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Homosexuals/Adulterers/Fornicators ?
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God hates every and all forms of sexual immorality, and tells us that the sexually immoral cannot enter His kingdom.
Homosexuality is no different than having sex before marriage, or even doing sexually immoral things when a man and a woman are married. God hates all of it, and says He will not accept those who will not repent.
It isnt hatred towards gays like the world will tell you, they do that in order to justify doing it. For some reason, our world has decided that as long as someone hates you for it, its then totally acceptable and cannot be helped. But its not actually about being gay, its about practicing sexual immorality, and what it will lead to in the end.
Homosexuality is no different than having sex before marriage, or even doing sexually immoral things when a man and a woman are married. God hates all of it, and says He will not accept those who will not repent.
It isnt hatred towards gays like the world will tell you, they do that in order to justify doing it. For some reason, our world has decided that as long as someone hates you for it, its then totally acceptable and cannot be helped. But its not actually about being gay, its about practicing sexual immorality, and what it will lead to in the end.
There might be a difference between degree of sin. A person who fornicates has gone a lot farther astray than someone who has merely looked lustfully on another person. As much as I complain about homosexuality, I don't see how homosexual acts are any worse than comparable heterosexual adulterous acts.
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I don't think anyone in the Christian community thats put a lot of effort into the walk thinks that homosexual acts are somehow worse than premarital sex. They are both considered sinful. No one really has a political issue with us saying premarital sex is sinful though. People prefer to frame it as we single out homosexuality, when in reality the majority of us look at both of them as equally sinful. Same thing with adultery.
I also think that looking on someone with lust is still sinful but maybe a lesser degree than actually acting on it. I would consider that to be equally true whether it is a homosexual thought or heterosexual thought. Most people fighting the good fight are going to repent right away no matter which way it goes.
I also think that looking on someone with lust is still sinful but maybe a lesser degree than actually acting on it. I would consider that to be equally true whether it is a homosexual thought or heterosexual thought. Most people fighting the good fight are going to repent right away no matter which way it goes.
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It's nothing to do with scaring people IMO. It's just you can't remain close with the Lord and continue in sin. We have all sinned, probably thousands of times each. I've probably picked myself up and repented a thousand times and backslid another thousand times. All you can do is fight it. Flesh vs Spirit = difficulty. No matter how clean you have been or for how long, it's never easy. Jesus is all about Love, but due to that Love.....no one wants to continue in sin indiscriminately.
Christ tells us Himself to leave our lives of sin.
If sin leads to death, shouldnt we talk among each other about the dangers of it, and help each other keep focused on Him, instead of wandering into our own evil desires? Its a good thing to talk about these things, especially living in a world that pushes HARD to make everyone question His word.
If sin leads to death, shouldnt we talk among each other about the dangers of it, and help each other keep focused on Him, instead of wandering into our own evil desires? Its a good thing to talk about these things, especially living in a world that pushes HARD to make everyone question His word.
A huge error many people believe is truth is to lump all sins into one category, simply "bad behavior/thinking".
A casual reading of the Bible reveals categories of sin, from abominations all the way down to "transgressions. A man walking across a legally posted property is transgressing another's rights, but isn't engaging in a more serious sin of stealing from the property.
God gave Israel the lands of other tribes because: Leviticus 20:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
An example of what God absolutely will not accept without total and immediate repentance before letting current residents be ejected from the land?
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
The New Covenant difference is such sinners having opportunity to have their eyes opened to recognize what God hates, then repent of their sin, and never become entangled in it again. Of course unbelievers can't overcome sin, so that's not what I'm talking about. If they refuse, while claiming to be Christians, they are liars before God, compounding their awful sin. 1 John 1:5-10 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Still confused, uncertain?
1 John 2:3-6 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected:
hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
There is no value in making up modern justifications for sins we all know really are wrong behavior. That only leads deceivers to deceive others. Taking God's word literally, and to heart, never deceives anyone.
Those of you promoting any sexual sin as relatively insignificant are deceivers. False teachers draw a certain ire from the Lord in this life and the next.
A casual reading of the Bible reveals categories of sin, from abominations all the way down to "transgressions. A man walking across a legally posted property is transgressing another's rights, but isn't engaging in a more serious sin of stealing from the property.
God gave Israel the lands of other tribes because: Leviticus 20:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
An example of what God absolutely will not accept without total and immediate repentance before letting current residents be ejected from the land?
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
The New Covenant difference is such sinners having opportunity to have their eyes opened to recognize what God hates, then repent of their sin, and never become entangled in it again. Of course unbelievers can't overcome sin, so that's not what I'm talking about. If they refuse, while claiming to be Christians, they are liars before God, compounding their awful sin. 1 John 1:5-10 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Still confused, uncertain?
1 John 2:3-6 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected:
hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
There is no value in making up modern justifications for sins we all know really are wrong behavior. That only leads deceivers to deceive others. Taking God's word literally, and to heart, never deceives anyone.
Those of you promoting any sexual sin as relatively insignificant are deceivers. False teachers draw a certain ire from the Lord in this life and the next.
1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For all that is in the world, the
lust of the flesh, and the
lust of the eyes, and the
pride of life,
is not of the Father, but is of the world.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Loving what God hates is the topic there. Does a man love a man enough to want sex with him? If Christ is in him, he ought to demonstrate his love by repenting of all sexual activity with that man or any other. The same goes for adulterers and fornicators. Prove you have the love of Christ in you. If he refuses, then the Father has nothing to do with either partner, and will let their eyes remain blinded to deception, perhaps even having a powerless form of religion without the help of God in it, having only a certain fearful expectation of the Judgment.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For all that is in the world, the
lust of the flesh, and the
lust of the eyes, and the
pride of life,
is not of the Father, but is of the world.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Loving what God hates is the topic there. Does a man love a man enough to want sex with him? If Christ is in him, he ought to demonstrate his love by repenting of all sexual activity with that man or any other. The same goes for adulterers and fornicators. Prove you have the love of Christ in you. If he refuses, then the Father has nothing to do with either partner, and will let their eyes remain blinded to deception, perhaps even having a powerless form of religion without the help of God in it, having only a certain fearful expectation of the Judgment.
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Roman Catholicism categorizes sins into venial and mortal. Of course the Bible makes no such designation. As a sort of over-reaction many protestants say "all sin is sin" as if God doesn't delineate one sin from another. But in John 19:11 speaking to Pilate Jesus says "...he who delivered you to me has the greater sin." (NASB) In fact the word order in Greek places some emphasis on the "greater" literally "greater sin he has". At least in this text, Jesus most assuredly does say some sin is greater than another. (See also 1 John 5:16 et al).
In the Old Testament God says some sins are "abominations". Homosexuality is the only sin for which God selectively and utterly destroys cites for a specific sin. Of course the New Testament also has much to say on homosexuality as well.
Of course all sin is sin in that it separates man from God, merits eternity in the lake of fire and was paid for by Christ on the cross who offers forgiveness to all who believe in His Person and work. But it seems to be unbiblical to put all sin on an equal plane, for Scripture does not.
In the Old Testament God says some sins are "abominations". Homosexuality is the only sin for which God selectively and utterly destroys cites for a specific sin. Of course the New Testament also has much to say on homosexuality as well.
Of course all sin is sin in that it separates man from God, merits eternity in the lake of fire and was paid for by Christ on the cross who offers forgiveness to all who believe in His Person and work. But it seems to be unbiblical to put all sin on an equal plane, for Scripture does not.
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It's not a matter of lumping sins into one category, its obviously worse to murder someone just because you felt like it at the time vs. Stealing a loaf of bread because your hungry. How is saying that God does not like sexual sin period lumping different things into the same category? It also says whoremongers will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. We all want to inherit the kingdom of heaven, is whoremongering going to somehow get you more in than homosexual acts? Repentance (a literal turning away from) is the remedy in both cases.
How does an individual judging one as worse than the other increase understanding here? And how is there any justification going on here? I don't see anyone justfying homosexuality or premarital sex.
How does an individual judging one as worse than the other increase understanding here? And how is there any justification going on here? I don't see anyone justfying homosexuality or premarital sex.
