Heresy on Christianchat

[7seven7]

I justv thought I'd pop it in to lighten the atmosphere of the thread


But if we are talking about the one true church, show me a denomination that doesn't think they are it

Incidentally, I just call myself a Christian these days-trouble is, I 've been told I am creating a new denomination by doing that

Ok let me throw something in here. What do you think Christ meant when He wanted His people to be united? What do you think He meant when He told St. Peter that the gates of Hades will not prevail against His Church? Who do you think is enjoying all this seperation from Christ's Own Church? Why do you think that the Catholic Church is the ONLY CHURCH without multiple branches when the Protestants have hundreds (if not thousands now), the Orthodox have at least eleven i learned tonight and so on? "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." COME ON MAN!!! Does all this not say something to you? THE ONLY CHURCH THAT SATAN HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TWIST AND CHANGE FOR 2013 YEARS IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH! AND CHRIST HIMSELF PROMISED THAT EVIL WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT!!! Her teachings are true, Her tradition is traced back ALLLLLLLL the way to Christ, and even the early church fathers taught THE EXACT TEACHINGS She teaches today!!!! "She" being the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[7seven7]

Be that as it may according to the catholic church the "pope" is Jesus replacement on earth. I'm sorry my catholic brothers but no man can replace Jesus. The head of the Church Is Jesus and none other. I would point revelation the first and second chapters.

HAHAHAHAHA Who IN HELL told you that the Pope is Christ's replacement on Earth? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME BROTHER!!!! That is the biggest load of rubbish i have EVER heard in my life and it seems to be a very common arguement against the Catholic Chruch with ABSOLUTELY NO TRUTH IN IT!!!! THAT, my friend, is herecy!!!

 

[RickShafer]

Heresy is a strong term.
Many are at different stages of their development.
I'd hate to throw anyone out because what they said didn't measure up to my self appointed biblical standards.
Maybe they will learn?
Iron sharpens iron.
The only thing that gets to me is when people include personal attacks in their bible debating formula.
That, I am not cool with........

 

[mark54]

Ok let me throw something in here. What do you think Christ meant when He wanted His people to be united? What do you think He meant when He told St. Peter that the gates of Hades will not prevail against His Church? Who do you think is enjoying all this seperation from Christ's Own Church? Why do you think that the Catholic Church is the ONLY CHURCH without multiple branches when the Protestants have hundreds (if not thousands now), the Orthodox have at least eleven i learned tonight and so on? "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." COME ON MAN!!! Does all this not say something to you? THE ONLY CHURCH THAT SATAN HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TWIST AND CHANGE FOR 2013 YEARS IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH! AND CHRIST HIMSELF PROMISED THAT EVIL WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT!!! Her teachings are true, Her tradition is traced back ALLLLLLLL the way to Christ, and even the early church fathers taught THE EXACT TEACHINGS She teaches today!!!! "She" being the Roman Catholic Church.

I can only answer honestly, but our friendship means much more to me than our disagrerement here.
My overriding concern is the Gospel. Any church that preaches the Gospel of Grace fully from the pulpit, I would go to. And it would not bother me which denomination was preaching it. Forget the rapture, fillique, OSAS and a host of other subjects, for me that's the most important, and dwarfs many of the others into insignificance

So who is the true church? The one that preaches/teaches the Gospel message as plainly laid down in scripture
That to me cannot be based on the line of succession taken over 2,000 years, for doctrine changes, and I would say has done
The nt church were known as 'the way'. I have read they lived their lives in simple faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit, I have rarely heard that simple core message preached anywhere

I would like to leave it at that, and not get into more contentious issues with you

I believe we are both saved, and I was brought up in a church as far away from yours doctrinally as you can get
God Bless

 

[7seven7]

Heresy is a strong term.
Many are at different stages of their development.
I'd hate to throw anyone out because what they said didn't measure up to my self appointed biblical standards.
Maybe they will learn?
Iron sharpens iron.
The only thing that gets to me is when people include personal attacks in their bible debating formula.
That, I am not cool with........

Self appointed? seems the only ones with self appointed biblical standards in here are the ones mocking the Catholic Church! The biblical standards of the Catholic Church (which are the standards I go by after continuing study and enlightenment) are the same standards set by the Apostles and the early church fathers. EXACTLY THE SAME!! UNCHANGED FOR 2000 YEARS!! And to say that the Pope is the replacement of Christ IS heresy! (just to remind you, this is a practicing Catholic speaking)

 

[7seven7]

I can only answer honestly, but our friendship means much more to me than our disagrerement here.
My overriding concern is the Gospel. Any church that preaches the Gospel of Grace fully from the pulpit, I would go to. And it would not bother me which denomination was preaching it. Forget the rapture, fillique, OSAS and a host of other subjects, for me that's the most important, and dwarfs many of the others into insignificance

So who is the true church? The one that preaches/teaches the Gospel message as plainly laid down in scripture
That to me cannot be based on the line of succession taken over 2,000 years, for doctrine changes, and I would say has done
The nt church were known as 'the way'. I have read they lived their lives in simple faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit, I have rarely heard that simple core message preached anywhere

I would like to leave it at that, and not get into more contentious issues with you

I believe we are both saved, and I was brought up in a church as far away from yours doctrinally as you can get
God Bless

OK my brother! God bless you too. But i would just like to say, the doctrine of the Catholic Church has never changed. Peace!

 

[Kefa52]

what is the truth?

and if people are actually sharing the Word and Truth will people not be closer to finding the way to be "fixed"?

some of the truths people share i thoroughly reject as untruth.
and isn't it that way for us all?

so what goes so wrong? no agreement on orthodoxy i reckon.
so, logically - there can be no agreement on what constitutes heresy.

another thing that tends to be given too much weight regarding 'truth' is the click LIKE button.
ppl click like for reasons known only to them.

WHAT IS TRUTH?
That is a BIG question.

Jesus stated plainly that He had come into the world "to testify to the truth" (John

18:37). Exactly what did He mean by this, and how is this claim connected with

those other aspects of Jesus' mission – for example, forgiveness, salvation,

redemption, and healing – that we more naturally associate with the ultimate

purpose of His advent?

(Jesus identified Himself as "The Way, the Truth, and the Life" [John 14:6]. In other

words, He
is, as the Eternal Logos and the Incarnate Word of God, the Definition and

Embodiment of Ultimate Reality. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 states, "God chose you to be

saved through the sanctifying work of the spirit and the belief in truth." This scripture

reveals that salvation is a result of a person's belief in God's truth claims.)

3) How does one's concept of
truth affect or determine one's concept of faith?

(Genuine biblical faith has to have an
object. It cannot be simply "faith in faith." Our

faith is only as real and as strong as the
objective truth upon which it is based.

(Quoted from "The Truth Project, lesson one" Dr. Del Tackett)

 

[crossnote]

At the end of his first epistle St. Peter writes: "Your sister church in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you greetings; and so does my son mark" (1 Pet. 5:13). St. Peter used Babylon here as an early christian codeword for Rome.
St. John also uses the term Babylon in the book of Revelation six times in the same way:

"Then another angel, a second, followed, saying, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" (v. 14:8)

"The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. God remembered great Babylon and gave her the wine cup of the fury of His wrath" (v. 16:9)

"...and on her forehead was written a name, a mystery: Babylon the great, mother of whores and of earth's abominations" (v. 17:5)

" He called out with a mighty voice, Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great" (v. 18:2)

"... they will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, Alas, alas, the great city, Babylon, the mighty city! For in one hour your judgement has come" (v. 18:10)

" With such violence Babylon the great city will be thrown down, and will be found no more" (v. 18:21)

Babylon in the book of Revelation can only refer to Rome as it was the only "great city" in the time of Christ and the Apostles. Babylon proper in Mesopotamia had, by 100 AD, been reduced to insignificance. Other extra-biblical works also refer to Rome as Babylon, such as the Sybylline Oracles (5:159ff), the Apocalypse of Baruch (2:1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).

Guys, Christ prayed that His church would be united. The only Church in the world that has not got multiple branches is the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which can be traced right back to the time it was founded BY CHRIST through St. Peter, following his successors. This can't be argued. Maynard was right when he quoted that the gates of Hades will not prevail. It IS the only Church that has not been split, but has just had people leave (although many millions are coming back when they discover the fullness of Christ's truth in it). God bless!

That is inconclusive and shakey at best. Peter doesn't say 'here in Babylon'.

 

[crossnote]

7seven7 why don't you explain why your Church and the Eastern Orthodox become one. They make the same claims of being the 'one true church'as Rome does.

 

[crossnote]

OK my brother! God bless you too. But i would just like to say, the doctrine of the Catholic Church has never changed. Peace!

Is that the doctrine that has put many christans to martyrdom calling them heretics?

 

[Ariel82]

??? what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

wondering the same thing... you do realize you have successfully derailed the thread?

 

[mark54]

wondering the same thing... you do realize you have successfully derailed the thread?

He must be a heretic, he's domed

 

[Maynard]

In my youth I went to a Pentecostal church. They believed they were the only true church as they believed they followed what happened at Pentecost

Yeah, and so according to Pentecostal's then Christ waited 20 centuries to establish his Church on earth. Haha, that is laughable. Absolutely no merit to such a silly claim. Pentecostalism began in the 1900's, and was born out of the false teaching of a man claiming that Christ's return was imminent at the turn of the 20th century,, just another end-times movement is all. Talk about heresy. Just another one of many thousands of denominations- begun by man -which have sprung up since the heretical protestant splintering of the Christian faith since the 1500's.

Guess what the ministers favourite sermon was?
Attacking a certain denomination!

Yes, attacking the Catholic Church, of course. Nothing new about that. Been going on since the great falling away from the true Church which was established by our Lord Jesus. People commonly attack Christ's Church in order to justify their own heretical beliefs. Happens here every day.

I took a catholic friend once to the church, I had to smile at the converstaion that took place afterwards between him and one of the ministers. He decided not to go back!

Leading someone into falling away from the Church which Christ himself established 2000 years ago is nothing to smile about.

Peace

 

[mark54]

Yeah, and so according to Pentecostal's then Christ waited 20 centuries to establish his Church on earth. Haha, that is laughable. Absolutely no merit to such a silly claim. Pentecostalism began in the 1900's, and was born out of the false teaching of a man claiming that Christ's return was imminent at the turn of the 20th century,, just another end-times movement is all. Talk about heresy. Just another one of many thousands of denominations- begun by man -which have sprung up since the heretical protestant splintering of the Christian faith since the 1500's.

on another website a Christian lady remarked that the two denominations that find it hardest to accept the Grace Paul wrote of are Pentecostals and catholics, which was a remarkable statement to make as doctrinally they are poles apart. As you talk of the heretical Protestant splintering of the Christian faith, do I take it you believe all Protestants are heretics? If you do I find these websites fasscinating, for one Protestant has told me no practising catholic can go to Heaven/they cannot be saved, so at a swipe they condemned over a billion people. It appears neither side are reluctant to condemn the other doesn't it. You seem to have much in common with what may be termed right wing Protestantism.

Yes, attacking the Catholic Church, of course. Nothing new about that. Been going on since the great falling away from the true Church which was established by our Lord Jesus. People commonly attack Christ's Church in order to justify their own heretical beliefs. Happens here every day.

I see, so it is fine for you to attack Protestants, but if your denomination is attacked by Protestants you are up in arms, and play the victim!



Leading someone into falling away from the Church which Christ himself established 2000 years ago is nothing to smile about.

Peace

Well actually the man vas happy to go to the service, and I did not take him with any thoughht in mind of persuading him to leave the catholic church and joining the church I then worshipped at
But please, as you seem eager to attack Protestant denominations, I hardly think you are in a position to cry foul, if others them attack your own-something you will note i have not done BTW

 

[Ariel82]

He must be a heretic, he's domed

domed?

are you giving out hats now?

<my apologizes to the OP, will try to practice self control in the future>

 

[tdrew777]

I read a theology (by Charles Hodge) written in the 1800's - he lays out the theology of the Reformed (he calls it "Augustianian"), along with Lutheran, Arminian ("the remonstrants") and Roman Catholic. When talking to a Roman Catholic sister about theology I can't count the number of times she says, "oh, we don't believe THAT anymore". Wayne Grundem, in this century, when he lists orginal theological sources of various schools, lists "Traditional Roman Catholic" and "post Vatican II Roman Catholic" as seperate schools.

Ok let me throw something in here. What do you think Christ meant when He wanted His people to be united? What do you think He meant when He told St. Peter that the gates of Hades will not prevail against His Church? Who do you think is enjoying all this seperation from Christ's Own Church? Why do you think that the Catholic Church is the ONLY CHURCH without multiple branches when the Protestants have hundreds (if not thousands now), the Orthodox have at least eleven i learned tonight and so on? "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." COME ON MAN!!! Does all this not say something to you? THE ONLY CHURCH THAT SATAN HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TWIST AND CHANGE FOR 2013 YEARS IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH! AND CHRIST HIMSELF PROMISED THAT EVIL WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT!!! Her teachings are true, Her tradition is traced back ALLLLLLLL the way to Christ, and even the early church fathers taught THE EXACT TEACHINGS She teaches today!!!! "She" being the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[tdrew777]

wondering the same thing... you do realize you have successfully derailed the thread?

The thread is perfectly on track - now we get to PRACTICE what we talked about earlier!

 

[Bea22]

If you have the same revelation that Peter received from God, you would say what Peter said "Repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"

 

[7seven7]

7seven7 why don't you explain why your Church and the Eastern Orthodox become one. They make the same claims of being the 'one true church'as Rome does.

But they broke away from the Catholic Church, just like everyone else did. The difference between them and the rest is, they at least realized that the sacraments were true and important and kept them. But they broke away from the magesterium which began with Peter.

 

[7seven7]

If you have the same revelation that Peter received from God, you would say what Peter said "Repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit"

Have you ever been to a Catholic baptism? lol