Heresy

[Crypto]

Like I said, I know more Christians who apparently have NO rules than I do Christians with unbiblical ones.

Yeah, that's called licentiousness but they call it grace or liberty. Where as they call holiness legalism. Something is wrong with their dictionaries and knowledge of God and the Scriptures

 

[Crypto]

Im talking about the rules like
You can only wear this to church
We can only sing this music
You have to do this or that

Stupid things like that which i have left churces over.

Have you ever considered the problem could be you and not the church?

 

[forerunner]

Yeah, that's called licentiousness but they call it grace or liberty. Where as they call holiness legalism. Something is wrong with their dictionaries and knowledge of God and the Scriptures

Paul prophesied of such a day.

2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Shard]

Have you ever considered the problem could be you and not the church?

Not really because I dont believe i should have to conform to a church's opinion of apporpriate sunday clothing to be excepted into the congregation and not looked down upon. And im not going to go to a church where the music does nothing or is dead.

Hence why there are a variety of different types of churches available to choose from. I finally found one that is excepting of what i wear to church and plays music i enjoy. However there are plenty of other churchs that dont

And not playing the music isnt a problem, its when the music is deemed wrong. For examples at BJU, students are not allowed tolisten to secular music(understandable) however they also arent allowed to listen to contemporary christian music(really? thats kind of legalistic in my mind)

As far as clothes some churches think only a dress suit and tie is appropriate. I however, wear jeans and polo shirts. Im not buying a special ;outift' for church god doesnt care if i wear jeans and and a polo. Why do they

 

[forerunner]

Not really because I dont believe i should have to conform to a church's opinion of apporpriate sunday clothing to be excepted into the congregation and not looked down upon. And im not going to go to a church where the music does nothing or is dead.

Hence why there are a variety of different types of churches available to choose from. I finally found one that is excepting of what i wear to church and plays music i enjoy. However there are plenty of other churchs that dont

Church is not there for you to be entertained. It is for the assembling of the body to give worship to our God.

 

[Crypto]

Not really because I dont believe i should have to conform to a church's opinion of apporpriate sunday clothing to be excepted into the congregation and not looked down upon. And im not going to go to a church where the music does nothing or is dead.

Hence why there are a variety of different types of churches available to choose from. I finally found one that is excepting of what i wear to church and plays music i enjoy. However there are plenty of other churchs that dont

And not playing the music isnt a problem, its when the music is deemed wrong. For examples at BJU, students are not allowed tolisten to secular music(understandable) however they also arent allowed to listen to contemporary christian music(really? thats kind of legalistic in my mind)

As far as clothes some churches think only a dress suit and tie is appropriate. I however, wear jeans and polo shirts. Im not buying a special ;outift' for church god doesnt care if i wear jeans and and a polo. Why do they

If you were going to the white house to meet the president how would you dress?

And yes I am very aware of what BJU teaches regarding musical standards, and I think they are correct, but we've already been over that.

So you would weigh a churches quality by what you enjoy rather than truth? Interesting.

 

[Crypto]

Church is not there for you to be entertained. It is for the assembling of the body to give worship to our God.

Amen. Many seem to be misguided on that.

 

[zone]

for a shocking look at what's going on in the Name of Jesus, what happens when there is no fear of God:

The Museum of Idolatry
Artifacts of Apostasy

The Museum of Idolatry is the worlds largest collection of artifacts of apostasy. We have over 1500 exhibits and we're adding new exhibits regularly.
If this is your first time visiting please feel free to grab a beverage and take your time wandering through the museum. This site provides a front row seat for the Great Apostasy that is sweeping through the "Christian" Church.
Thanks again for visiting.
The Curator

 

[Shard]

Church is not there for you to be entertained. It is for the assembling of the body to give worship to our God.

Okay but whats wrong over picking music you enjoy to sing over songs you dont? In the end its still worship.

 

[Shard]

If you were going to the white house to meet the president how would you dress?

And yes I am very aware of what BJU teaches regarding musical standards, and I think they are correct, but we've already been over that.

So you would weigh a churches quality by what you enjoy rather than truth? Interesting.

I still wouldnt wear a suit and tie unless it said it was required. God doesnt require suits and ties though.

And as long as the sermon has truth i think you would be hardpressed to classify the music one way or another.

 

[Crypto]

I still wouldnt wear a suit and tie unless it said it was required. God doesnt require suits and ties though.

And as long as the sermon has truth i think you would be hardpressed to classify the music one way or another.

Wow that is really sad. I see that as just a lack of respect.

 

[Shard]

how is it a lack of respect? God cares more whats in your heart than on your shoulders

 

[Crypto]

how is it a lack of respect? God cares more whats in your heart than on your shoulders

And what is on our shoulders is an evidence on what out heart is. What we do, how we act, what we say etc is all an outflow of our hearts and evidence of our faith and respect to God. Most people with any sense of respect wouldn't wear jeans and a t-shirt to see the president, but they don't think it is wrong or disrespectful to wear those sort of things to worship on Sunday. It's not about what we wear, it's about the attitude that represents what we wear. The Jews brought their best to sacrifice, not just whatever they had laying around. Our attitude should be that and MORE.

 

[zone]

for a shocking look at what's going on in the Name of Jesus, what happens when there is no fear of God:

The Museum of Idolatry
Artifacts of Apostasy

The Museum of Idolatry is the worlds largest collection of artifacts of apostasy. We have over 1500 exhibits and we're adding new exhibits regularly.
If this is your first time visiting please feel free to grab a beverage and take your time wandering through the museum. This site provides a front row seat for the Great Apostasy that is sweeping through the "Christian" Church.
Thanks again for visiting.
The Curator

if you go to the Museum of Idolatry and come upon this video on the Presbyterian Assembly opening...

Scary Puppet Processional at PCUSA General Assembly

Opening Worship Processional for the 219th General Assembly PCUSA

...compare it to videos on YouTube of Halloween "services" at the demonic/Theosphical St John The Divine Cathedral (original address 666 Rockefeller Plaza, changed to 777), headquarters of Lucis Trust/front "church" for the UN. there's no difference.

 

[sandstorm7]

I agree with Shard regarding church attire. In my opinion formal attire isn't necessary for church. I mean, that's not the reason we're there right? It also makes church newcomers feel uncomfortable to have other church members looking down on them for their lack of formal clothing and I think churches should make an effort to be welcoming to all those who seek. As long as you still look nice and respectable, I see nothing wrong with jeans and nice top.

As for the worship music, I have a slightly varying opinion. As a new Christian, I've spent the entire summer looking for the right church for me. I found one I absolutely LOVED. The music was upbeat, contemporary, and uplifting and everyone in the church was so on fire and passionate for God, it was awesome. But after a few services, I began to realize that worship was really the primary focus of the service. Although truthful, the sermons were not as meaningful and challenging as I needed. So I found another church that is rooted in the bible and has amazing, challenging, and convicting sermons. Although the music is more traditional, I feel that the CONTENT is what is most important. So I chose to go to this church instead.

 

[Crypto]

I agree with Shard regarding church attire. In my opinion formal attire isn't necessary for church. I mean, that's not the reason we're there right? It also makes church newcomers feel uncomfortable to have other church members looking down on them for their lack of formal clothing and I think churches should make an effort to be welcoming to all those who seek. As long as you still look nice and respectable, I see nothing wrong with jeans and nice top.

As for the worship music, I have a slightly varying opinion. As a new Christian, I've spent the entire summer looking for the right church for me. I found one I absolutely LOVED. The music was upbeat, contemporary, and uplifting and everyone in the church was so on fire and passionate for God, it was awesome. But after a few services, I began to realize that worship was really the primary focus of the service. Although truthful, the sermons were not as meaningful and challenging as I need. So I found another church that is rooted in the bible and has amazing, challenging, and convicting sermons. Although the music is more traditional, I feel that the CONTENT is what is most important. So I chose to go to this church instead.

See my last post for my reply to the first half of your post here.

 

[forerunner]

I agree with Shard regarding church attire. In my opinion formal attire isn't necessary for church. I mean, that's not the reason we're there right? It also makes church newcomers feel uncomfortable to have other church members looking down on them for their lack of formal clothing and I think churches should make an effort to be welcoming to all those who seek. As long as you still look nice and respectable, I see nothing wrong with jeans and nice top.

Actually I too, think that one does not need to wear formal attire to go to church, and that it could make new comers a little unsettled if they were not dressed exactly right. However I think shards problem are much deeper than what he is or is not willing to wear.

As for the worship music, I have a slightly varying opinion. As a new Christian, I've spent the entire summer looking for the right church for me. I found one I absolutely LOVED. The music was upbeat, contemporary, and uplifting and everyone in the church was so on fire and passionate for God, it was awesome. But after a few services, I began to realize that worship was really the primary focus of the service. Although truthful, the sermons were not as meaningful and challenging as I needed. So I found another church that is rooted in the bible and has amazing, challenging, and convicting sermons. Although the music is more traditional, I feel that the CONTENT is what is most important. So I chose to go to this church instead.

I totally agree.

 

[Crypto]

Actually I too, think that one does not need to wear formal attire to go to church, and that it could make new comers a little unsettled if they were not dressed exactly right. However I think shards problem are much deeper than what he is or is not willing to wear.

I think that it's a heart issue not a clothing issue among many.

 

[sandstorm7]

And what is on our shoulders is an evidence on what out heart is.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that. Are you saying that you would never see someone with incredible faith and an amazing love for God wear jeans to a service? What you wear says nothing about where your heart is. Just look respectable.

 

[zone]

And what is on our shoulders is an evidence on what out heart is. What we do, how we act, what we say etc is all an outflow of our hearts and evidence of our faith and respect to God. Most people with any sense of respect wouldn't wear jeans and a t-shirt to see the president, but they don't think it is wrong or disrespectful to wear those sort of things to worship on Sunday. It's not about what we wear, it's about the attitude that represents what we wear. The Jews brought their best to sacrifice, not just whatever they had laying around. Our attitude should be that and MORE.

well said.
i like that you added that it's not about what we wear - many people, including myself are very poor, but though our clothes be threadbare and our shoes be worn, we need to present ourselves appropriately. i like your remark: "Our attitude should be that and MORE."

i just wish i could find a church that wasn't pulling stunts or offering funky doctrine and the like. i live on an island and the choices are few.

sigh.