Healing - What is this actually?
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Ahhhhh... well I doubt my heart would ever have good and righteous intentions when it comes to money. Truth be told that is why I never have asked. 
[h=1]Proverbs 30:7-9 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
You can be comforted in the fact that the Lord will at the very least meet your needs. [/FONT]
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First of all , ain't my great grand baby cute...I can't post pic but take my word for she's adorable.
Now, Paul said gift of healings not healing. Plural. Imo there is no exclusive ministry for this but....anyways.
Positive thinking is generated so that a person could show enough faith to be healed......doesn't work.
I have to rebuke the pain I still feel, or the sickness, .....don't work. And claimed I'm healed. Still don't.
So what must I do to be healed.....believe that he is able.......yup..
And if I'm not healed then what, is it because of sin...nope..
Is it my lack of faith....not if he could make stones to sing....nope.
To except (thy will be done) is probably the hardest lesson learned. Does the pot tell the potter?
But I have a loving and gracious God who can do all things.......still do. Now who do you say I am?
And Jesus prayed (if there's any other way take this cup away.)
Seems cold and cruel but God's ways and thoughts are above ours. But I do remember in my marriage vows something like this....in sickness and in health till death do you part.
It's by the grace of God that anyone is saved. As the 3 believers in Daniel stated....if he chooses to save us...but if he doesn't.
Probably not the response you wanted to hear but that's 30 yrs. of searching for that magic button to push so God would heal.
Now, Paul said gift of healings not healing. Plural. Imo there is no exclusive ministry for this but....anyways.
Positive thinking is generated so that a person could show enough faith to be healed......doesn't work.
I have to rebuke the pain I still feel, or the sickness, .....don't work. And claimed I'm healed. Still don't.
So what must I do to be healed.....believe that he is able.......yup..
And if I'm not healed then what, is it because of sin...nope..
Is it my lack of faith....not if he could make stones to sing....nope.
To except (thy will be done) is probably the hardest lesson learned. Does the pot tell the potter?
But I have a loving and gracious God who can do all things.......still do. Now who do you say I am?
And Jesus prayed (if there's any other way take this cup away.)
Seems cold and cruel but God's ways and thoughts are above ours. But I do remember in my marriage vows something like this....in sickness and in health till death do you part.
It's by the grace of God that anyone is saved. As the 3 believers in Daniel stated....if he chooses to save us...but if he doesn't.
Probably not the response you wanted to hear but that's 30 yrs. of searching for that magic button to push so God would heal.
Jesus bore our sin. Yet we don't doubt all who call on Him are saved. Jesus bore our sickness. But because some don't get healed the automatic thought is it must be God's will. If someone struggles with drugs and alcohol is that God's will? If some are not saved is that God's will? If the enemy only does what God says why does Scripture say Jesus wouldn't have been crucified if the enemy wasn't tricked? Why would Jesus who only did what the Father do come against God's plan of sickness to glorify Himself? Why did Jesus say the enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but we think God does? Why do we say God's will is mysterious when He tells us clearly what it is in Scripture and that we have the mind of Christ?
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I am calling God a liar?
"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."
Mark 11:24-25
This is a very complex verse though it appears easy. Jesus is saying if you know for
certain God is in agreement with your request it will be done for you. A way of expressing
this certainty is knowing you have received it, which is the same as ordering something on line.
Now interestingly the people who hold up this verse to support healing the very next sentence
they deny. The denial is that if you do not forgive people God will not forgive you.
So how can they claim to be honouring a very extreme interpretation of Jesus's words about
prayer yet deny the obvious dependency between forgiving people and being forgiven.
But then for those who want only to see a mechanism of faith and not relationship, easily end
up being distorted by pride.
Take wealth preachers. If you give to me, God will give you back 1,000 times the amount.
They are truly getting their hearts desire in wealth by pushing greed in the listeners.
Now Jesus is really saying if you know Gods heart nothing is impossible to walk in His ways.
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
Matt 21:22
The above line was said in context of cursing the fig tree.
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Matt 7:8
"how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!"
Matt 7:11
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Luke 11:10
"how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
Luke 11:13
If you read the above words they are all said within the context of cursing a fig tree,
receiving good gifts from the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
This is a long way from saying these verses guarantee healing to the believer.
And to emphasis the condemnation aspect of the believers who hold this extreme
position, is I am sinning to suggest they are wrong, by becoming a liar.
Friendly believers, I think not.
"Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."
Mark 11:24-25
This is a very complex verse though it appears easy. Jesus is saying if you know for
certain God is in agreement with your request it will be done for you. A way of expressing
this certainty is knowing you have received it, which is the same as ordering something on line.
Now interestingly the people who hold up this verse to support healing the very next sentence
they deny. The denial is that if you do not forgive people God will not forgive you.
So how can they claim to be honouring a very extreme interpretation of Jesus's words about
prayer yet deny the obvious dependency between forgiving people and being forgiven.
But then for those who want only to see a mechanism of faith and not relationship, easily end
up being distorted by pride.
Take wealth preachers. If you give to me, God will give you back 1,000 times the amount.
They are truly getting their hearts desire in wealth by pushing greed in the listeners.
Now Jesus is really saying if you know Gods heart nothing is impossible to walk in His ways.
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
Matt 21:22
The above line was said in context of cursing the fig tree.
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Matt 7:8
"how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!"
Matt 7:11
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Luke 11:10
"how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
Luke 11:13
If you read the above words they are all said within the context of cursing a fig tree,
receiving good gifts from the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
This is a long way from saying these verses guarantee healing to the believer.
And to emphasis the condemnation aspect of the believers who hold this extreme
position, is I am sinning to suggest they are wrong, by becoming a liar.
Friendly believers, I think not.
Let me put a simple miracle moral dilemma.
Everyone dies. Everyone gets ill.
Now if healing was overflowing everywhere, is this not the same as starting heaven?
At what point do people say, my child is ill, please heal him, or you are guilty of the
punishment not healing him will bring. So soon it becomes I deserve healing, health etc
not it is a gift given to a guilty sinner.
The world we live in is a halfway house between heaven and hell. There are tastes
of everything along with its consequences. Which road will you choose?
That has always been the real question, nothing else.
Without structure or consequences our hearts would lead to no work, and pure
self indulgence with drugs to give us continual euphoria. Just look at celebrity
life styles and you will see this worked out.
One story I read of a christian business man who won the lottery, overthrew his
life, family, had affairs and lived his fantasy, which obviously destroyed all he had.
It is the recurrent dream of people who always push miracles is that it changes
everything, when in reality it is just a sign post as to a choice people can make, and
most just ignore it. Look at the people of Israel taken out of Egypt. They knew God,
and simply did not care to a large extent.
So God moves when it matters nothing more. Turning mortality into immortality is our
ministry. Becoming fishers of men.
Everyone dies. Everyone gets ill.
Now if healing was overflowing everywhere, is this not the same as starting heaven?
At what point do people say, my child is ill, please heal him, or you are guilty of the
punishment not healing him will bring. So soon it becomes I deserve healing, health etc
not it is a gift given to a guilty sinner.
The world we live in is a halfway house between heaven and hell. There are tastes
of everything along with its consequences. Which road will you choose?
That has always been the real question, nothing else.
Without structure or consequences our hearts would lead to no work, and pure
self indulgence with drugs to give us continual euphoria. Just look at celebrity
life styles and you will see this worked out.
One story I read of a christian business man who won the lottery, overthrew his
life, family, had affairs and lived his fantasy, which obviously destroyed all he had.
It is the recurrent dream of people who always push miracles is that it changes
everything, when in reality it is just a sign post as to a choice people can make, and
most just ignore it. Look at the people of Israel taken out of Egypt. They knew God,
and simply did not care to a large extent.
So God moves when it matters nothing more. Turning mortality into immortality is our
ministry. Becoming fishers of men.
When ever we put our own humanistic minds above the very plain word of God - we are elevating ourselves above the Lord.
Jesus is perfect theology and He came to do the will of the Father and all were healed that came to Him. Jesus should be the measure of our beliefs, not our own humanistic thoughts that violate the scriptures and the revelation of Jesus while He was on this earth to show us the will of the Father.
We elevate our experiences above the plain revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ and then we use our humanistic worldly thoughts to justify our stance against the scriptures. Then we wonder why our prayers don't get answered. We have the answer already - it's to do with our humanistic mindsets that make the word of God of no effect in our lives.
All of us are choosing what we are believing and we are experiencing what we believe.....so let's encourage each other to believe in what Christ has already done for us....and if people bring their humanistic worldly unbelief - ignore it and seek the Lord Himself for our answers.....selah
Jesus is perfect theology and He came to do the will of the Father and all were healed that came to Him. Jesus should be the measure of our beliefs, not our own humanistic thoughts that violate the scriptures and the revelation of Jesus while He was on this earth to show us the will of the Father.
We elevate our experiences above the plain revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ and then we use our humanistic worldly thoughts to justify our stance against the scriptures. Then we wonder why our prayers don't get answered. We have the answer already - it's to do with our humanistic mindsets that make the word of God of no effect in our lives.
All of us are choosing what we are believing and we are experiencing what we believe.....so let's encourage each other to believe in what Christ has already done for us....and if people bring their humanistic worldly unbelief - ignore it and seek the Lord Himself for our answers.....selah
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Why Jesus was different?
He performed miracles as proof of His authority to forgive sins.
Everyone was continually told, stop sinning or worse will happen to you.
Miracles where the pointer to the Lord not a reason in itself.
Those who point at miracles being everything, lack love, lack theology,
lack righteousness and purity, lack understanding and oppose those who
stand for these very things.
And worse still though they claim to be able to perform miracles, continually
fail to deliver. So not only is their ministry condemnatory, it also fails to
deliver what it claims is so obvious.
Now a few wonder preachers do have an impact, but that is where it stops.
And most contributors here confess they themselves do not see miracles very
often, one or two occasionally.
So the gap between the words and what is actually going on in their own lives
they are in 100% denial, so I have zero reason to believe a word they are saying.
He performed miracles as proof of His authority to forgive sins.
Everyone was continually told, stop sinning or worse will happen to you.
Miracles where the pointer to the Lord not a reason in itself.
Those who point at miracles being everything, lack love, lack theology,
lack righteousness and purity, lack understanding and oppose those who
stand for these very things.
And worse still though they claim to be able to perform miracles, continually
fail to deliver. So not only is their ministry condemnatory, it also fails to
deliver what it claims is so obvious.
Now a few wonder preachers do have an impact, but that is where it stops.
And most contributors here confess they themselves do not see miracles very
often, one or two occasionally.
So the gap between the words and what is actually going on in their own lives
they are in 100% denial, so I have zero reason to believe a word they are saying.
I have also a query. Humanistic mindset actually means looking for evidence, and testing
what people are claiming.
Now I would love to abandon the need for evidence and testing but we are surrounded
by people who lie, exagurate, manipulate, miss-read, desire something they should not,
miss-understand, use the wrong words etc.
So if you remove the very thing that tells wrong from right, you become a victim.
Now most cults will say, you can trust us, we are the good guys.
Jesus said I am the good guy, I heal and I forgive sins. I speak from the Lord,
the prophets, the law. He proved all he stood for, and showed His foundations
and fruit in peoples lives.
So the followers of Christ likewise take the same approach and do not fear truth
and disclosure, discussion and debate but desire it to show who and what they are.
But here we have believers saying abandon what Christ embraced, and just accept
our message.
what people are claiming.
Now I would love to abandon the need for evidence and testing but we are surrounded
by people who lie, exagurate, manipulate, miss-read, desire something they should not,
miss-understand, use the wrong words etc.
So if you remove the very thing that tells wrong from right, you become a victim.
Now most cults will say, you can trust us, we are the good guys.
Jesus said I am the good guy, I heal and I forgive sins. I speak from the Lord,
the prophets, the law. He proved all he stood for, and showed His foundations
and fruit in peoples lives.
So the followers of Christ likewise take the same approach and do not fear truth
and disclosure, discussion and debate but desire it to show who and what they are.
But here we have believers saying abandon what Christ embraced, and just accept
our message.
Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
One important truth that has been a blessing to me is this: You can't have faith in some one else's revelation of truth - each of us must receive a revelation of truth from the Holy Spirit.
We also need to let other people hear from God themselves and not judge others because they don't "see what we see".
These things don't come by the natural mind's understanding. They come to our spirit first by the Holy Spirit - then we get our minds renewed to the truth. This principle works for every truth in the Kingdom no matter what it is.
Real humility is agreeing with what God says about Himself - ourselves and others. Jesus is truth and He came to do the will of the Father and to reveal God as Father to us.
We also need to let other people hear from God themselves and not judge others because they don't "see what we see".
These things don't come by the natural mind's understanding. They come to our spirit first by the Holy Spirit - then we get our minds renewed to the truth. This principle works for every truth in the Kingdom no matter what it is.
Real humility is agreeing with what God says about Himself - ourselves and others. Jesus is truth and He came to do the will of the Father and to reveal God as Father to us.
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When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.
Mark 7:4
"You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."
And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!"
Mark 7:8-9
I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.
1 Cor 11:2
The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.
Luke 16:14
Mark 7:4
"You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."
And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!"
Mark 7:8-9
I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.
1 Cor 11:2
The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.
Luke 16:14
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:34-35
Did Jesus say go out and heal everyones disease, live in health and wealth?
No Jesus said go out and love one another, and through this love you will be lights
in a dark empty world.
It is truly odd that what you are being asked to do is believe that which does not
take place, and reject the actual words of Christ because they are impossible.
Sounds like another gospel, and false teachers, promising a mystical reality which
they cannot deliver.
John 13:34-35
Did Jesus say go out and heal everyones disease, live in health and wealth?
No Jesus said go out and love one another, and through this love you will be lights
in a dark empty world.
It is truly odd that what you are being asked to do is believe that which does not
take place, and reject the actual words of Christ because they are impossible.
Sounds like another gospel, and false teachers, promising a mystical reality which
they cannot deliver.
If you had a million dollars and your son needed an operation to save his life and it costs $100,000 - does love pay for the operation? Of course it does....well God's kind of love does. Love heals and protects people. God is love.
I wonder if God abides in His own love? We can with humanistic thoughts negate the love and grace of God for our own lives but He still has love and grace held out to us all the day and night long.
1 John 4:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
I wonder if God abides in His own love? We can with humanistic thoughts negate the love and grace of God for our own lives but He still has love and grace held out to us all the day and night long.
1 John 4:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
A small observation - many a parent with a child with cancer has prayed to heaven,
spent money on medicine and the child still dies.
There is obviously not such a simple connection between the love God shares and what
we experience.
Life is such a gift, every day is a free gift which we do not deserve. Once you see
life as a blessing to not be taken for granted, rather than the ending of it being
a curse, it is the door into meeting the Lord.
So many suffer in this world, that in the next they will be truly free.
"God is love", but our concept of what is best is not the Lords.
In a world of unbelievable wealth and privilege we too easily want
perfection and no trouble in our lives. Rather than praising God that
our children are still alive in their 20's it becomes how can they have
this medical problem or that issue, it is so unfair. No, the blessing is
so tremendous, that we do not expect to loose our kids as children,
but to live into parenthood. Wow, praise the Lord for this gift.
This whole discussion is so wrong, driven by people who do not see
the time they live in and how this is the lives of kings, but still they
are not satisfied, but greed drives them on to more wealth, fame and
glory...
spent money on medicine and the child still dies.
There is obviously not such a simple connection between the love God shares and what
we experience.
Life is such a gift, every day is a free gift which we do not deserve. Once you see
life as a blessing to not be taken for granted, rather than the ending of it being
a curse, it is the door into meeting the Lord.
So many suffer in this world, that in the next they will be truly free.
"God is love", but our concept of what is best is not the Lords.
In a world of unbelievable wealth and privilege we too easily want
perfection and no trouble in our lives. Rather than praising God that
our children are still alive in their 20's it becomes how can they have
this medical problem or that issue, it is so unfair. No, the blessing is
so tremendous, that we do not expect to loose our kids as children,
but to live into parenthood. Wow, praise the Lord for this gift.
This whole discussion is so wrong, driven by people who do not see
the time they live in and how this is the lives of kings, but still they
are not satisfied, but greed drives them on to more wealth, fame and
glory...
As believers we have a choice either to believe what the scriptures are telling us or believe our own human philosophy based entirely on our own experiences.
There is absolutely NO record of Jesus refusing anyone who came to Him for healing - physical healing.
This could conflict with our own experience but are we going to believe experiences or the Word of God?Are we going to elevate our experiences above the revealed life of Jesus who showed us the will of the Father?
Yes, we will all die in this body and we look forward to the final redemption of these bodies. Even in the Old Covenant God promised healing and health. ( Deut 28 and Psalm 103. )
Moses, Caleb, Joshua and others that believed in God's word were all strong and healthy until it was their time to leave. Yes, this body will break down because of the sin that is in our flesh. ( Rom. 8:13 ).
Sickness and aging are 2 different things and yes, when we go to be with the Lord - our physical heart does stop beating. We all have a time to die and go to be with the Lord.
Nowhere do we see - if we are honest - Jesus saying any of the below things to the people that came to Him for healing:
1) No, I can't heal you now because you need to learn a lesson and God is trying to teach you something.
2) No, I will not heal you because of how you have treated your body and have not eaten the right foods ( funny thing is that these people were all on the mediterranean diet)
3) No, I can't heal you today because you have unconfessed sin in your life.
Sickness is an enemy and it is not from our Father nor does He create it to "teach" His beloved children things. The Lord can take any situation we are in and reveal His love and grace to us in the midst of it but He is not the author of sickness.
Jesus is perfect theology:
Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of our Father. Jesus is the exact representation of the will of the Father.
Hebrews 1:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
I could fill up this page with scriptures that show Jesus healed "all" that came to Him. He also passed by those that didn't come to Him too and in some cases He came to them Himself. ( Man at the pool of Bethesda )
I realize this is a very hot subject and people have had many negative experiences in their lives. Personally I would rather die agreeing that Jesus is my healer no matter what the outcome brings.
We are to help bear the burdens with those around us that are going through hardship as loving brethren - no matter what we believe. Being contentious and condemning does not fulfill this purpose of loving them where they are at in this life.
If people are genuinely interested - they can search the threads for the "healing " threads and ask the Lord to show them what it is that He would have them to do in their situation.
There is absolutely NO record of Jesus refusing anyone who came to Him for healing - physical healing.
This could conflict with our own experience but are we going to believe experiences or the Word of God?Are we going to elevate our experiences above the revealed life of Jesus who showed us the will of the Father?
Yes, we will all die in this body and we look forward to the final redemption of these bodies. Even in the Old Covenant God promised healing and health. ( Deut 28 and Psalm 103. )
Moses, Caleb, Joshua and others that believed in God's word were all strong and healthy until it was their time to leave. Yes, this body will break down because of the sin that is in our flesh. ( Rom. 8:13 ).
Sickness and aging are 2 different things and yes, when we go to be with the Lord - our physical heart does stop beating. We all have a time to die and go to be with the Lord.
Nowhere do we see - if we are honest - Jesus saying any of the below things to the people that came to Him for healing:
1) No, I can't heal you now because you need to learn a lesson and God is trying to teach you something.
2) No, I will not heal you because of how you have treated your body and have not eaten the right foods ( funny thing is that these people were all on the mediterranean diet)
3) No, I can't heal you today because you have unconfessed sin in your life.
Sickness is an enemy and it is not from our Father nor does He create it to "teach" His beloved children things. The Lord can take any situation we are in and reveal His love and grace to us in the midst of it but He is not the author of sickness.
Jesus is perfect theology:
Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of our Father. Jesus is the exact representation of the will of the Father.
Hebrews 1:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
I could fill up this page with scriptures that show Jesus healed "all" that came to Him. He also passed by those that didn't come to Him too and in some cases He came to them Himself. ( Man at the pool of Bethesda )
I realize this is a very hot subject and people have had many negative experiences in their lives. Personally I would rather die agreeing that Jesus is my healer no matter what the outcome brings.
We are to help bear the burdens with those around us that are going through hardship as loving brethren - no matter what we believe. Being contentious and condemning does not fulfill this purpose of loving them where they are at in this life.
If people are genuinely interested - they can search the threads for the "healing " threads and ask the Lord to show them what it is that He would have them to do in their situation.
Dear reader, Grace777 can preach his version of faith forever, the problem he has is who
has he healed, who has come to him and walked away changed?
There are churches who have claimed 100% the stuff he says, and they generally fail
because nothing happens and they disappear.
No one disputes those who met Jesus and had faith for healing of an illness where
healed.
The question is, is this our calling. Now if you claim it is, then live it and come back
here and share. Words are easy to say and claim, but are empty if you cannot live
them yourself.
So Grace777 who has been healed as a result of your intercession?
Now some here have testimony of this, but also of failure.
Most testify to the opposite, nothing, or one or two possible moves of God.
I personally have never prayed for healing and it obviously has happened.
I have prayed about knowledge as to a situation, and it has come.
I have prayed with and for people who have later died.
I now praise the Lord for His blessing in life, and the persons life and wait on Him
to bring revelation. People in our church have brought things to the Lord and He has
healed.
What is dangerous is the guarantee of healing.
The guarantee is we will all die, we will all get ill until the Lord comes.
has he healed, who has come to him and walked away changed?
There are churches who have claimed 100% the stuff he says, and they generally fail
because nothing happens and they disappear.
No one disputes those who met Jesus and had faith for healing of an illness where
healed.
The question is, is this our calling. Now if you claim it is, then live it and come back
here and share. Words are easy to say and claim, but are empty if you cannot live
them yourself.
So Grace777 who has been healed as a result of your intercession?
Now some here have testimony of this, but also of failure.
Most testify to the opposite, nothing, or one or two possible moves of God.
I personally have never prayed for healing and it obviously has happened.
I have prayed about knowledge as to a situation, and it has come.
I have prayed with and for people who have later died.
I now praise the Lord for His blessing in life, and the persons life and wait on Him
to bring revelation. People in our church have brought things to the Lord and He has
healed.
What is dangerous is the guarantee of healing.
The guarantee is we will all die, we will all get ill until the Lord comes.
Jesus said that even if one was raised from the dead they wouldn't believe. We will always have mockers and they are in the church too not just the "unbelievers" when it comes to the things of God and what the scriptures actually say concerning any subject.
That is always something that we all ponder on as to why all are not healed when we pray for people....here is one man's understanding in this area of why not everyone is not healed when we believers pray.
[video=youtube;QnYNrEruwas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYNrEruwas[/video]
Healing is definitely in the gospel message.
That is always something that we all ponder on as to why all are not healed when we pray for people....here is one man's understanding in this area of why not everyone is not healed when we believers pray.
[video=youtube;QnYNrEruwas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYNrEruwas[/video]
Healing is definitely in the gospel message.