History of The Old and New Covenants: A Lesson in the Law and Grace.

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TruthTalk

TruthTalk

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Bogadile said:
I do not know why I have such a bad attitude towards people who use the word Yeshua over Jesus.
I do not mind it at all if the people are actually hebrews, but 99% of the times they are just part of the "hebrew roots" torah observant movement and pretending to be Jews while they cannot even order a coffee in hebrew.

I think my attitude being so sour stems from the fact that the New Testament was written in greek and there are NO MANUSCRIPTS where Jesus' name is written "Yeshua". It is always Iesous, so appeareantly Paul Peter and the rest of the Apostles did not mind using a greek name. If the Apostles did not use a hebrew name, why should I? I am not hebrew.

Nonetheless, I apologize and I am sorry for having a condescending and bad attitude towards all the sincere believers who just prefer the hebrew name Yeshua. I realize you are out there, sometimes I just get defensive because I assume you are part of the 'hebrew roots' works of the law movement.
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Hi Bogadile, my best friend is both Christian and Jewish. We have been friends and worked together for 35yrs so that I trust what he say's; "I should stay away from the Hebrew Root's movement and that some new Jewish believer's, (not all), put their Jewish roots in front of their Christianity." My wife is Thai and they call Jesus, "Yesu" however Thai's leave their past religious belief's behind and embrace Jesus with their whole heart.

"Can you say coffee in Hebrew" :) good point, neither can I.
 
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bluto said:
Ok redeemed, you are completely misunderstanding the point that marc is making. The same Apostle Paul that you quoting from Romans is the same Paul who said the following at Galatians 3 starting at vs23, "But before faith came we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. vs24, Therefore the Law has become our tutor TO LEAD US TO CHRIST, that we may be justified by faith. vs25, But now that faith has come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE TUTOR. vs26, For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,"

In other words, keeping the law will not save anyone. This "DOES NOT MEAN" the ten commandments are not to be obeyed. It means that we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ and not justified by keeping the law. The law is what leads us to Christ, hence the word "tutor." Even the Old Testament saints were not justified by keeping the law or even the ten commandments. I highly suggest you read the "Faith" chapter which is Hebrews 11.

I also suggest you read Romans 4 (the whole chapter) where Paul says Abraham was justified by faith because he believed God and it was recokoned to him as righteousness. Now, getting back to your LOOOOONG post which I did not read all of it, what point are you trying to make? You sound a little angry to me or perhaps a little discouraged, why? I also see your all of 20 years old, I have a bunion older that you. You should be rejoicing in Christ and bringing others to Him thereby making disciples. Finally, don't take what I'm saying as a "put down" or even personal, live every moment to the fullest. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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You're not understanding what law was done away with, it was the law of sacrifice, that's what Paul was talking about. Throughout the scriptures it says to keep my commandments, Jhn 14:15 if you love me keep my commandments, if you want to live keep my commandments, the commandment of TMH is pure, enlightening the eyes Psa 19:8 meaning if you don't keep his commandments, you can't understand His Word.

Proverbs 6:23 KJV - 23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 19:16 KJV - He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.

John 12:50 KJV And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Proverbs 7:2 KJV - Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

1 John 2:3 KJV - And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

There is not one law or commandments in affect today that we can't keep. The only law that is done way with is anything having to give blood whether it be your own or an animal.
 
trofimus

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TrueHebrew3 said:
There is not one law or commandments in affect today that we can't keep. The only law that is done way with is anything having to give blood whether it be your own or an animal.
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So are you stoning homosexuals or burning witches? I think its obvious there are really many law commandments we do not keep today and they also cannot be practically kept, if you do not want to end in a prison.
 
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TrueHebrew3 said:
You're not understanding what law was done away with, it was the law of sacrifice, that's what Paul was talking about. Throughout the scriptures it says to keep my commandments, Jhn 14:15 if you love me keep my commandments, if you want to live keep my commandments, the commandment of TMH is pure, enlightening the eyes Psa 19:8 meaning if you don't keep his commandments, you can't understand His Word.

Proverbs 6:23 KJV - 23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 19:16 KJV - He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.

John 12:50 KJV And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Proverbs 7:2 KJV - Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

1 John 2:3 KJV - And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

There is not one law or commandments in affect today that we can't keep. The only law that is done way with is anything having to give blood whether it be your own or an animal.
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on your profile's spiritual status it says "unsure"........
 
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Are those things that you speak of, are you not giving your blood, whether it be by Stoning or burning. Wow
 
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And where is the problem, I know that I am the perculiar treasure that he speaks of throughout His word.
 
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TrueHebrew3 said:
You're not understanding what law was done away with, it was the law of sacrifice, that's what Paul was talking about. Throughout the scriptures it says to keep my commandments, Jhn 14:15 if you love me keep my commandments, if you want to live keep my commandments, the commandment of TMH is pure, enlightening the eyes Psa 19:8 meaning if you don't keep his commandments, you can't understand His Word.

Proverbs 6:23 KJV - 23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 19:16 KJV - He that keepeth the commandment keepeth his own soul; but he that despiseth his ways shall die.

John 12:50 KJV And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Proverbs 7:2 KJV - Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

1 John 2:3 KJV - And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

There is not one law or commandments in affect today that we can't keep. The only law that is done way with is anything having to give blood whether it be your own or an animal.
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I don't disagree with what you said especially in light of Hebrews 10. And I did say this: "In other words, keeping the law will not save anyone. This "DOES NOT MEAN" the ten commandments are not to be obeyed." :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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That's exactly what gives you everlasting life
Matt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. These are the word of the Son YAHAWASHI
 
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