Headcoverings: Biblical or Not?

[PS]

Are you part of the sons of God are angels cult? Let me clarify that, that fallen angels had sex with women.

I am a born again Christian and not a member of any cult. Your mention of sex suggests to me the fallen angels you mention were human ministers, evangelists, teachers, bishops and priests.

Can you post the Scripture where angels wrote letters?

Quickly from the internet I can post this. I shall post the part relevant to your question because as we all know angels can also be heavenly beings.

The word “angel” actually comes from the Greek word aggelos, which means “messenger.” The matching Hebrew word mal'ak has the same meaning.

Sometimes, the Bible uses these words for human beings:

ordinary people who carry messages (Job 1:14; Luke 7:24; 9:52)

prophets (Isaiah 42:19; Malachi 3:1)

priests (Malachi 2:7)

church leaders (Rev 1:20)

https://christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html

 

[Marcelo]

Is wearing head covering biblical? Many Christians not just Mennonites and simple folk wear them. I have been struggling with the passage in scripture. I have been told differing opinions. When a woman does wear a covering is it for God or Man or Both?

In my denomination women do wear veils. I myself don't feel it is essential, but no doubt Paul said women must have a head covering to pray and prophesy.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

More importantly, what is the spirit of the matter?

 

[Adstar]

Is wearing head covering biblical? Many Christians not just Mennonites and simple folk wear them. I have been struggling with the passage in scripture. I have been told differing opinions. When a woman does wear a covering is it for God or Man or Both?

The scriptures in the NT that deal with the issue proclaim that God has provided woman with long hair as a head covering.. Therefore there is no need for woman to wear anything over her head if she has long hair..

(1 Corinthians 11:13-16) "Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? {14} Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? {15} But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. {16} But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."

So we have no such custom of causing woman to wear head coverings..

 

[dcontroversal]

When a woman wears a head covering, it is for both God, and men, and also angels. What you should do is study 1 Corinthians 11: 1-16, and understand that what womens' head coverings represent is the Divine principle of Headship or authority. The head covering is a symbol of the man's authority over his wife, and also Christ's Headship over the Church and the churches.

Opinions are a dime a dozen. For Christians who wish to be in submission to Christ and the Bible, there is nothing to dispute, since Paul clearly explains the reasons for the head covering and indicates that that is the custom IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF GOD.

But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom [of discarding head coverings], neither the churches of God. (v 16).

Some people perversely interpret this to mean the exact opposite of what it says, because Paul did not include the words which I have placed in brackets to clarify this verse.

Does not you blue quote apply to long hair on a man......

 

[Marcelo]

More importantly, what is the spirit of the matter?

In my mind the only reason is cultural, but I don't know what was in Paul's mind.

 

[garee]

Our own source of faith, whatever it may be is useless if it is not placed in the source of salvation. Faith in and of itself is meaningless, it is just another self-righteous work of men that profits nothing.

Titus 3:4-7 “But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”

No need to follow any judizer add-ons to salvation, it is by His grace and grace alone. Grace, is God's unmerited favor, there is not one thing you can to do to gain it and if you think you can you are calliong God a liar.

Amen its his source of faith by which we can believe Him .To have Christ's faith in respect to persons is to blaspheme the holy name we are called by.

 

[notuptome]

If I'm not mistaken it was a cultural thing for women engaged in prostitution had to have their heads shaved. In the church these women after they got saved were to cover their heads. When their hair grew back it would be a natural covering to cover their shame.

If ladies wish to wear hats I have no problem. At least as long as they do not sit in front of me and interfere with my view of the pulpit area. Some choose to wear hats at Easter and it does add some additional esthetics to the assembly.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

Can you post the Scripture where angels wrote letters?

Are you part of the sons of God are angels cult? Let me clarify that, that fallen angels had sex with women.

Angels do not have dna .Neither are they male or female.God creates things after kinds.That kind is not subject to judgment or procreation they have nothing to procreate with

What angels can do is reveal who are acting as anitchrists. Like when Peter blasphemed the son of man. Blaspheme is forgiven against men.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mat 16:22

 

[garee]

If I'm not mistaken it was a cultural thing for women engaged in prostitution had to have their heads shaved. In the church these women after they got saved were to cover their heads. When their hair grew back it would be a natural covering to cover their shame.

If ladies wish to wear hats I have no problem. At least as long as they do not sit in front of me and interfere with my view of the pulpit area. Some choose to wear hats at Easter and it does add some additional esthetics to the assembly.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It was a ceremonial law as a fast when a woman from another nation desired to be a Jewish wife.

And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. Deu 21:11

I think it could be part of the fast Ruth went through when she came under the Jewish law. Rut 2:23

In the church these women after they got saved were to cover their heads. When their hair grew back it would be a natural covering to cover their shame.

The hair of a woman represents glory, as a covering glory . Man is given no representative glory other than his wife . And is why when the father of lies is described as having the face of an man and hair of a woman to show he is coming in full glory .


And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. Rev 9:7

But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 1Co 11:5

The uncovered is not bald it would be shaven already and not as we are informed , even all one if she was shaven . For if the woman does not cover her hair let it be shaven . Can’t shave something that’s not there .If it’s a shame for her to be bald wear the hair covering.(sackcloth)

.It’s not a cultural fashion thing.More of a sackcloth to show they are humbling themselves under the word of God and only he hidden glory is to be seen by faith

 

[PS]

In my mind the only reason is cultural, but I don't know what was in Paul's mind.

Paul was very strong on humility and women back then, and possibly even today, tend to be proud of their long hair which is a glory to them (1Co 11:15). Believing that pride is not good Paul suggested, without making it compulsory, they cover it up as they come before the LORD in prayer and supplication, so they might give Him all the praise and glory.

Sometimes a paraphrased translation can help. LINK

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

In my mind the only reason is cultural, but I don't know what was in Paul's mind.

If it is the word of God, it is spirit because God is Spirit. If it was cultural, then it shouldn't be considered the word of God. Just as the other few places (very few) where Paul says things like: I give my opinion here or I think​ I have the mind of God on this matter. After allall, for a man to give his opinion is quite a different thing than scripture.

 

[Marcelo]

If it is the word of God, it is spirit because God is Spirit. If it was cultural, then it shouldn't be considered the word of God. Just as the other few places (very few) where Paul says things like: I give my opinion here or I think​ I have the mind of God on this matter. After allall, for a man to give his opinion is quite a different thing than scripture.

In this case Paul didn't say "my opinion is that women should wear veils" and evidently his teaching came from God. But it is possible that God gave Paul this teaching for cultural reasons.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

In this case Paul didn't say "my opinion is that women should wear veils" and evidently his teaching came from God. But it is possible that God gave Paul this teaching for cultural reasons.

Yes, it is possible that God told him to say it for the sake of culture. Yes, he didn't say it was his opinion. He did say it was their custom, which is still also different than thus sayeth the Lord.

It is interesting that there are these hints of division on a matter even that early on though. He seems to have been trying to take care of the matter biblically, but then ends by saying (in my opinion) but you know what, this is our custom and so don't bother me anymore with this silliness. We have no other custom so we'll just continue with this one so everyone can settle down.

As to whether God Himself cares if I wear a head covering, I seriously doubt it. He looks at my heart and it is matters in my own heart He speaks with me about.

It would be very odd if God expects me to wear a head covering because of the sin of a woman who had unspeakable relations with an angel thousands of years ago. If I have been forgiven of my sins, why would I let anyone yoke me with her sins?

This is like when a man divorces and then meets God and remarries. Some would say he is forgiven by God but can't hold a certain function in the gathering because of something that happened before he met God. If God has forgiven him, why is he held back? In my opinion, it is a misunderstanding of what Paul meant, because Paul aided and abetted as Christians were murdered. So if he held a high place, which is worse - aiding and abetting murder or divorcing?

But these are the problems we face when saying we are free from the law and then making a law all over again of Paul's church administration.

 

[Depleted]

Is wearing head covering biblical? Many Christians not just Mennonites and simple folk wear them. I have been struggling with the passage in scripture. I have been told differing opinions. When a woman does wear a covering is it for God or Man or Both?

Well, it's in the Bible, so clearly biblical.

Here's a simple way of looking at it. What is your hair to you? Is it your glory? As in are you proud of it and like it when others admire it? Do you admire it? Do you work it? (Let's be real here -- woman to woman. Some of us do work our hair. We try and make it all it can be for whatever reason. Some just have hair just to keep their heads from getting cold or because it's too much hassle to shave it every day. There is a difference.) If so, it's your glory!

Now, when you go to church why are you going? "For God or Man or Both?" Now judge what you should do by your own answers.

And here's the kicker. It's not just the hair. It's the whole appearance.

Before I met the guy who is now my hubby, he took a friend to church one weekend. At the time, my husband was roommates with a scientist, and the scientist was your typical nerdy-nerd 1970's style. (Picture the stereotype nerd from the 70s, minus the lab coat, and you pretty much pictured hubby's old roommate. lol) The friend that went with hubby to church put his foot in his mouth twice, but it illuminated a serious problem with that church at the time. Not both times, but the first time did.

The friend asked, "Does this church have a ministry for prostitutes?"

Future-hubby looked to see what the friend saw. Sure enough, most of the women looked like they were high-class hookers. They certainly weren't dressing for God. They were competing with each other.

The second one was funny. Future-hubby's roommate (the science nerd), got up to testify on something he learned from the Lord that week. (He really a sweet, kind guy, albeit hard to understand, because he talked in scientific lingo.) When he was walking to the pulpit, the friend said, "Aww, that's nice that your church even lets the mentally-handicap talk." lol

Back on topic. It's not what everyone else should do. It's what you should do knowing where your mind is going getting ready to go to church. Whatever you consider your "glory," don't feed that to spend time in church with the Lord. Keep center that going to church is about the Lord, not about your appearance, and you'll be fine.



And a heads up, since you're new to this site and a woman. There are a couple of guys on this site at any given time, (not the ones who stick around, but they do show up constantly), who will use this opportunity to think they are your superior, so will teach you dumb-hick-woman, (it doesn't matter if you fit into that stereotype, they're thinking it anyway), that covering up for church AND only wearing dresses is your duty.

We women enjoy laughing at them. So, if you meet that type, and want to play along, that is why some of us will answer by telling what we're wearing at the moment. Just so you know what's happening if some of us answer with, "Pants," "Skirt," "Pajamas," or "Dress." It gets very funny when we do that for days on end. lol

 

[Marcelo]

As to whether God Himself cares if I wear a head covering, I seriously doubt it. He looks at my heart and it is matters in my own heart He speaks with me about.

Paul asked: "Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?"

Paul is asking Christians to give their honest opinion about the matter. Back then Christians would answer "NO" because of their culture, but today most people would say "yes, we don't see anything wrong in it".

This is like when a man divorces and then meets God and remarries. Some would say he is forgiven by God but can't hold a certain function in the gathering because of something that happened before he met God. If God has forgiven him, why is he held back?

In my opinion, a divorced person becomes single when they are baptized.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Paul asked: "Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?"

Paul is asking Christians to give their honest opinion about the matter. Back then Christians would answer "NO" because of their culture, but today most people would say "yes, we don't see anything wrong in it".



In my opinion, a divorced person becomes single when they are baptized.

I'd never heard this thought. It would fit with:though your sins are scarlet, they will be white as snow. And:your sins will be away from you as far as the east is from the west.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In my mind the only reason is cultural, but I don't know what was in Paul's mind.

A lot of people make this mistake. But when you carefully study what Paul was writing everything is TOTALLY SPIRITUAL.

1. Christians are to be followers of Christ, by following the example of the apostles (v 1)

2. The Corinthian Christians are praised for keeping or observing the ordinances (baptism and the Lord s Supper) although Paul will correct them on what they are failing to do (v 2)

3. The Principle of Headship begins within the Godhead and applies to both Christian men and women (v 3). God the Father is the Head (authority) over His Son (Christ), Christ is the Head (authority) over the Christian man, and the Christian man is the head (authority) over his wife.

4. When Christian men COVER their heads during worship, they dishonor their Head (Christ) (v 4)

5. When Christian women UNCOVER their heads during worship, they dishonor their heads (husbands) (v 5)

6. If shearing or shaving her head is shameful for the woman, even more so is it shameful when she uncovers her head. She might as well shave or shear her head (v 6)

7. Since man is the image and glory of God, his head must remain uncovered, But because the woman is the glory of man, her head must be covered (v 7). Why (Q) because man s glory must be hidden when God s glory should be revealed in worship.

8. The first man (Adam) was not born of a woman, but was a direct creation of God. But the woman (Eve) was created out of the body of the man (v 8)

9. The man (Adam) was not created for the woman, but the woman (Eve) was created for the man (v 9). Thus man was given authority (headship) over the woman.

10. For this cause (God instituted headship of man over woman) the woman must display the symbol of authority -- the head covering -- on her head during worship, because the holy angels observe Christian gatherings (v 10)

11. At the same time, the man and the woman need each other in the Lord (within Christian marriage) (v 11)

12. While Eve was from Adam s side, subsequently all men are born of women, and all of this is designed by God (v 12)

13. Christians, make a judgment: is it right, is it proper, that a woman pray during worship with her head uncovered (Q) (v 13)

14. Nature itself teaches that it is a shame for a man to have long hair (v 14)

15. But nature also teaches that long hair on a woman is her glory, and given her for a covering (v 15). But it is because her hair are her glory that God requires her glory to be hidden under a covering, so that only God s glory may be displayed during worship.

16. If any person wants to be contentious about this matter, let him or her know, that neither the apostles, nor the churches of God, have any such custom of UNCOVERING THE HEAD (v 16).

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

God help us....

 

[maxwel]

If anyone truly believes wearing a hat makes them right with God...

then I guess they should wear a hat.



Personally... I'm still not convinced this is how it works.