Have You Received the Holy Ghost Since You Believed?

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Wansvic

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Paul never mentioned the necessity of being born again, even once in his epistles.
As I pointed out Paul's epistles were sent to people who had already been born again.

Jesus said unless a man is born again he cannot SEE (comprehend) the kingdom. Except a man be born of water and Spirit he cannot ENTER it. (John 3:3-5) Whether you accept it or not this scripture lines up directly with the need for everyone to be water baptized and receive the Holy Ghost as both Peter and Paul commanded of individuals. (Acts 2:38 and 19:1-6)
 

Guojing

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Paul was given the revelation that the church was comprised of both the Jews and Gentiles by Jesus Himself. Whereas, this truth became known to Peter through God-inspired individual practical experiences. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48)

Paul's direct revelation as well as the truth again seen through practical experiences in the biblical record provide the 2-3 witness principle required for an established truth to be realized.
So you are saying you don’t believe Paul had a mystery revelation that peter did not have.

Alright then
 

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Wow ! there's so much wrong in what you've just said , I'm actually shocked 😲 . Jesus specifically commissioned Paul . Following the instructions in Paul's letters is Following Jesus . Ignore Paul your disobeying Jesus . And we were all ex criminal s as far as God is concerned .
It's OK if you didn't know these things about Christianity.

Matthew 11:29 (WEB)

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart; and you will find rest for your souls.
 

Wansvic

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So you are saying you don’t believe Paul had a mystery revelation that peter did not have.

Alright then
No that is not what I am saying. Peter and Paul preached the same gospel. Paul explained that the mystery kept secret was that salvation was being made available to the Gentiles. (Eph 3:3-6) This revelation came directly from Jesus. Whereas, Peter became aware of this revelation after following God's leading and going to the Gentile Cornelius. They both received revelation from God, but in different ways.

Eph 3:3-6
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Evidently you did not read the post. Here it is again:
Paul was given the revelation that the church was comprised of both the Jews and Gentiles by Jesus Himself. Whereas, this truth became known to Peter through God-inspired individual practical experiences. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48)

Paul's direct revelation as well as the truth again seen through practical experiences in the biblical record provide the 2-3 witness principle required for an established truth to be realized.
 

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Narrow is the gate that leads to eternal life. No provision for a Pentecostal gospel no provision for water baptismal regeneration. Those paths deviate from the narrow and hard way that lead to eternal life.

Mat 7:13-14

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

throughfaith

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This scripture speaks to the truth that once a person is presented with the entire Pentecost message (word of truth, the gospel of salvation) and believes it they obey the commands indicating they have put their trust in Jesus. As stated in the instructions, they will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. That promise pertains to all that the Lord God shall call. (Acts 2:38-39)
it doesn't say that .Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
 

throughfaith

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This scripture speaks to the truth that once a person is presented with the entire Pentecost message (word of truth, the gospel of salvation) and believes it they obey the commands indicating they have put their trust in Jesus. As stated in the instructions, they will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. That promise pertains to all that the Lord God shall call. (Acts 2:38-39)
Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. ... Exegesis is drawing out text's meaning in accordance with the author's context and discoverable meaning.
 

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The following scripture indicates that a foundation is required of all. We know this because the verse says once laid the foundation need not be laid again. The foundational content repentance, faith, baptism etc. is clearly seen in the instructions given at Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) As well as in the events recorded in other areas of Acts. (Chapter 8, 10, 19)

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
 

throughfaith

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The following scripture indicates that a foundation is required of all. We know this because the verse says once laid the foundation need not be laid again. The foundational content repentance, faith, baptism etc. is clearly seen in the instructions given at Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) As well as in the events recorded in other areas of Acts. (Chapter 8, 10, 19)

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
Do you have Acts 2 .38 on your T shirt ?
 

throughfaith

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The following scripture indicates that a foundation is required of all. We know this because the verse says once laid the foundation need not be laid again. The foundational content repentance, faith, baptism etc. is clearly seen in the instructions given at Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) As well as in the events recorded in other areas of Acts. (Chapter 8, 10, 19)

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 

Guojing

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No that is not what I am saying. Peter and Paul preached the same gospel. Paul explained that the mystery kept secret was that salvation was being made available to the Gentiles. (Eph 3:3-6) This revelation came directly from Jesus. Whereas, Peter became aware of this revelation after following God's leading and going to the Gentile Cornelius. They both received revelation from God, but in different ways.

Eph 3:3-6
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Evidently you did not read the post. Here it is again:
Paul was given the revelation that the church was comprised of both the Jews and Gentiles by Jesus Himself. Whereas, this truth became known to Peter through God-inspired individual practical experiences. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-17, 10:44-48)

Paul's direct revelation as well as the truth again seen through practical experiences in the biblical record provide the 2-3 witness principle required for an established truth to be realized.
In the first place, Peter was not preaching the same gospel as Paul. I have already stated to you the difference earlier.

There is a difference between
  • In wickedness, you have killed your Messiah but God raised him from the dead as a sign that he is truly the Son of God, so repent of that wicked deed and be water baptized, and you will be saved from your sins in the future. (Acts 2:36 Acts 3:14-21 Acts 5:30 Acts 7:52 )
versus
  • Christ has died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
 

throughfaith

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The following scripture indicates that a foundation is required of all. We know this because the verse says once laid the foundation need not be laid again. The foundational content repentance, faith, baptism etc. is clearly seen in the instructions given at Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) As well as in the events recorded in other areas of Acts. (Chapter 8, 10, 19)

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
Acts 3:19
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19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. When ? when Jesus returns . Is this for today ? or Israel future? We are not preaching this today .
 

Wansvic

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Do you have Acts 2 .38 on your T shirt ?
Maybe you should consider the meaning of scripture presented rather than changing the subject in an attempt to annoy me. It is not working.
 

Wansvic

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1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
God's word NEVER contradicts itself. Hebrews 6:1-2 and 1 Corinthians 3:11 pertain to the same thing.
 

Wansvic

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In the first place, Peter was not preaching the same gospel as Paul. I have already stated to you the difference earlier.

There is a difference between
  • In wickedness, you have killed your Messiah but God raised him from the dead as a sign that he is truly the Son of God, so repent of that wicked deed and be water baptized, and you will be saved from your sins in the future. (Acts 2:36 Acts 3:14-21 Acts 5:30 Acts 7:52 )
versus
  • Christ has died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day for your justification. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
Your understanding does not take into consideration that obedience to the same instructions given to the Jews was commanded of Samaritans and Gentile individuals as well.

Peter's interaction with the Jewish Council about his experience with the Gentiles (Acts 10:44-48) speaks to what was produced through obedience to the God-given instructions. He states that God ALSO granted repentance unto life to the Gentiles. His comment proves that obedience to the instructions brings about one's spiritual rebirth whether Jew or Gentile.

Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God ALSO to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
 

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Acts 3:19
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19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. When ? when Jesus returns . Is this for today ? or Israel future? We are not preaching this today .
Consider the preceding verse 18. It states that Jesus has fulfilled what was spoken of by the prophets. Next we see instruction given that again parallel Peter's initial message at Pentecost; "Repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the mission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (indwelling presence of the Lord)

Acts 3:18-19
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
 

throughfaith

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Consider the preceding verse 18. It states that Jesus has fulfilled what was spoken of by the prophets. Next we see instruction given that again parallel Peter's initial message at Pentecost; "Repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the mission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (indwelling presence of the Lord)

Acts 3:18-19
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
So its future..it hasn't happened yet, for Israel nationally . But it will when Jesus returns as the verse above says . So using those verses to say that is the order for us today is false . As Paul clearly states that we do not recieve the Holy Spirit AFTER baptism in h20 .
Its After you believe the Gosepl then do we recieve all things the epistles say we recieve ,THEN we are baptised After we recieve ,not before .
 

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Consider the preceding verse 18. It states that Jesus has fulfilled what was spoken of by the prophets. Next we see instruction given that again parallel Peter's initial message at Pentecost; "Repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the mission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (indwelling presence of the Lord)

Acts 3:18-19
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
You are not Israel .
 

throughfaith

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Consider the preceding verse 18. It states that Jesus has fulfilled what was spoken of by the prophets. Next we see instruction given that again parallel Peter's initial message at Pentecost; "Repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the mission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (indwelling presence of the Lord)

Acts 3:18-19
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of israel why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
17¶And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; ( FUTURE )
20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the wor