Holy and sanctified?

Blain · Sep 12, 2014

Well in all honesty I believe what I believe but that doesnt necessarily make me right this is merely what I have come to understand. I believe that some of the things in Old were taken away in the new and its possible that the sabbath and fasting were not for the gentiles but in the end if I am right or wrong about the sabbath doesnt really matter to me as I am far more concerned about my walk with God.

See God has a way of telling me things, and he doesnt hesitate to let me know if I am doing something wrong or if i need to change something(sometimes I wish he would lol) But as far as the sabbath goes he hasnt said anything to me yet about that, if he wants me to keep the sabbath I will but it has to come from him not someone else. Just as if I am to fast I need God himself to tell me, If i am to be baptized I need God himself to tell me, if the rapture truly is about to happen I need God himself to tell me.

He has been my teacher my entire faith, everything I know he taught me everything or at least most of what I believe he taught me. I never had anyone to teach me about being a Christian so I went directly to the best teacher there is-him

LEPIDUS · Sep 12, 2014

ThomistColin said:

I don't think you know what this is talking about. Paul wrote this after Christs cruxificion, so it cannot be talking about shadows of his cruxificion, we are still waiting for something to come. This is not talking about commandments being nailed to the cross this is talking about our sins being nailed to the cross.

LEPIDUS · Sep 13, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

And to be exact the record of our sins nailed to the cross.

RedTent · Sep 13, 2014

Blain said:

I would just love a sit down visit with you to talk about scripture.

Over the years, I found that some of the things I absolutely "knew" for sure was not sure after I studied some more. It shook me up pretty bad when I realized that. It has made me very cautious about being sure I have many scriptures about any one subject. I spend time just listening, just being filled with the Lord, but before I sit in communion with Him, I always read scripture to have this in my mind. Frankly, I don't trust myself to know what the Holy Spirit tells me without scripture to back it up. I use the search feature on e-Sword a lot, it is better than my old concordance for searching all of what scripture says about any one thing.

Kaycie · Sep 13, 2014

For those who lived under old testament law and are not under new testament law- yes.

LEPIDUS · Sep 13, 2014

Kaycie said:

What is NT law?

Kaycie · Sep 13, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

New Testament law is the doctrine of Christ and Christ only- not the prophets and laws of old. (Matthew 28:18, Matthew 17:1-5, Romans 7:1-4, Hebrews 10:16, Hebrews 8:13).

LEPIDUS · Sep 13, 2014

Kaycie said:

Matthew 28:

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

This is not talking about doing away with The Commandments or The Sabbath for that matter. If you read more in context it makes sense. Read the following two verses.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

In fact it says go to all nations and teach all nations to OBSERVE ALL THINGS I HAVE COMMANDED. Towards the end I'll post what he commanded.

Matthew 17:
7 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.” 5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”

Nope, again not talking about laws old or new. Only reinforces us to listen to Christ, to do what he commands.

You said Romans 7:1-4, now read the rest.

Romans 7:
5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. 7 What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Hebrews 10:
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

I've addressed this numerous times in other threads, and this was something that was in the OT.

You said Hebrews 8:13 now read the previous verses.

Hebrews 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8 For he finds fault with them when he says:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”

You can read the following thread post #1 particularly [h=1]Old Covenant New Covenant.[/h]
this "new" covenant is not so new I did another thread about that but I think the following will answer this too.

It's a copy and paste from another post I made.

[h=2]

Re: May enter in through the gates.[/h]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

If i tell you, will you believe the Truth? The Question is What are His Commandments, false doctrine teaches His commandments are the ten commandments. However Scriptures teaches us plainly what His Commandments are:

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment, (Pay attention here, Scriptures is about to plainly tell us what HIS COMMANDMENTS are) That we should (1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and (2) love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

OK, so by this you are saying that Gods commandments are 1 believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ and 2 love one another, as Christ gave us commandment. And if we keep these commandments we dwell in Christ, and Christ in us, and God abideth in us by the Spirit he gave us.

OK, so I wanted to establish what you are saying with this verse. Am I correct is this what you are saying?

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Now the Question is whether to believe the teaching from men who teach they are the ten commandments or the believe the Word of God which PLAINLY tells us what His Commandments are.

Obey OLd Testament?

It is so easy to use three verses, take it out of context and establish a new commandment, sad, but true.

Lets address your assertion.

Lets establish one thing first.

1 John 2:

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

So from NT scripture we can see that there is no new commandment given but an old commandment that has been heard since the beginning. Where do you find them, you might ask ?

Leviticus 19:15-18
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge , nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

We can see it was previously commanded.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged .
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
OK, we can see that it is not a new commandment, it was first given to the house of Israel because the gospel had not been spoken to the gentiles, and when it came to the gentiles, the commandment didnt change it was already there.

Like just-me stated God checks to see if we love him, this is one example:

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass , whereof he spake unto thee, saying , Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known , and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Again from NT we can see no new commandment was given.

1 John 4

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

and then it goes on to say what you try to use as a new and only commandment we art to follow. I don't think you know why he gave those commandments. I will show you towards the end.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Again he give the same commandment but in a different phrase

1John 4:
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1John 5
2By this we know that we love the children of God (others), when we love God, and keep his commandments.

So this is saying we know when we love our neighbors, when we LOVE GOD AND KEEP GODSCOMMANDMENTS.

1John 5
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

LOL and then it goes on to finish the last chapter of that book by encouraging to keep ourself from idols, one of The Ten Commandments.

1 John 5
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

And again in NT no new commandment

2 John 1:
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

So the commandment he is giving is that we walk after The Commandments given from the beginning.

The following is advice

2 John 1:
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.He thatabideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

So I think we need to ask this question again, " What is Gods commandments?"

From scripture I have established that we believe in his son name to be able to believe what Christ said, which was to walk in the commandments heard since the beginning.

earlier I said I would tell you why he said that.

Matthew 22:

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If we don't love God with all our mind, heart and soul we wont keep the commandments that have to do with him which are four.

If we don't love our neighbors like ourselves we wont keep the commandments that have to do with other which are the last 6.

So tell me again, what are the commandments God wants us to keep?

Obey ONLY the NT?

The commandments of Christ was to magnify The Ten Commandments.

WomanLovesTX · Sep 20, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

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