Christ and believe they are protecting new baby Christians from your teachings or musings or whatever you want to call your many posts.
They see in your words the mistakes they made in their youth and want you to see what they have learnt.
Instead of listening you basically call them deaf and blind legalist or "free hyper-gracers" or some other insulting label.
The namecalling, though you hide it between many truths is what you need to weed out.
However you have already stated you will continue in your misguided sin of calling people who aren't legalist ,,,legalist.
I personally wash my hands of it and give it to God.
Sorry. Korah's rebellion was against Moses and Arons leadership.
They came as a group to oppose Moses and Aaron and said to them, “You have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the Lord’s assembly?”
Numbers 16:3
these ungodly people ......
Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
Jude 1:11
Now when people come against the church and theology and scripture claiming they
represent the Lord and all the has gone before is evil and heresy, then this is the
same as Korah's rebellion, standing before the Lord and saying they are the new
authority, respect them and submit to their way of thinking, because you all have
been brainwashed etc.
If you do not see this, maybe you need more help than I thought.
They came as a group to oppose Moses and Aaron and said to them, “You have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the Lord’s assembly?”
Numbers 16:3
these ungodly people ......
Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
Jude 1:11
Now when people come against the church and theology and scripture claiming they
represent the Lord and all the has gone before is evil and heresy, then this is the
same as Korah's rebellion, standing before the Lord and saying they are the new
authority, respect them and submit to their way of thinking, because you all have
been brainwashed etc.
If you do not see this, maybe you need more help than I thought.
No worries, brothers in Christ need to lift each other up in many diverse ways!
Let me try and give the sequence of events to Salvation.
1. We hear the Gospel
2. GOD gives us the FAITH to believe the Gospel through FAITH
3. We are filled and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
That's it! We can talk about what we SHOULD do AFTER that happens all day long.
First off, it is interesting that you don't see that the broken seals in Scripture that you list are BROKEN BY JESUS!
In fact, in the Revelation seal you talk about, John is so upset that NO ONE could be found to break the seal, that he cries convulsively.
So how are YOU going to break a seal that the Holy Spirit put on you?
So GOD gives us the FAITH to believe. WE believe. WE'RE sealed. How is it possible to no longer believe? GOD gave us the faith! HE would have to take it away for us to no longer believe. Yet Jesus says HE will NEVER leave nor forsake us.
As for Hebrews 10, I don't have a lot of time now to go in depth, but the Book is written to HEBREWS. Yes I know it is still applicable to us, but the thrust of the book is faith in Jesus. Some of the Hebrew "believers" wanted to go back to the law and sacrifice animals to atone for their sin that Jesus ALREADY paid for, once and for all! THEY didn't believe Jesus Sacrifice was sufficient. So they received the knowledge of the truth (WHO Jesus is, and what He did) and continued in sin by wanting to go back to the law.
We have all sinned deliberately, EVEN after Salvation. Don't think you have? Well have you ever purposefully driven even 1 mile over the speed limit? YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW! I could go on and on with examples, but you get the point. ALL sin in a sense is willful. REJECTING JESUS, who He is, and what He has done, is the willing sin that can't be forgiven.
So what happens to the Christian who deliberately sins so bad and walks continuously in the flesh?
Well, just like the man in Corinthians who was having sex with his mother, the Lord may turn his FLESH over to satan (and who knows exactly what that means) BUT HIS SPIRIT WILL BE RAISED TO LIFE ON THE LAST DAY!
So accept His Grace, love Him all the more for how incredible, awesome, loving, powerful, incomprehensibly merciful he is, and extend that Grace to anyone and everyone you meet!
Let me try and give the sequence of events to Salvation.
1. We hear the Gospel
2. GOD gives us the FAITH to believe the Gospel through FAITH
3. We are filled and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
That's it! We can talk about what we SHOULD do AFTER that happens all day long.
First off, it is interesting that you don't see that the broken seals in Scripture that you list are BROKEN BY JESUS!
In fact, in the Revelation seal you talk about, John is so upset that NO ONE could be found to break the seal, that he cries convulsively.
So how are YOU going to break a seal that the Holy Spirit put on you?
So GOD gives us the FAITH to believe. WE believe. WE'RE sealed. How is it possible to no longer believe? GOD gave us the faith! HE would have to take it away for us to no longer believe. Yet Jesus says HE will NEVER leave nor forsake us.
As for Hebrews 10, I don't have a lot of time now to go in depth, but the Book is written to HEBREWS. Yes I know it is still applicable to us, but the thrust of the book is faith in Jesus. Some of the Hebrew "believers" wanted to go back to the law and sacrifice animals to atone for their sin that Jesus ALREADY paid for, once and for all! THEY didn't believe Jesus Sacrifice was sufficient. So they received the knowledge of the truth (WHO Jesus is, and what He did) and continued in sin by wanting to go back to the law.
We have all sinned deliberately, EVEN after Salvation. Don't think you have? Well have you ever purposefully driven even 1 mile over the speed limit? YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW! I could go on and on with examples, but you get the point. ALL sin in a sense is willful. REJECTING JESUS, who He is, and what He has done, is the willing sin that can't be forgiven.
So what happens to the Christian who deliberately sins so bad and walks continuously in the flesh?
Well, just like the man in Corinthians who was having sex with his mother, the Lord may turn his FLESH over to satan (and who knows exactly what that means) BUT HIS SPIRIT WILL BE RAISED TO LIFE ON THE LAST DAY!
So accept His Grace, love Him all the more for how incredible, awesome, loving, powerful, incomprehensibly merciful he is, and extend that Grace to anyone and everyone you meet!