Have you believed the false grace message?
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Its a bunch of crap. He just wants to sell more books for his worldly benefit. The problem with Gods Grace for these types of "teachers" is that it points people more toward God and His inheritance for us, than to them, the institutional church/pastors/priests/book sellers and prosperity ministers etc.
What is life for these "teachers" when people realize that they already have EVERYTHING they need for life and godliness, and that they don't need these charlatans to constantly tell/sell them that they are sinners bound for Hell, in spite of the free gift of the salvation of God that once received is eternal?
I don't need these "teachers" to repackage and re word and resell what God has already made real and eternal to me. I totally reject this message and will continue to walk in the newness of life granted to me by the creator of life.
What is life for these "teachers" when people realize that they already have EVERYTHING they need for life and godliness, and that they don't need these charlatans to constantly tell/sell them that they are sinners bound for Hell, in spite of the free gift of the salvation of God that once received is eternal?
I don't need these "teachers" to repackage and re word and resell what God has already made real and eternal to me. I totally reject this message and will continue to walk in the newness of life granted to me by the creator of life.
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ahh.. Ok I always thought talent was our gifting.. We all are given one gift, Some are given more than one..
I still say it is still talking about reward, and not salvation, She thinks it is about salvation?
Take what you have, and grow it.. You get rewarded..
Take what you have and HIDE IT.. You lose what you have and it is given to someone who can use it..
Their rebellion was against God .They opposed the work of the Holy Spirit of God ... Christ (our Rock) according to His work of faith that worked in Moses and Aaron .It worked both to will and do the good pleasure of God as an imputed righteousness .
Korah in his self-righteousness blasphemed the Holy name of God and is why he disappeared from the picture along with the others that were trusting in their own works as a sign they believed God. ..
Christians walk by the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God not seen , as did Moses and Arron.
Korah in his self-righteousness blasphemed the Holy name of God and is why he disappeared from the picture along with the others that were trusting in their own works as a sign they believed God. ..
Christians walk by the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God not seen , as did Moses and Arron.
He is not saying God made it possible to for the son to return exactly. He is saying it doesn't matter if the son returned or not to abiding in the fathers house. Even if he had not returned to abiding in the fathers house, eternal life is his. So the parable has nothing to do with life. In fact, this makes it so that none of the parables have to do with life. They're just about little gewgaws or rewards, but not sure what those rewards are because I can't think of any reward but Him and being with Him forever.
I laughed at this. 
I think...adversity is a gift from the hand of God. At first, I usually call it a stone, because it is hard to me, like a stone. But it exercises my faith and causes my faith to grow and makes me firm and stronger in faith. Then I see that God always tells the truth and was telling the truth in this also: He will never give me a stone when I ask for bread. I only think it's a stone at first.
I think...adversity is a gift from the hand of God. At first, I usually call it a stone, because it is hard to me, like a stone. But it exercises my faith and causes my faith to grow and makes me firm and stronger in faith. Then I see that God always tells the truth and was telling the truth in this also: He will never give me a stone when I ask for bread. I only think it's a stone at first.
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Here is the problem
Either salvation is a gift of God.
or it is a reward.
if we can do something to lose it. then it is not a gift, it is a reward. And god gave it to us as a downpayment and demands we keep working to earn it.
otherwise, it is a gift, and everything we do with the salvation and gifts God give us (talents) we are rewarded for. or suffer loss for.
Man lost the ability to determine his own fate for eternity. Persevering, working hard, Doing good deeds, All those things? they will not save us.
Only God and his mercy can save us, Because no matter what we do, how good we are. or how hard we try we will never be good enough to earn our eternal gift..
Sadly, I feel you have done what many do, and think it is what we do on earth that determines our eternal state, and not the cross, yet can not see this..which is why you keep trying to deny it.
I will give you though, that your not attacking, not getting mad, and not just making excuses like a certain person is.. And i thank you for that.
Either salvation is a gift of God.
or it is a reward.
if we can do something to lose it. then it is not a gift, it is a reward. And god gave it to us as a downpayment and demands we keep working to earn it.
otherwise, it is a gift, and everything we do with the salvation and gifts God give us (talents) we are rewarded for. or suffer loss for.
Man lost the ability to determine his own fate for eternity. Persevering, working hard, Doing good deeds, All those things? they will not save us.
Only God and his mercy can save us, Because no matter what we do, how good we are. or how hard we try we will never be good enough to earn our eternal gift..
Sadly, I feel you have done what many do, and think it is what we do on earth that determines our eternal state, and not the cross, yet can not see this..which is why you keep trying to deny it.
I will give you though, that your not attacking, not getting mad, and not just making excuses like a certain person is.. And i thank you for that.
I view that parable as the waiting, long suffering and therefore kind Father to represent our Father in heaven. Because He began the good work of salvation, He knew he would return . Some view it as a parable of the two sons leaving the Father who did the work of suffering, out of it. It can be viewed either way .The waiting Father works the best for myself.
That does not deal with the awful force of the parable.
You wicked slave, now you will receive no rewards except for the one of living and being with me for eternity?
Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness. He will weep and gnash his teeth there. (But it isn't really darkness, it's just about some reward or other. The outer darkness just means lack of some unspecified reward. And he won't REALLY weep and gnash his teeth because there are no tears in heaven?)
What reward could you care about losing if you get to be with Him forever?
You wicked slave, now you will receive no rewards except for the one of living and being with me for eternity?
Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness. He will weep and gnash his teeth there. (But it isn't really darkness, it's just about some reward or other. The outer darkness just means lack of some unspecified reward. And he won't REALLY weep and gnash his teeth because there are no tears in heaven?)
What reward could you care about losing if you get to be with Him forever?
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That's the problem we have today. We are stuck on salvation and can't past salvation. the majority believe This life is all about getting salvation or maintaining salvation. And the rewards get lost on us. And the rewards are played down to basically getting a lolly pop or not.
When the rewards are something we have or don't have for ALL eternity. Forever. ALWAYS. And the point of our rewards is that they Glorify Christ.
So to say that rewards are little gewgaws is to say Glorifying Christ is of no or little consequence to us.
When the rewards are something we have or don't have for ALL eternity. Forever. ALWAYS. And the point of our rewards is that they Glorify Christ.
So to say that rewards are little gewgaws is to say Glorifying Christ is of no or little consequence to us.
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we are all given talents.. That is his point. Who is it that uses the talent? and who is it who does not?
Is salvation a gift or reward? Why was Abraham seen as righteous based on his faith and not because of what he did... and why did Paul say there can be no boasting.
I will not boast because I saved myself because I took a talent and grew it. and that's what saved me
You want to. feel free.
ps. You can, and have earned eternal death.
You can not now, and will never earn eternal life..
Is salvation a gift or reward? Why was Abraham seen as righteous based on his faith and not because of what he did... and why did Paul say there can be no boasting.
I will not boast because I saved myself because I took a talent and grew it. and that's what saved me
You want to. feel free.
ps. You can, and have earned eternal death.
You can not now, and will never earn eternal life..
Salvation does not come without works in respect to someone’s faith, belief (Christ) . The reward is eternal life paid by the owner (Christ) he worked to make it possible. He is the rewarder as the one who pays the wage, a penny
In the parable below, salvation, eternal life is shown as a penny. All receive the same no matter how hard or long they think they worked. The self-righteous would not believe, they murmured against the goodman of the house.(Christ)
So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a “penny”.But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: “didst not thou agree with me for a penny?” Mat 20:8
In the parable below, salvation, eternal life is shown as a penny. All receive the same no matter how hard or long they think they worked. The self-righteous would not believe, they murmured against the goodman of the house.(Christ)
So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a “penny”.But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: “didst not thou agree with me for a penny?” Mat 20:8
G.K. Beale (The Temple and the Church's Mission, 2004) says that passage (and others) about rewards applies to pastors & shepherds. that it's they who receive a reward if their work (disciples) remains.
I agree.
1 Corinthians 3:9
God's Fellow Workers
…8He who plants and he who waters are one in purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building. 10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise master builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds.…
I agree.
1 Corinthians 3:9
God's Fellow Workers
…8He who plants and he who waters are one in purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building. 10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise master builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds.…
I don't care if I get to rule anything or anyone. I would gladly just like...clean the toilets or be in charge of whatever the most menial thing to take care of in heaven is. Why would I care about getting to rule anyone? I only care that I get to be with Him forever. There IS no reward but Him and being with Him forever. And there IS no thing more precious than my faith. It is the most precious thing He has given me. It is how He saves me. I want it to grow until I am nothing but walking, talking trust in Him. So I take seriously any area of mistrust or not abiding. It was mistrust and not abiding that created this entire awful mess of the world we live in. One man and woman not abiding, trusting in Him. That's what caused it all.
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Salvation isn't a wage to be earned, therefore it can't be the penny as you state.
I believe the penny is a day of rest in this life.
Can laborers or slaves or servants ever work hard enough that they are adopted as children of their master?
Jesus said to His disciples: you are no longer servants but friends for I have told you my plans.
.The difference between children and servants is that God's children understand why we need to do good works because of love and not to earn rewards.
I believe the penny is a day of rest in this life.
Can laborers or slaves or servants ever work hard enough that they are adopted as children of their master?
Jesus said to His disciples: you are no longer servants but friends for I have told you my plans.
.The difference between children and servants is that God's children understand why we need to do good works because of love and not to earn rewards.
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