Honoring the Sabbath

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Blik

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#41
You put a day up there with God. It isn't 'God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Sabbath'.

You refuse the scriptures and to be reasoned with.

If you keep on insisting that we are to observe special days, then the scriptures say you are a bitter root and if anyone believe you, you have defiled them.
This is almost funny! Because you deny scripture you say I am not accepting===what? Your denial? Do you think that the bible contains scripture? Can you believe scripture? I've read your posts so i know the answer. I wish we could discuss scripture and God, but I see it is not possible. I'll put you on ignore.
 

glf1

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We should, each of us, be fully persuaded in our own minds. The one who keeps the Sabbath, keeps it unto the Lord and the one for whom every day is the same, does so before the Lord. So that whether we keep the Sabbath or not, we are the Lord's and answer only to him. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

When we were born of the Spirit, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we became living, moving, walking around temples of the living God. As holy as the Holy Spirit is holy who is with us and in us always and forever. By the Spirit who indwells us, something holier than the Sabbath is here. In Christ, every day is as a Sabbath; to rest in Christ's love and devote ourselves to the Lord's presence, to lift up Jesus to the lost, and to minister the Spirit and life, and forgiveness to the faithful.

The Sabbath is always a good day to do good. Like visiting the widow and the orphan in the midst of their trouble and helping in the time of need. From the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, the Lord's name is to be praised.
PTL!
 

mailmandan

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Sabbath, which is Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset, is the 4th commandment. Do you honor the Sabbath? What happens if you break it? How do you recover if you sin by doing some work on the Sabbath?
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on the Church in the New Testament.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (NASB)

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath day, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
 

posthuman

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#44
if sacrifices of blood day after day, year after year were never able to to truly accomplish purification from sin, is ceasing from earthly work for one day, week after week, ever able to truly accomplish rest for our souls?
 

posthuman

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#45
The temple is not destroyed, we are to learn all that the temple on earth was symbolic of for we are now the temple. It is not destroyed, it is changed. The rituals were given as a guidance to man to obey the law. Circumcision was symbolic of many things, those things are not destroyed because we have the Holy Spirit to guide us, we are to learn all about what the fleshly circumcision did and represented because it is NOT destroyed, we are to have this very exact ceremony without needing the fleshly part. In the very same way the sacrificial system was NOT destroyed, that system was the symbolic shedding of the blood of Christ for the payment for our sin and we are to learn all about it so we know about Christ, Christ is our sacrifice. Because the killing of the symbolic blood is not required it does not mean that God destroyed what it stood for.
so you're saying, all these things that were physically manifested and observed, have ceased in their physical manifestation, to become spiritual?
 

Blik

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#46
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on the Church in the New Testament.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (NASB)

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath day, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
Have you concluded that the NT is scripture but the OT is not from God?
 

mailmandan

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Have you concluded that the NT is scripture but the OT is not from God?
Of course not. Have you concluded that the New Covenant is simply the Old Covenant re-packaged?
 

Blik

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#48
so you're saying, all these things that were physically manifested and observed, have ceased in their physical manifestation, to become spiritual?
I feel sure there is such a connection between the physical and spiritual in our world that neither can be separated from the other. God uses physical symbols to explain the spiritual truths. Our bodies are solid physical bodies, these physical bodies are temples for the spirit. Both have realness. If we physically sin we do spiritual damage, we are to see the connection.
 

p_rehbein

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#49
I do my very best to honor God............if I come close to achieving that, I figure the rest will follow..........
 

Blik

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Of course not. Have you concluded that the New Covenant is simply the Old Covenant re-packaged?
i go by scripture not by my conclusions. In scripture God gave an old covenant, it is a good covenant, it is of God. In scripture we are told that another covenant is added because that covenant was not good enough, the new covenant is something new, it is added, it is better. That is scripture, not some decision some man has made.
 

mailmandan

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If you can quote Jesus as saying He didn't come to abolish law but fulfill, how can you then preach that He abolished the Sabbath that was established on the seventh day of creation?
The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

*Now if every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath never found in the book of Genesis? *Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? *Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? :unsure:

*Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. *Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
 

mailmandan

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#52
i go by scripture not by my conclusions. In scripture God gave an old covenant, it is a good covenant, it is of God. In scripture we are told that another covenant is added because that covenant was not good enough, the new covenant is something new, it is added, it is better. That is scripture, not some decision some man has made.
Hebrews 8:13 - In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 

gb9

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#53
i go by scripture not by my conclusions. In scripture God gave an old covenant, it is a good covenant, it is of God. In scripture we are told that another covenant is added because that covenant was not good enough, the new covenant is something new, it is added, it is better. That is scripture, not some decision some man has made.
the last few verses of Leviticus 26, God speaks of the covenant that He made with the fathers of the children of Israel that came out of Egypt.

so, unless you can trace your ancestry back to those who crossed the red sea, then that covenant was not for you.
and that covenant included the Sabbath.
 

stonesoffire

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#54
I do my very best to honor God............if I come close to achieving that, I figure the rest will follow..........
If you believe what He has done for you and rest your very best efforts into His work alone p_rehbein, you will please Him.

Am wondering if this problem that many of us has in misunderstanding the very foundation of the gospel, may be the working out of our salvation?

Am going to pursue. Might be a rabbit trail. May not.
 

tourist

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#55
Sabbath, which is Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset, is the 4th commandment. Do you honor the Sabbath? What happens if you break it? How do you recover if you sin by doing some work on the Sabbath?
The fourth commandment is the only one that has the word "Remember' in it so I take that to mean that it is still in effect. I have worked Saturday for the last 2 years but hope to rearrange my work schedule so that I can attend weekly church services with my wife. I really don't consider it sin by working on the Sabbath, especially so as to provide for your family. I would not say that I honor the Sabbath but I do respect it. I do believe that God will bless you by keeping that one day of the week holy but I really have no idea how that relates in a practical sense in ordinary day to day living.. Instead of wondering what happens if I break it I prefer to focus on loving my neighbor as myself.
 

Lanolin

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#56
Sabbath, which is Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset, is the 4th commandment. Do you honor the Sabbath? What happens if you break it? How do you recover if you sin by doing some work on the Sabbath?
You take a sabbatical...
Or at the end of 50 years you meant to have a jubilee.

If you work too hard and dont rest your body you end up having a heart attack or nervous breakdown.
 

YourTruthGod

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This is almost funny! Because you deny scripture you say I am not accepting===what? Your denial? Do you think that the bible contains scripture? Can you believe scripture? I've read your posts so i know the answer. I wish we could discuss scripture and God, but I see it is not possible. I'll put you on ignore.
Let's talk about the scriptures I gave.
 

YourTruthGod

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We should, each of us, be fully persuaded in our own minds. The one who keeps the Sabbath, keeps it unto the Lord and the one for whom every day is the same, does so before the Lord. So that whether we keep the Sabbath or not, we are the Lord's and answer only to him. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Most who believe in keeping the Sabbath are those who claim it is what God wants. That is where they err.

When we were born of the Spirit, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we became living, moving, walking around temples of the living God. As holy as the Holy Spirit is holy who is with us and in us always and forever. By the Spirit who indwells us, something holier than the Sabbath is here. In Christ, every day is as a Sabbath; to rest in Christ's love and devote ourselves to the Lord's presence, to lift up Jesus to the lost, and to minister the Spirit and life, and forgiveness to the faithful.
That is right. What you said right there proves that the observance of special days means nothing in regards to our salvation.
The Sabbath is always a good day to do good. Like visiting the widow and the orphan in the midst of their trouble and helping in the time of need. From the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, the Lord's name is to be praised.
PTL!
It is good to do right every day.
Observance of special days is now worthless.
Those who insist God wants us to observe the Sabbath, they are a bitter root and can defile many.

Hebrews 12:15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.
 

YourTruthGod

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i go by scripture not by my conclusions. In scripture God gave an old covenant, it is a good covenant, it is of God. In scripture we are told that another covenant is added because that covenant was not good enough, the new covenant is something new, it is added, it is better. That is scripture, not some decision some man has made.
The New Covenant is NOT "added". The New Covenant makes the Old Covenant obsolete.
 

Blik

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The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

*Now if every man from Adam to Moses kept the Sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath never found in the book of Genesis? *Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the Sabbath? *Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the Sabbath before Moses? :unsure:

*Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath, but were instructed regarding: offerings: Genesis 4:3-4, Altars Genesis 8:20, Priests: Genesis 14:18, Tithes: Genesis 14:20, Circumcision: Genesis 17:10, Marriage: Genesis 2:24 and Genesis 34:9. *Why would God leave out the Sabbath command in Genesis if it was for everyone to keep before Moses?

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future Sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the Sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.
The Lord gave you a mind and God expects you to use it. God explained how the seventh day was to be used, I don't think God decided that in 6,000 years you would come along and decide His description wasn't adequate, you wanted God to label it with the correct label also.

All your complaining about the inadequacy of how God's instruction to us in scripture will have to be taken up with God, not this posting. Before you came along it has been perfectly clear to almost everyone else.