Hell's Population Crock

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That was really informative, but it's just another view out of all view points people have about bible doctrine. However that been said, I accept this new view as my favourite view of hell doctrine.
Thank you Stabbo - the sweet consistency is, it lines up with the fact that GOD IS LOVE and with what Jesus said in Rev 21:5 -

Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW!!
 

john832

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No sorry Im getting you and Socrates mixed up. I dont think he believes the same.I think he believes all will be saved.
Ah, no problem my friend. I have done that a time or two myself.
 

john832

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You make some good points. Sending people to hell doesn't sound like a very loving God. The whole "send people to hell doctrine" I think doesn't line up with God's character. There's a verse that says that Gods will is that none shall perish.

What I wanna know is what happens to non-believers who die? If sheol is the original word for death then would that mean that non-believers will simply cease to exist? Cuz Sheol also means grave right? Then there was a psalm where someone says how the dead don't think or reason or feel. So is that what happens to non-believers?
ooooohhhh! I see what you did there! Nice! So if the spirit returns to God what does He do with it? Does the person live like any Christ-follower or do they just become nothing?
The dust is resurrected, reunited with the spirit (in man, Job 32:8, the non physical component in the brain that gives us intellect and reason) and both are destroyed in the Lake of Fire...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

john832

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You make some good points. Sending people to hell doesn't sound like a very loving God. The whole "send people to hell doctrine" I think doesn't line up with God's character. There's a verse that says that Gods will is that none shall perish.

What I wanna know is what happens to non-believers who die? If sheol is the original word for death then would that mean that non-believers will simply cease to exist? Cuz Sheol also means grave right? Then there was a psalm where someone says how the dead don't think or reason or feel. So is that what happens to non-believers?
in this verse Peter is talking about how that God puts off justice for a while, for example you're not struck down by a flaming meteor or a lightning bolt the moment you sin, and we're not immediately exalted when we do His good will. he says God is "not slack" -- i.e. He's not procrastinating. He lets things run their full course, and part of the reason is His mercy - giving us every opportunity to repent, and for those who reject Him, every opportunity to see the good things He does and seek Him.
Add to it the rest of the verse and it seems pretty self explanatory...

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

He is not willing, it is not His desire that any should perish. It is His desire that all come to repentance. This does not mean that all do, it means that God does not wish for any to perish but some do and their end result is destruction...

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 

john832

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You make some good points. Sending people to hell doesn't sound like a very loving God. The whole "send people to hell doctrine" I think doesn't line up with God's character. There's a verse that says that Gods will is that none shall perish.

What I wanna know is what happens to non-believers who die? If sheol is the original word for death then would that mean that non-believers will simply cease to exist? Cuz Sheol also means grave right? Then there was a psalm where someone says how the dead don't think or reason or feel. So is that what happens to non-believers?
hmm...Well here's my question for you: do you obey God for fear of hell or because you love him? I have always struggled with the fear of hell and I think it has gotten in the way of my relationship with God because when I really really want to do a sin what usually stops me is, "don't do that or you know what will happen" and yeah...I know Jesus forgives but there are also verses about sinning intentionally. Like if you sin on purpose then you go to hell (or sheol) automatically.
Both...

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 

john832

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You make some good points. Sending people to hell doesn't sound like a very loving God. The whole "send people to hell doctrine" I think doesn't line up with God's character. There's a verse that says that Gods will is that none shall perish.

What I wanna know is what happens to non-believers who die? If sheol is the original word for death then would that mean that non-believers will simply cease to exist? Cuz Sheol also means grave right? Then there was a psalm where someone says how the dead don't think or reason or feel. So is that what happens to non-believers?
Let me introduce J Preston Eby and his explanation of Luke 16:
https://www.godfire.net/eby/abrahams.html
Here is a far more accurate rendering of Luke 16...

https://www.godfire.net/Lazarus_And_The_Rich_Man-Martin.htm
 

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waddya mean by "God is not slack"? (I have LD so sometimes I may ask you to clarify things that seem simple but are actually quite confusing to me)
I didnt mean anything by it because I didnt write the verse, I just copied it to you.

Slack means S-L-O-W


  1. to delay, be slow
    1. to render slowly, retard
    2. to be long, to tarry, loiter

I am not a teacher, but I can provide you links to online bibles various study tools dictionarys where you can get your hands dirty.

And that might help you more with your LD

It helped me grow out of my LD (as they seem to call it). I personally graduated with a 5th grade reading level and D- (after 4 years of summer school) but when it was important enough to me (even as it was to me to learn the words of God) I taught myself to read by the scriptures using a dictionary to the side of those.

I'm still a retard at math though.

Math and geography actually, Im just dumber then a door nail in those.

God bless
 
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Notice when people try to teach on Hell, they never elaborate on the greek words in the New Testament (Hades, Gehenna and Tarturus), where the pagan name Hel was tranlated upon?

For instance, Rev 20:14 And death and hades shall be cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death.

The second death is the death of death....until there is "no more death" Rev 21:4
 
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"For ever and ever" in greek is aion and aion - ages to ages - does not mean endless. When the fire is out, there shall be no more death - no more first or second death.

Next..
Except for the fact that the smoke of their torment ascends FOREVER before the throne of God.....Forever means exactly that...forever.....you really should lay of the small doses of hemlock and come around to reality.....!
 
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Except for the fact that the smoke of their torment ascends FOREVER before the throne of God.....Forever means exactly that...forever.....you really should lay of the small doses of hemlock and come around to reality.....!
You might want to look up the greek word for "forever" there - get back to us when you have discovered the truth.
 
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You might want to look up the greek word for "forever" there - get back to us when you have discovered the truth.
No offence, but out of all of the threads you have started I have yet to see a snippet of truth...so...like I told you in my first response to your foolishness....you should loose the wisdom of the Greeks and come on line with the truth!
 
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You might want to look up the greek word for "forever" there - get back to us when you have discovered the truth.

I suggest you study for ever and ever as ages of ages and the double emphasis = eternal!
 
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I suggest you study for ever and ever as ages of ages and the double emphasis = eternal!
Until you do your homework, you will have to deal with Revelation 21:5 Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW.

If you refuse to come in line, you are being an Anti-Christ = Anti-Word of God = Anti-Jesus Christ.

Next.:cool:
 
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Until you do your homework, you will have to deal with Revelation 21:5 Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW.

If you refuse to come in line, you are being an Anti-Christ = Anti-Word of God = Anti-Jesus Christ.

Next.:cool:
I suggest context as all things new refers to the heaven and the earth.....do you even read the bible or just flip a verse out of context and make invalid points?

And for another point that would be (come ON line) not come IN line...you should take your own advice
 
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I suggest context as all things new refers to the heaven and the earth.....do you even read the bible or just flip a verse out of context and make invalid points?

And for another point that would be (come ON line) not come IN line...you should take your own advice
Romans 11:36 For out of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things.

They will keep on coming and the smoke of your torment will continue to ascend up before the Throne of God who is omnipresent from aion to aion (ages to ages), until you repent from your rebelliousness to the Word of God.
 
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Romans 11:36 For out of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things.

They will keep on coming and the smoke of your torment will continue to ascend up before the Throne of God who is omnipresent from aion to aion (ages to ages), until you repent from your rebelliousness to the Word of God.
More flawed philosophy...so why trust Christ and change your life...live like you want...do what you want and cook for 30 seconds and change your mind....so is that what you are implying that those who go to the smoking pit of the lake of fire can change their mind, accept and then be brought out of the lake of fire?

Well, if that is what you are saying...let me just say that Walmart would not even carry that defective product!
 
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More flawed philosophy...so why trust Christ and change your life...live like you want...do what you want and cook for 30 seconds and change your mind....so is that what you are implying that those who go to the smoking pit of the lake of fire can change their mind, accept and then be brought out of the lake of fire?

Well, if that is what you are saying...let me just say that Walmart would not even carry that defective product!
And the hit's (pun intended) keep on coming-

Psalm 22:27
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the Lord,
And all the families of the nations s
hall worship before You.

When God says ALL, He means ALL.
 

john832

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Romans 11:36 For out of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things.

They will keep on coming and the smoke of your torment will continue to ascend up before the Throne of God who is omnipresent from aion to aion (ages to ages), until you repent from your rebelliousness to the Word of God.
More flawed philosophy...so why trust Christ and change your life...live like you want...do what you want and cook for 30 seconds and change your mind....so is that what you are implying that those who go to the smoking pit of the lake of fire can change their mind, accept and then be brought out of the lake of fire?

Well, if that is what you are saying...let me just say that Walmart would not even carry that defective product!
Gives a whole new meaning to the thread title. What a crock.