Hidden treasure and pearl: what matters?

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The pearl of great price is the Church (all those redeemed through Christ) and the great price that was paid was His death (the one great sacrifice for sins) and the blood that He shed for our redemption. Those who have been saved are the purchased possession of God and Christ. The same interpretation applies to the treasure that was hidden in a field.
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I would offer another perspective. .

I think finding the pearl, is finding the faith of Christ by which we can believe the Spirit of Christ that dwell in the body of believers.
He or his word is the pearl of great price the gospel .

It cost him putting his own life in jeopardy for us. Not in respect the church but her husband Christ. The unseen will of our father in heaven hidden in the parables or proverbs. Spoken of as hidden Manna in Revelation 2 The word manna literally meaning. "What is it?". Pearl in color taste like the sweet honey of the word like the gate we enter into fellowship.

Revelation 21:21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Exodus 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Emphasizing the color of pearl

Numbers 11:7 And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium.

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I would offer another perspective. .

I think finding the pearl, is finding the faith of Christ by which we can believe the Spirit of Christ that dwell in the body of believers.
He or his word is the pearl of great price the gospel .

It cost him putting his own life in jeopardy for us. Not in respect the church but her husband Christ. The unseen will of our father in heaven hidden in the parables or proverbs. Spoken of as hidden Manna in Revelation 2 The word manna literally meaning. "What is it?". Pearl in color taste like the sweet honey of the word like the gate we enter into fellowship.

Revelation 21:21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Exodus 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Emphasizing the color of pearl

Numbers 11:7 And the manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium.
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Convolution upon convolution! In the parable, the buyer sold everything he had to purchase the pearl. In your version, the seller sold everything so the buyer could obtain the pearl. That just doesn't follow at all.

The other references to pearl are irrelevant.
 
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Christt couldn't buy anything with his blood he had not yet shed.

The parable says in the present tense: "the kingdom of heaven is..."

The treasure is the word about the kingdom but not in general terms but precisely as it is written in the parable which is the treasure.
 
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what truly matters is the hidden 'treasures' stored-up for us from God,
(and what we choose to do with them). - all else would be 'worldly choices,
thus showing us that we will truly 'reap what we sow''...
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I perfectly agree.
 
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Pearls are used to describe the source of the faith Christ needed to hear God. Among other metaphors used in parables. Wheat, corn, bread butter, milk honey . . . etc

The gates by which we enter into fellowship that describe the bride of Christ in Revelation 21 are typified as pearls . It represent the Hidden Manna in Revelation 2. Pearl is color of manna . Manna which means with no other meaning added ."What is it?" Taste like honey . As a way of knowing the word of God is not of ourselves. No familiarity as if God was a man as us to begin with .Even his own family world not exercise faith and believe. But as many as did to them he gave the power to become new creatures.
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Christ is the manna coming from heaven that we never die, as Jesus said.
The pit of the knowledge of god is very deep and to get water from it we need the Christ and a rod which is some questions about the word of Christ as happened at the Samaritan pit.
 
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Convolution upon convolution! In the parable, the buyer sold everything he had to purchase the pearl. In your version, the seller sold everything so the buyer could obtain the pearl. That just doesn't follow at all.

The other references to pearl are irrelevant.
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Hi Thanks for the reply

yes it does not follow after the philosophies of men

Confusion upon confusion..

We are to buy His spiritual truth and not sell it as if it was ours . Sell all the worldly understanding we do have.

Christ is the pearl of great cost of salvation , Cost him the wages of our sin all the references are relevant. The color pearl represents the hidden thing of God call faith the righteousness of God that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure. . the hidden understanding in parables. You just do not receive the spiritual understanding seeing no value in the things not seen .

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
 
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It's rather telling that you make reference to colour and the things not seen in the same paragraph, and you assert that I don't receive understanding.

This has nothing to do with the philosophies of men. It has everything to do with the meaning of the parable. The parable as you described it is nonsensical.
 
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The two parables are similar but not equal.

The treasure-digger sold everything, but he probably had almost nothing.
The merchant had much to sell.

Jesus after saying: "take care of how you listen" tells the two stories and we must take care how we listen.
The kingdom of god is revealed to us through the word of god by Jesus.

why did Jesus give the two parable?

After verse 43 "who has hears listen"

We received the treasure of the word by Jesus and make huge sacrifices to get a hold of it, even to the point of selling or rejecting all things we believed until then.
 
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As there are different opinions

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Propose to analyze MATTHEW 14:44 that says: "the kingdom of the heavens is like a treasure hidden in,the field, which a man found and hid; and for the joy he has he goes and sells what things he has and buys that field"
 
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Methodologically

I take the parable as it is, with very obvious implications, and leave linkages and considerations later.

A treasure hidden in the field is almost useless unless somebody finds it.

There was no effort to search for treasures.

As I said at the beginning of this thread even a collected treasure has litte value for life and well being.

A man found it and hid it.

It is dangerous to hide the treasure near the place where you found it.

Probably it was hidden under a carpet at home or in a field you know is for sale.

The man (hired peasant) goes and takes action and sells what things he has (it doesn't say "all things" and buys the field.
 
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It's rather telling that you make reference to colour and the things not seen in the same paragraph, and you assert that I don't receive understanding.

This has nothing to do with the philosophies of men. It has everything to do with the meaning of the parable. The parable as you described it is nonsensical.
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Well if you do not mix faith in what you see or hear why would a person expect it to make the sense of God as he hides the unseen understanding in parables?

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

He has assigned meaning to all of His words as a perfect law including the use of color . The color pearl has a meaning assigned. It has to do with entering a relationship by the work of another faith lovingly drawing the toward him .The faith of Christ who works in those who hear his words of light searching as for the pearl of great price.... Christ.

Not the church. Its not about searching for a church .it will find it self. No such things a non denomination .it is just another kind.

Manna (what is it?) It is used to represent no familiarity with God (no faith from us) described by that color that introduces to a person a relationship with the Father. . It is described as tasting as honey a description of the tasting of the word of God. Its called hidden manna in Revelation 2 .Again to emphases finding the pearl as the understanding of God by selling the philosophies of men

Gates again for entering in, in Revelation 21 are that which represent the entering in the the family of as His v bride the church or used of the same color .

He is a Pearl of a Savior .He informs us not to cast his understanding toward those who have no faith as unbelievers, using dogs as unclean animal to represent unbelief.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 
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Well if you do not mix faith in what you see or hear why would a person expect it to make the sense of God as he hides the unseen understanding in parables?

Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

He has assigned meaning to all of His words as a perfect law including the use of color . The color pearl has a meaning assigned. It has to do with entering a relationship by the work of another faith lovingly drawing the toward him .The faith of Christ who works in those who hear his words of light searching as for the pearl of great price.... Christ.

Not the church. Its not about searching for a church .it will find it self. No such things a non denomination .it is just another kind.

Manna (what is it?) It is used to represent no familiarity with God (no faith from us) described by that color that introduces to a person a relationship with the Father. . It is described as tasting as honey a description of the tasting of the word of God. Its called hidden manna in Revelation 2 .Again to emphases finding the pearl as the understanding of God by selling the philosophies of men

Gates again for entering in, in Revelation 21 are that which represent the entering in the the family of as His v bride the church or used of the same color .

He is a Pearl of a Savior .He informs us not to cast his understanding toward those who have no faith as unbelievers, using dogs as unclean animal to represent unbelief.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
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More complete irrelevance.
 
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I take the parable as it is, with very obvious implications, and leave linkages and considerations later.

A treasure hidden in the field is almost useless unless somebody finds it.

It would seem he was searching but not for what. There was no effort to seek after a pearl . (no ocean possibly left from the flood.Maybe searching for rocks? He could of been plowing the field . Its a parable we continue searching it out... what does it tell us what does the pearl represent? How would it apply to us and our understanding??

A man found it and hid it.

It is dangerous to hide the treasure near the place where you found it.
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He found it in his new heart. Sold the preconceived faithless notions

Probably it was hidden under a carpet at home or in a field you know is for sale.

The man (hired peasant) goes and takes action and sells what things he has (it doesn't say "all things" and buys the field.
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Kind of reminds me of another parable in John 4 using the woman by the well where Jesus related to her the understanding of water of the word, us husbands are to wash their wives with just as he washes us His bride, the church. The born again living abiding water (symbolizing spirit) that gives us a new spirit that will never die the gospel , The disciples were confused when they left and became more confused when they thought he was suffering from not eating.

Then they went out of the city, and came unto him. In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his workSay not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. John4:30- 35

The servant in the parable you offered; "The man (hired peasant) goes and takes action and sells what things he has (it doesn't say "all things" and buys the field".

If we compare its understanding to the spiritual understanding in John 4 it would seem to take the gospel, the pearl of good price and be used of God. Doing the food of will of him unseen. God having prepared many hearts white already to harvest sent the man out with his new tongue the treasure in our new hearts the gospel in a hope to make disciples workers of the field for Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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More no mixing faith. Your'e it brother.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with me "mixing faith" or not. Objectively wrong is still objectively wrong, and faith has nothing to do with it. You are objectively wrong in your interpretation of the parable of the pearl. You have assigned meanings to the components that simply don't make sense. There is no "hidden meaning" in an erroneous interpretation.

It's unfortunate that you have taken a single statement about Jesus' ministry and applied it to the entirety of Scripture. Jesus did not say, "All of Scripture is parables with hidden meanings." Rather, Scripture says, "Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable." He spoke to the crowd in parables, so that "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand." The crowd that He is talking about is made up of unredeemed, unsaved Jews, not Christians. Don't confuse them!

Think about this for a moment: when Jesus was speaking just to the disciples, He explained certain parables. If all of Scripture were parables, then Jesus would be speaking in a parable when He explained the parable. That's silly, yet that is what you seem to believe. Further, you use the word "parable" when speaking of historical narrative; they are two distinct kinds of literature. You then assert that there are hidden meanings in the historical narratives.

I assure you, the problem is not that I am "not mixing faith" but that you are mixing in error. Just read the text for what it is, and when the Scripture itself tells you that it is a parable, then it is a parable. Otherwise, it isn't.
 
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Something hidden in the field you can find it by doing some kind of work, not by chance.
 
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It is a parable, we continue searching things out.

I say that's the point.
 
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The merchant was looking for excellent pearls and found one of great value.
 
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It's found in a new heart, and he sells his past ideas.

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I am inclined to agree for the fact that unworthy fishes are thrown away but this is far fetched interpretation.
 
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