History of The Old and New Covenants: A Lesson in the Law and Grace.
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Oh come on junior, you had no clue about the standards I mentioned before we busted you. Stop this right now, you are just looking more and more foolish.
Also, you are wrong, no small group Bible Study would be allowed to operate in the manner you suggest.
Now what state did you topple a 700 member AOG Church in kid? Be truthful, all this will be verified anyway.
Also, you are wrong, no small group Bible Study would be allowed to operate in the manner you suggest.
Now what state did you topple a 700 member AOG Church in kid? Be truthful, all this will be verified anyway.
If it were not so I would have told you. I have nothing to gain by lying. You accuse me lying, I answer your claims. You don't like my answers. So, just call me a liar and false teacher. Well, you haven't backed up your claims of me being a false teacher because either you don't know enough scripture to have such a conversation or you are much to arrogant to think for a single moment maybe you could be wrong. So, we are stuck with your accusation of me being a liar, now with an accusation you must have some idea as to a motive for a lie to be told. Any ideas? What motive would I possibly have(or anyone have) to come onto a forum site post an argument with scripture for theological discussion, not lead with these alleged lies, but for some mysterious and mind boggling reason frivolously throw around false claims that had no mention in the original posting?
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Easy out son, give us the name of the 700 member AOG church and state AOG conference they are in. Your theology is not what I am after, I am after your made up lie that you schooled a 30 year AOG Pastor with a MDIV into thinking he should return to the law and out you both walked arm in arm with 300 saints, singing onward Christian Soldiers.
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I gotta say I agree preacher,I mean I'm 25 and still perhaps not preacher or teacher material as far as church wise,in fact it was only around the age of 20 that I started believing "Truly upon God and Jesus's dieing for our sins as well as salvation(wasn't clearly told about salvation until I was around 20)
you don't just start teaching or preaching in a church at such a young age,even my brother though knowledgeable is still in the works to be a deacon being 2 years younger than me,you don't just up and start teaching or preaching in a church unless the spirit is apart of said decision or one has had years of learning the bible as well as trusting upon God,20 years is very unlikely an age that one has learned enough of God's word to speak of it in a church or otherwise,I mean sure somethings you can learn by that age and teach to others a fare few things,but a sermon or teaching any congregation,I don't see that happening so soon,not ruling it out altogether but very unlikely.
you don't just start teaching or preaching in a church at such a young age,even my brother though knowledgeable is still in the works to be a deacon being 2 years younger than me,you don't just up and start teaching or preaching in a church unless the spirit is apart of said decision or one has had years of learning the bible as well as trusting upon God,20 years is very unlikely an age that one has learned enough of God's word to speak of it in a church or otherwise,I mean sure somethings you can learn by that age and teach to others a fare few things,but a sermon or teaching any congregation,I don't see that happening so soon,not ruling it out altogether but very unlikely.
Hi redeemed2015, you preach a very confusing gospel. I reckon you are a Jewish, Ordained Christian Pastor being that you refer to Jesus as "Yeshua". And personally, I've been to a Church fellowship as small as 10 members and regular attendee's and 75 member's, but I alway thought of a large Church as being around 3 to 6 thousand attendee's for Sunday Morning Sevice.
But then I'm not familiar with AOG nor the area where you live.
But then I'm not familiar with AOG nor the area where you live.
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A New Covenant where GOD writes His Law on our heart and put in our mind.
The New Testament of Yahshua Son of GOD teaches us to Love GOD and each other.
The Just shall live by Faith.
Now I hope you are sharing the Good News, the Everlasting Gospel the New and Better wine and not suggesting we reach for the OLD?
The Messiah gave His Testament and the 10 Commandments are to be Kept and taught. We keep them through the New Holy Spirit we receive by Grace through Faith. We Repent and believe and grow in Grace and knowledge of Christ to walk as He walked In our newness.. to be obedient children of GOD through Faith.
That written in stone killed us but through the Messiah we are set free at liberty to Love GOD and each other.. and no law is broken when Love is the power.. for it is the power of GOD who loves us given to those who Believe Him.
I take this young man at His Word unless someone can prove him a liar, please do not accuse him because you disagree with him.. quite different to politely state your rejection than to accuse him like this.
The New Testament of Yahshua Son of GOD teaches us to Love GOD and each other.
The Just shall live by Faith.
Now I hope you are sharing the Good News, the Everlasting Gospel the New and Better wine and not suggesting we reach for the OLD?
The Messiah gave His Testament and the 10 Commandments are to be Kept and taught. We keep them through the New Holy Spirit we receive by Grace through Faith. We Repent and believe and grow in Grace and knowledge of Christ to walk as He walked In our newness.. to be obedient children of GOD through Faith.
That written in stone killed us but through the Messiah we are set free at liberty to Love GOD and each other.. and no law is broken when Love is the power.. for it is the power of GOD who loves us given to those who Believe Him.
I take this young man at His Word unless someone can prove him a liar, please do not accuse him because you disagree with him.. quite different to politely state your rejection than to accuse him like this.
I’m glad you recognize that we must all study for ourselves, and leave a false doctrine that doesn’t match the Bible. Saul (Paul) was well learned, and at first thought he was worshipping the correct way. But he changed as his understanding changed. Yes, we must all study for ourselves and act accordingly.
Having said that, I disagree with some statements you made. But before I get into that, I agree that we all have freewill to think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions. We must all have an open mind to consider what someone has to say, yet go by only biblical truth (not personal preference) as we know it, while respecting others rights to do the same. Keeping in mind the many false churches that have branched off of the one church that Christ started- means that the likelyhood of being raised in a false doctrine is very high.
God says to rightly divide the Word. According to my understanding through my studies, this means that what is in the Old Testament stays in the Old Testament, and what’s in the New Testament stays in the New Testament. The difference (to me) is that in the Old Testament God’s laws were obeyed physically, and God’s people were so by physical means, and that in the New Testament God’s laws are obeyed spiritually, and God’s people are so by spiritual means.
In John chapter one Jesus came to His own people, but they would not receive Him, so God switched to adoption. Now all must be born of God not by a husband’s will (not by physical means) but by spiritual means (baptism). In Romans 11 it talks about how gentiles are grafted into the vine, and how Israelites can be grafted back into their own vine. They must get baptized into Christ, just like the rest of us, in order to be God’s people once again- for God disowned them when they accepted not His one and only Son.
The Bible says that if you follow a law that you must follow all of that law. The law of Moses includes taking adulterers outside the city and stoning them to death, paying for certain things with certain animals instead of money, having a high priest sacrifice on behalf of your sins (which would be hard to find one over 2017 years old)- which would mean that you would have to undermine Christ’s sacrifice and authority- for you cannot have two ‘husbands’ at the same time- that is commiting religious adultery (Romans 7:1-4). The first authority has to die in order to ‘marry’ another. No, Christ has all authority over God’s people today (Matthew 28:18)- that leaves no authority for even Moses.
Having said that, I disagree with some statements you made. But before I get into that, I agree that we all have freewill to think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions. We must all have an open mind to consider what someone has to say, yet go by only biblical truth (not personal preference) as we know it, while respecting others rights to do the same. Keeping in mind the many false churches that have branched off of the one church that Christ started- means that the likelyhood of being raised in a false doctrine is very high.
God says to rightly divide the Word. According to my understanding through my studies, this means that what is in the Old Testament stays in the Old Testament, and what’s in the New Testament stays in the New Testament. The difference (to me) is that in the Old Testament God’s laws were obeyed physically, and God’s people were so by physical means, and that in the New Testament God’s laws are obeyed spiritually, and God’s people are so by spiritual means.
In John chapter one Jesus came to His own people, but they would not receive Him, so God switched to adoption. Now all must be born of God not by a husband’s will (not by physical means) but by spiritual means (baptism). In Romans 11 it talks about how gentiles are grafted into the vine, and how Israelites can be grafted back into their own vine. They must get baptized into Christ, just like the rest of us, in order to be God’s people once again- for God disowned them when they accepted not His one and only Son.
The Bible says that if you follow a law that you must follow all of that law. The law of Moses includes taking adulterers outside the city and stoning them to death, paying for certain things with certain animals instead of money, having a high priest sacrifice on behalf of your sins (which would be hard to find one over 2017 years old)- which would mean that you would have to undermine Christ’s sacrifice and authority- for you cannot have two ‘husbands’ at the same time- that is commiting religious adultery (Romans 7:1-4). The first authority has to die in order to ‘marry’ another. No, Christ has all authority over God’s people today (Matthew 28:18)- that leaves no authority for even Moses.
I do not know why I have such a bad attitude towards people who use the word Yeshua over Jesus.
I do not mind it at all if the people are actually hebrews, but 99% of the times they are just part of the "hebrew roots" torah observant movement and pretending to be Jews while they cannot even order a coffee in hebrew.
I think my attitude being so sour stems from the fact that the New Testament was written in greek and there are NO MANUSCRIPTS where Jesus' name is written "Yeshua". It is always Iesous, so appeareantly Paul Peter and the rest of the Apostles did not mind using a greek name. If the Apostles did not use a hebrew name, why should I? I am not hebrew.
Nonetheless, I apologize and I am sorry for having a condescending and bad attitude towards all the sincere believers who just prefer the hebrew name Yeshua. I realize you are out there, sometimes I just get defensive because I assume you are part of the 'hebrew roots' works of the law movement.
I do not mind it at all if the people are actually hebrews, but 99% of the times they are just part of the "hebrew roots" torah observant movement and pretending to be Jews while they cannot even order a coffee in hebrew.
I think my attitude being so sour stems from the fact that the New Testament was written in greek and there are NO MANUSCRIPTS where Jesus' name is written "Yeshua". It is always Iesous, so appeareantly Paul Peter and the rest of the Apostles did not mind using a greek name. If the Apostles did not use a hebrew name, why should I? I am not hebrew.
Nonetheless, I apologize and I am sorry for having a condescending and bad attitude towards all the sincere believers who just prefer the hebrew name Yeshua. I realize you are out there, sometimes I just get defensive because I assume you are part of the 'hebrew roots' works of the law movement.
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looks like u got saluted by a demolition already u see..... bam bam. these guys know their stuff!
i think u are wrong to say that if we dont keep the dietary laws or ot feasts that we are sinning u see....... this would be said in the nt if it were so u see.......
my friendly advice u see is, get rooted in ur doctrine before u start teaching others. dig ur heels deep. i have learned so much from reading the bible cover to cover and i also read a book on systematic theology and listening to the brothers here on the forums. im only now getting rooted in my doctrine and not getting blown away by every wind of doctrine.. i got tricked a lot in my faith life but not anymore.
i think u are wrong to say that if we dont keep the dietary laws or ot feasts that we are sinning u see....... this would be said in the nt if it were so u see.......
my friendly advice u see is, get rooted in ur doctrine before u start teaching others. dig ur heels deep. i have learned so much from reading the bible cover to cover and i also read a book on systematic theology and listening to the brothers here on the forums. im only now getting rooted in my doctrine and not getting blown away by every wind of doctrine.. i got tricked a lot in my faith life but not anymore.